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Pavel Buchnevich said:
You don’t have to argue anything with me. Put me on ignore, if you like, but your argument was ridiculous (giving the wrong height, claiming he scored against the wrong international teams, claiming he plays for the best NCAA team but not stating that they aren’t a dominant offensive team). I push back on comments I feel are unfair. I feel the need to give a more fair perspective to the situation. Everyone can judge for themselves where the truth stands.
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1. Oh no, I rounded down instead of rounding up on height. What a crime.

2. Here's his WJC game log:
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He scored all of one point in four games against actually good teams.

3. Even with BC's schedule being soooooo much harder than other NCAA teams, he's tied for 35th in NCAA scoring. Previous top-3 picks that played NCAA in their draft seasons were Hobey Baker candidates. Hagens won't sniff that. He's being outscored by 25 future cooks and cleaners. Not a good look if you ask me.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Brother, I watch plenty of BC games, I literally pay for ESPN+ so I can watch NCAA hockey. I understand that NCAA scoring is down this year. I am not making this assessment purely on point totals.

If you want to keep pretending that Hagens is the best player in this draft and there's a Canadian conspiracy against him (even though I am American and I ALSO don't care for Martone), do what makes you happy. As an American a fan of a team who is most likely to be drafting third overall this summer, I desperately want Hagens to show out and prove he's the best player in this draft (or at least second best). That's why I'm so ticked that he hasn't. If I was rooting against him or wanted him to fail, I wouldn't be so upset that he hasn't met my expectations.

I'm so sick of this argument with you, especially when you bring nothing to the table outside of conspiracy theories and 'cooks and cleaners' rhetoric.
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There is a reason for the rhetoric though; it's largely grounded in truth. The 2025 quality of the CHL is way worse than the perceived quality. If Hagens was playing the CHL and absolutely destroying it, which would obviously be the case, would he be any better of a prospect? Of course not, but I have a feeling his stock would be higher than it is currently, where he is seen as "slipping."
 
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For me, based on team

San Jose: Schaefer. Pretty obvious. They get the best defence prospect since Dahlin to pair with perhaps the best forward to enter the league since McDavid.

Chicago: Martone. Would unlock Bédard’s full potential by giving him a player elite in tight space and dirty areas to play with.

Nashville: Schaefer. Barry Trotz builds his teams from the blue line out, and he will not be able to resist a player of Schaefer’s abilities.

Buffalo: Hagens. Buffalo get a two way centre they need to shore up their top 6 and take difficult assignment away from the more skilled players.

Seattle: Schaefer. Ron Francis built the Hurricanes from the blue line out, and a defender as transcendent as Schaefer will fit perfectly amongst a group of solid but unspectacular in Seattle.

Anaheim: Misa. Martin Madden fils doesn’t shy away from boom or bust picks, and Misa’s elite dynamism in transition fits perfectly with the less dynamic if perhaps more reliable centres in McTavish and Carlsson.

Philadelphia: Schaefer. A perfect compliment to a young core in Philadelphia that lacks a true 1D, a coach like John Tortorella would be able to replicate what he has in Columbus with Jones and Werenski playing heavy minutes.

Pittsburgh: Schaefer. Their prospect pool is awful and has holes everywhere, so BPA makes sense here, Schaefer helps ease Pittsburgh into the post Crosby era
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Okay again, he’s 5’11. This is documented by now. It’s willful to call him shorter than he’s being listed at.
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Don’t think an inch matters much
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Canada refuses to relent. Their hockey prowess is declining, but they want the first pick every year. They control the institutions. It’s their choice.
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declining?
Bob McKenzie has 7 in the top 10 and 19 in the first round. Wouldn’t call that declining.

Most experts have Schaefer first. The odd one will still have Hagens but most have Schaefer. I would rather have Hagens over Misa though personally but I’ll take Schaefer over Hagens. Martone worst of the 4 but biggest and the only winger so some team may value him more if that is what they need. We always hear in Chicago about how Bedard has no help- well get the damn guy a good RW with size, skill, strength, speed etc. not that Martone is the best of the 4 but a team like Chicago may lean Martone since all 4 are so close regardless of how much you love Hagens that’s the reality- they’re all pretty close. Nobody is that much better than the other.

Mathieukferland said:
For me, based on team

San Jose: Schaefer. Pretty obvious. They get the best defence prospect since Dahlin to pair with perhaps the best forward to enter the league since McDavid.

Chicago: Martone. Would unlock Bédard’s full potential by giving him a player elite in tight space and dirty areas to play with.

Nashville: Schaefer. Barry Trotz builds his teams from the blue line out, and he will not be able to resist a player of Schaefer’s abilities.

Buffalo: Hagens. Buffalo get a two way centre they need to shore up their top 6 and take difficult assignment away from the more skilled players.

Seattle: Schaefer. Ron Francis built the Hurricanes from the blue line out, and a defender as transcendent as Schaefer will fit perfectly amongst a group of solid but unspectacular in Seattle.

Anaheim: Misa. Martin Madden fils doesn’t shy away from boom or bust picks, and Misa’s elite dynamism in transition fits perfectly with the less dynamic if perhaps more reliable centres in McTavish and Carlsson.

Philadelphia: Schaefer. A perfect compliment to a young core in Philadelphia that lacks a true 1D, a coach like John Tortorella would be able to replicate what he has in Columbus with Jones and Werenski playing heavy minutes.

Pittsburgh: Schaefer. Their prospect pool is awful and has holes everywhere, so BPA makes sense here, Schaefer helps ease Pittsburgh into the post Crosby era
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Thanks for actually making a list like myself. Wish more would do the same thing rather then debating the different leagues lol
 
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Kingpin794 said:
In the Hagens thread you mention a 2 assist game that he had against Umass Lowell and their grand total of...zero NHL prospects.
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Umass Lowell is ranked 10th in the country. They are far from a pushover.

Here is the rank of the teams BC have played this season:

2
2
NR
4
NR
NR
5
5
11
7
NR
NR
NR
11
10
10
NR
NR
NR
7
7
8
8
10
NR
NR

BC has played top 11 teams in the country 15 of their 26 games. Denver, for instance, has played top 11 teams in the country 4 of their 28 games.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Umass Lowell is ranked 10th in the country. They are far from a pushover.

Here is the rank of the teams BC have played this season:

2
2
NR
4
NR
NR
5
5
11
7
NR
NR
NR
11
10
10
NR
NR
NR
7
7
8
8
10
NR
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BC has played top 11 teams in the country 15 of their 26 games. Denver, for instance, has played top 11 teams in the country 4 of their 28 games.
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Glad you missed my point.
 
frontsfan67 said:
Don’t think an inch matters much

declining?
Bob McKenzie has 7 in the top 10 and 19 in the first round. Wouldn’t call that declining.

Most experts have Schaefer first. The odd one will still have Hagens but most have Schaefer. I would rather have Hagens over Misa though personally but I’ll take Schaefer over Hagens. Martone worst of the 4 but biggest and the only winger so some team may value him more if that is what they need. We always hear in Chicago about how Bedard has no help- well get the damn guy a good RW with size, skill, strength, speed etc. not that Martone is the best of the 4 but a team like Chicago may lean Martone since all 4 are so close regardless of how much you love Hagens that’s the reality- they’re all pretty close. Nobody is that much better than the other.
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You're literally making my point. Bob McKenzie, the messenger of the NHL decision-makers, declared 7 of the top 10 and 19 Canadian in the first round. This is what we are being told will happen. His lists are not the opinion of an influential and well respected scout. They are the briefing from the NHL decision makers about what will occur. The trend from the people who control the institutions (the overwhelming majority of which are Canadians) is that they want more Canadians in these spots, despite less and less success. It does not matter that other nations perform better relative to their draft slot.

The "experts" have declared Schaefer will be the highest ranked player. It doesn't have to make sense (it quite frankly makes virtually no sense as he has the thinnest resume of the 3 OHL players). That's not the point. If someone is to buck the trend and not pick the anointed Canadian for that slot, they will have to be brave like the Habs in 2022. Most years, teams are not brave. The anointed Canadian goes first every year nowadays. They've already anointed a player for 2026 and 2027. We are probably looking at the 1OA being Canadian 7 of 8 years and we already have multiple cases you can fairly judge the draft results where it looks like the anointed Canadian 1OA was not the best player.

Kingpin794 said:
Glad you missed my point.
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I didn't miss your point. How can you be the 10th best NCAA team and have 0 NHL prospects?
 
Fyodorov said:
There is a reason for the rhetoric though; it's largely grounded in truth. The 2025 quality of the CHL is way worse than the perceived quality. If Hagens was playing the CHL and absolutely destroying it, which would obviously be the case, would he be any better of a prospect? Of course not, but I have a feeling his stock would be higher than it is currently, where he is seen as "slipping."
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You're missing the part where I have watched probably 50% of Hagens' games this season and have yet to come away thinking that he deserves to be ranked 1st overall. I know the OHL sucks, I'm not trying to compare production apples to apples. I know BC isn't the highest scoring team in the nation. I'm trying to state that 1) watching Hagens play hockey, he does not have the talent of recent first overall picks and I'm having a hard time seeing traits that project him as a true #1C in the NHL, and 2) Hagens does not compare favorably to recent NCAA draft eligible seasons.
 
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frontsfan67 said:
With the season ticking down and there still being 4 top contenders for the 1st overall spot I made a list of the bottom 8 teams as of today Feb 9th, 2025 and what I believe they’d be picking if they landed 1OA today. If you would change things- feel free to voice what you would change.


Chicago prob leans winger- nobody really too great. Nazar prob the best W/C in the system right now and Bedard needs a running mate BAD.


San Jose probably defence with their strong forward group of young guys (add musty maybe next year too) so Schaefer.


A team like Philly a centre for sure to play alongside michkov and just lost Gauthier who was their #1C prospect before. prob picks Hagens/Misa


Buffalo definitely a C/W with all their young d. So any of the top 4 with the exception of Schaefer (D)


Nashville BPA. Prob Schaefer


Seattle either W OR D so Martone/Schaefer definitely not a C with Beniers, Wright, Catton


Pittsburgh BPA so very likely Schaefer. Penguins even had a practice with Erie and I think part of it was scouting Schaefer. No real strong game changing d in their system


St Louis BPA. Prob Schaefer
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I don’t think any team leans any way at 1 OA. You take the best player there every time.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
This is laughable. He has no argument for being picked ahead because your preferred player (that you think fits your team better) is scoring more in a much worse league? If only Hagens got to play against a bunch of cooks and cleaners in the OHL you’d see how laughable your statement really is.

Hagens has outperformed the three OHL’ers in every international setting over the years. Unfortunately he doesn’t get to play in these 10-7 games, so some people get fooled.
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There are 222 NHL draft picks that have played in the NCAA this season. 14 of them are first round picks.

There are 87 NHL drafted picks in the OHL this season. 16 of them are first round picks.

Average Amount Of NHL Draft Picks Per Team

NCAA: 3.47
OHL: 4.35

Average Amount Of First Round NHL Draft Picks Per Team

NCAA: 0.22
OHL: 0.80

Stop with the cooks and cleaners nonsense. Also the NHL is a higher-scoring league than some European pro leagues. Does that make the European pro leagues better than the NHL?
 
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Chicago would take Schaefer 1st overall if he’s BPA (which imo he is)

You don’t draft for need at 1. If Schaefer projects as an elite 1D you take him without hesitation.

You can find bedard help via trade and FA.

Also count me in as someone who’s been underwhelmed with Hagens.

For me It’s Schaefer/Misa ** small gap** Hagens Martone.
 
Mathieukferland said:
For me, based on team

San Jose: Schaefer. Pretty obvious. They get the best defence prospect since Dahlin to pair with perhaps the best forward to enter the league since McDavid.

Chicago: Martone. Would unlock Bédard’s full potential by giving him a player elite in tight space and dirty areas to play with.

Nashville: Schaefer. Barry Trotz builds his teams from the blue line out, and he will not be able to resist a player of Schaefer’s abilities.

Buffalo: Hagens. Buffalo get a two way centre they need to shore up their top 6 and take difficult assignment away from the more skilled players.

Seattle: Schaefer. Ron Francis built the Hurricanes from the blue line out, and a defender as transcendent as Schaefer will fit perfectly amongst a group of solid but unspectacular in Seattle.

Anaheim: Misa. Martin Madden fils doesn’t shy away from boom or bust picks, and Misa’s elite dynamism in transition fits perfectly with the less dynamic if perhaps more reliable centres in McTavish and Carlsson.

Philadelphia: Schaefer. A perfect compliment to a young core in Philadelphia that lacks a true 1D, a coach like John Tortorella would be able to replicate what he has in Columbus with Jones and Werenski playing heavy minutes.

Pittsburgh: Schaefer. Their prospect pool is awful and has holes everywhere, so BPA makes sense here, Schaefer helps ease Pittsburgh into the post Crosby era
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Chicago is not going to draft Martone. Not Davidson's favorite player profile.
I would say Misa-Desnoyers are players who fit into the system.
 
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