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With the season ticking down and there still being 4 top contenders for the 1st overall spot I made a list of the bottom 8 teams as of today Feb 9th, 2025 and what I believe they’d be picking if they landed 1OA today. If you would change things- feel free to voice what you would change.


Chicago prob leans winger- nobody really too great. Nazar prob the best W/C in the system right now and Bedard needs a running mate BAD.


San Jose probably defence with their strong forward group of young guys (add musty maybe next year too) so Schaefer.


A team like Philly a centre for sure to play alongside michkov and just lost Gauthier who was their #1C prospect before. prob picks Hagens/Misa


Buffalo definitely a C/W with all their young d. So any of the top 4 with the exception of Schaefer (D)


Nashville BPA. Prob Schaefer


Seattle either W OR D so Martone/Schaefer definitely not a C with Beniers, Wright, Catton


Pittsburgh BPA so very likely Schaefer. Penguins even had a practice with Erie and I think part of it was scouting Schaefer. No real strong game changing d in their system


St Louis BPA. Prob Schaefer
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WSS11 said:
Pretty likely SJ lands in the top 2. Gotta think it’ll be Schaefer then Misa on their board.
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I wonder if they don’t get 1st and they get like 2-4 if they trade down and draft mrtka or just pick BPA and figure it out afterwords.

Would maybe make more sense picking a W especially a RW with their lineup. Right now only young guy playing RW is smith but he’s listed as a C/RW meaning he can play C too potentially behind Celebrini. Prob starting off as a winger and in a few years when he gets his footing they transition him back to a C.
 
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No one is going to draft for positional need at first overall if it’s not a tie between the players and Schaefer seems like the consensus number one among NHL scouts. All the teams listed above will probably pick Schaefer if the have the first pick.
 
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WSS11 said:
Yep. I just mean that SJ is almost assuredly going to have a top three pick and that’ll probably be the order on Griers board
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I agree with that order for the Sharks even though in a vacuum Hagens might be better for some teams than Misa.
 
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wetcoast said:
I agree with that order for the Sharks even though in a vacuum Hagens might be better for some teams than Misa.
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I whole-heartedly disagree and don't think Hagens has any argument for being taken before Misa. Every time I watch Hagens, hoping that he'll show me #1C talent, I come away disappointed. He hasn't looked like he has #1C talent at all.

If the Sharks drop to #3 and have to pick between Hagens and Martone, I'll be extremely disappointed with this season.
 
It's BPA at #1, and that's probably Schaefer for every team right now.

For the Hawks, think Misa makes the most sense in terms of 'fit'. A kid who'll likely end up at 6'2, with really great wheels and solid pace, high offensive upside, can play center or wing. If Hawks win the #1 pick, it'd be a mistake to pick him, but I think every Hawks fan would be elated with him at 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.
 
wetcoast said:
With the first overall almost every time teams will pick the guy they think is the BPA and they rarely seriously consider moving down, that's just HFBoards chatter.
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Was talking about moving down if they go 2nd/3rd/4th/5th overall. Would pick one of Hagens/Misa/Martone or would they trade down and get maybe an extra pick in the draft along with Mrtka so they still get a great d man in the draft probably around 9 or 10 plus likely either an additional first or a second round pick.

If they get first overall they don’t have to worry about Schaefer being gone because they can obviously just pick their defenceman then
 
I think it's interesting how all the commenters are saying it's BPA when you're this high in the draft. From what I've heard GMs say it's actually the opposite. The better the draft pick the more likely you draft for position as some of these guys can immediately make an impact on your team with the next year or two. Whereas when you have a pick in the 20s, it makes less since to draft positionally since your pick probably wont be an impact player for 4+ years. Your current needs could be completely different than your needs in 4+ years so it makes more sense to take BPA later in the draft. I think a lot of fans have this idea that position never matters in a draft to GMs which is just not true. Even if that's your own personal draft philosophy, GMs consider position all the time when they have a high draft pick. You're kidding yourself if you think a team that has the 1st overall pick and has a glaring need at defense isn't going to take that into account when measuring Schaefer Vs. Hagens.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
If the Sharks drop to #3 and have to pick between Hagens and Martone, I'll be extremely disappointed with this season.
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www.tsn.ca

Button analyzes the type of player Hagens, Misa can be in the NHL - Video - TSN

TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins Gino Reda to share his take on the strengths and weaknesses, if any, No.2 ranked James Hagens has in his game and outlines the best part of Michael Misa's game and which NHLer he reminds him of.
www.tsn.ca www.tsn.ca

You’d be disappointed with Nico Hischier for Hagens or Brady Tkachuk/Matthew Tkachuk who he’s been compared to all along for Martone??
 
frontsfan67 said:
www.tsn.ca

Button analyzes the type of player Hagens, Misa can be in the NHL - Video - TSN

TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins Gino Reda to share his take on the strengths and weaknesses, if any, No.2 ranked James Hagens has in his game and outlines the best part of Michael Misa's game and which NHLer he reminds him of.
www.tsn.ca www.tsn.ca

You’d be disappointed with Nico Hischier for Hagens or Brady Tkachuk/Matthew Tkachuk who he’s been compared to all along for Martone??
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Yes, because those comparisons aren't accurate.

Hagens is a 5'10" center who is solid but not elite defensively and solid but not elite offensively. He is barely over a PPG in the NCAA despite playing on the best team in the nation. All but one of his points at the WJC came against Switzerland/Latvia/Germany. He goes long stretches of just being there. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's going to be a good 2C with two-way utility, but that does not excite me for a third overall pick. And that's besides the fact that he doesn't fit with what the Sharks already have.

Martone has really good hands and high-end playmaking, but he's going to need to be supported by his center at the NHL level and isn't going to be a driver. Comparing him to either Tkachuk is not accurate since Martone doesn't have the two-way ability of Matthew or the mean streak of Brady. His skill-set would fit the Sharks well, but I want more than a complementary winger at third overall.
 
Juxtaposer said:
I whole-heartedly disagree and don't think Hagens has any argument for being taken before Misa. Every time I watch Hagens, hoping that he'll show me #1C talent, I come away disappointed. He hasn't looked like he has #1C talent at all.

If the Sharks drop to #3 and have to pick between Hagens and Martone, I'll be extremely disappointed with this season.
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This is laughable. He has no argument for being picked ahead because your preferred player (that you think fits your team better) is scoring more in a much worse league? If only Hagens got to play against a bunch of cooks and cleaners in the OHL you’d see how laughable your statement really is.

Hagens has outperformed the three OHL’ers in every international setting over the years. Unfortunately he doesn’t get to play in these 10-7 games, so some people get fooled.
 
Juxtaposer said:
Hagens is a 5'10" center who is solid but not elite defensively and solid but not elite offensively. He is barely over a PPG in the NCAA despite playing on the best team in the nation. All but one of his points at the WJC came against Switzerland/Latvia/Germany. He goes long stretches of just being there. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's going to be a good 2C with two-way utility, but that does not excite me for a third overall pick. And that's besides the fact that he doesn't fit with what the Sharks already have.
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Okay again, he’s 5’11. This is documented by now. It’s willful to call him shorter than he’s being listed at.

Smith isn’t part of BC this year. Don’t play expert on a team that you obviously aren’t following this year in the way you did last year. Otherwise you’d know that Perreault and Leonard aren’t putting up huge totals either. Do you think they got worse? Did we not see these three dominate at the WJC in leading their team to a title? Or maybe here’s a novel thought, the team isn’t that high scoring! Almost like being on one of the best teams doesn’t guarantee that the team will score 5 goals every game or participate in 10-7 games of pond hockey in juniors.

And it’s funny you’re literally trying to turn him being one of the best players at the WJC into a bad thing. He scored in the GMG. He didn’t score against a Canada team that lost 3 of their 5 games, but he was able to score against the lowly Latvia that beat Canada. But I guess the guy who was a 1C for the Gold Medal winners, has won gold at World U17, World U18, and World U20 levels before being drafted, setting the points record at 2 of those 3 tournaments and being one of the best players at the other, scored in the wrong games and isn’t any good.

Rubi said:
I'm surprised to see that Hagen's is no longer the favorite.
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Canada refuses to relent. Their hockey prowess is declining, but they want the first pick every year. They control the institutions. It’s their choice.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
This is laughable. He has no argument for being picked ahead because your preferred player (that you think fits your team better) is scoring more in a much worse league? If only Hagens got to play against a bunch of cooks and cleaners in the OHL you’d see how laughable your statement really is.

Hagens has outperformed the three OHL’ers in every international setting over the years. Unfortunately he doesn’t get to play in these 10-7 games, so some people get fooled.
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I have seen you use this "cooks and cleaners" line about junior hockey before....but the vast majority of players in College hockey aren't going to go onto pro success either. The actual difference is age. Players in NCAA are more physically developed.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
I have seen you use this "cooks and cleaners" line about junior hockey before....but the vast majority of players in College hockey aren't going to go onto pro success either. The actual difference is age. Players in NCAA are more physically developed.
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That’s true. Then again, BC has played a ridiculous schedule this year, so there’s no game against Lindenwood and their 0 NHL prospects in this equation being referred to.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
This is laughable. He has no argument for being picked ahead because your preferred player (that you think fits your team better) is scoring more in a much worse league? If only Hagens got to play against a bunch of cooks and cleaners in the OHL you’d see how laughable your statement really is.

Hagens has outperformed the three OHL’ers in every international setting over the years. Unfortunately he doesn’t get to play in these 10-7 games, so some people get fooled.
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Brother, I watch plenty of BC games, I literally pay for ESPN+ so I can watch NCAA hockey. I understand that NCAA scoring is down this year. I am not making this assessment purely on point totals.

If you want to keep pretending that Hagens is the best player in this draft and there's a Canadian conspiracy against him (even though I am American and I ALSO don't care for Martone), do what makes you happy. As an American a fan of a team who is most likely to be drafting third overall this summer, I desperately want Hagens to show out and prove he's the best player in this draft (or at least second best). That's why I'm so ticked that he hasn't. If I was rooting against him or wanted him to fail, I wouldn't be so upset that he hasn't met my expectations.

I'm so sick of this argument with you, especially when you bring nothing to the table outside of conspiracy theories and 'cooks and cleaners' rhetoric.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Brother, I watch plenty of BC games, I literally pay for ESPN+ so I can watch NCAA hockey. I understand that NCAA scoring is down this year. I am not making this assessment purely on point totals.

If you want to keep pretending that Hagens is the best player in this draft and there's a Canadian conspiracy against him (even though I am American and I ALSO don't care for Martone), do what makes you happy. As an American a fan of a team who is most likely to be drafting third overall this summer, I desperately want Hagens to show out and prove he's the best player in this draft (or at least second best). That's why I'm so ticked that he hasn't. If I was rooting against him or wanted him to fail, I wouldn't be so upset that he hasn't met my expectations.

I'm so sick of this argument with you, especially when you bring nothing to the table outside of conspiracy theories and 'cooks and cleaners' rhetoric.
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You don’t have to argue anything with me. Put me on ignore, if you like, but your argument was ridiculous (giving the wrong height, claiming he scored against the wrong international teams, claiming he plays for the best NCAA team but not stating that they aren’t a dominant offensive team). I push back on comments I feel are unfair. I feel the need to give a more fair perspective to the situation. Everyone can judge for themselves where the truth stands.
 
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