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Edit: sorry for the spelling errors in the poll section, I blame my phone lmao.
Bringing this series back, and since likely none of these finalists will be discussed in the all time goalie list, I thought I'd do a year with possibly the strangest and weakest trio of vezina Finalists I've seen yet.
Jim Carey, Chris Osgood and Daren Pupa..
Let's look at their cases, and as well as a few other folks who arguably should have been in the running.
Jim Carey
Won a very close Vezina race. Actually had the same amount of 1st place votes as 2nd place, and just 1 more than 3rd and 4th. But he had more 2nd and 3rd place votes than all of them, I'm guessing that's what sealed the deal?
Here are the stats..
4th in GP (71)
3rd in GAA (2.26)
17th in sv% (.906)
2nd in wins (35)
1st in SO (9)
10th in sv
Based on this, it seems like the voters saw his wins, workload and GAA. He also led the league in SO by a bit, with the next best goalie having 6. The team he was on, while struggling to score (20th in GF) also finished 3rd in GA.
In the end, I come away unimpressed by his vezina win, I can only assume voters didn't put much stock in sv%, because his was pretty underwhelming considering he was on one of the best defensive teams. But how do the other Finalists stack up? Well..
Chris Osgood
Runner up to the winner, he came pretty close too. Had just 6 less total votes than Carey, and half of those was just Osgood having less 3rd place votes.
Stats
16th in GP (50)
2nd in GAA (2.16)
9th in sv% (.911)
1st in wins (39)
Only 6 losses! You have to go far back to the 17th winningest goalie to find someone with the same amount of losses, everyone else is double digits!
26th in sv
3rd in SO (5)
Honestly? Arguably an even more unimpressive finalist. He was on arguably the best team in the league, they ranked 1st in GA and 3rd in GF. His workload pretty easy in both GP and the amount of shots he faced. Based on this, it seems like the voters at least value workload more than team stats like GAA and wins (or at least you'd think) which Osgood decidedly has over Carey.
Daren Puppa
Stats
10th in GP (57)
7th in GAA (2.46)
2nd in sv% (.918)
10th in wins (29)
11th in sv
4th in SO (5)
Surprisingly, he comes across as the strongest among the vezina Finalists. It's not just his sv%, but that he has those stats on a team that wasn't as defensively sound, and overall unimpressive. 18th in GF and 11th in GA.
Now let's take a look at a few of the goalies who probably should have been finalists...
Dominik Hasek.
Stats
8th in GP(59)
14th in GAA (2.83)
1st in sv% (9.20)
19th in wins (22)
1st in losses (30)
3rd in svs
23rd in SO (2)
Clearly should have been a vezina finalist, looking back it's kind of wild he finished 8th in vezina voting, though it just goes to show the votets placed heavy emphasis on team stats and apparently didnt care as much for sv%.
His team was average to below average, 14th in GF and 16th in GA and he faced a hell of a workload as shown by having the 3rd most saves despite the names surrounding him on the list playing 60+, 70+ games. Yet still finished 1st in sv%. He was probably the best goalie this year.
Martin Brodeur
Stats
2nd in GP (77)
5th in GAA (2.34)
7th in sv% (.912)
4th in wins (34)
6th in sv
2nd in SO (6)
Would have been a worthy finalist, and he almost was. Had the same amount of 1st and 2nd place votes as Daren Puppa, but had 3 less 3rd place votes than him.
Impressive season, out of everyone with 70+ games, he has by far the best sv%, even with players in the 60 game range, he still comes out on top.
And though he was on the 2nd best defensive team in the regular season, he was also on the 2nd worst offensive team too, placing 25th out of 26th in GF.
I'll stop there, but I could probably keep listing a couple more goalies that would have been more deserving finalists than Osgood and Carey.
So, feel free to share your thoughts on any of the goalies this year.
Do you think I'm being unfair to Carey and Osgood? Who do you think should have won the vezina trophy, and who would have been your other 2 finalists?
Bringing this series back, and since likely none of these finalists will be discussed in the all time goalie list, I thought I'd do a year with possibly the strangest and weakest trio of vezina Finalists I've seen yet.
Jim Carey, Chris Osgood and Daren Pupa..
Let's look at their cases, and as well as a few other folks who arguably should have been in the running.
Jim Carey
Won a very close Vezina race. Actually had the same amount of 1st place votes as 2nd place, and just 1 more than 3rd and 4th. But he had more 2nd and 3rd place votes than all of them, I'm guessing that's what sealed the deal?
Here are the stats..
4th in GP (71)
3rd in GAA (2.26)
17th in sv% (.906)
2nd in wins (35)
1st in SO (9)
10th in sv
Based on this, it seems like the voters saw his wins, workload and GAA. He also led the league in SO by a bit, with the next best goalie having 6. The team he was on, while struggling to score (20th in GF) also finished 3rd in GA.
In the end, I come away unimpressed by his vezina win, I can only assume voters didn't put much stock in sv%, because his was pretty underwhelming considering he was on one of the best defensive teams. But how do the other Finalists stack up? Well..
Chris Osgood
Runner up to the winner, he came pretty close too. Had just 6 less total votes than Carey, and half of those was just Osgood having less 3rd place votes.
Stats
16th in GP (50)
2nd in GAA (2.16)
9th in sv% (.911)
1st in wins (39)
Only 6 losses! You have to go far back to the 17th winningest goalie to find someone with the same amount of losses, everyone else is double digits!
26th in sv
3rd in SO (5)
Honestly? Arguably an even more unimpressive finalist. He was on arguably the best team in the league, they ranked 1st in GA and 3rd in GF. His workload pretty easy in both GP and the amount of shots he faced. Based on this, it seems like the voters at least value workload more than team stats like GAA and wins (or at least you'd think) which Osgood decidedly has over Carey.
Daren Puppa
Stats
10th in GP (57)
7th in GAA (2.46)
2nd in sv% (.918)
10th in wins (29)
11th in sv
4th in SO (5)
Surprisingly, he comes across as the strongest among the vezina Finalists. It's not just his sv%, but that he has those stats on a team that wasn't as defensively sound, and overall unimpressive. 18th in GF and 11th in GA.
Now let's take a look at a few of the goalies who probably should have been finalists...
Dominik Hasek.
Stats
8th in GP(59)
14th in GAA (2.83)
1st in sv% (9.20)
19th in wins (22)
1st in losses (30)
3rd in svs
23rd in SO (2)
Clearly should have been a vezina finalist, looking back it's kind of wild he finished 8th in vezina voting, though it just goes to show the votets placed heavy emphasis on team stats and apparently didnt care as much for sv%.
His team was average to below average, 14th in GF and 16th in GA and he faced a hell of a workload as shown by having the 3rd most saves despite the names surrounding him on the list playing 60+, 70+ games. Yet still finished 1st in sv%. He was probably the best goalie this year.
Martin Brodeur
Stats
2nd in GP (77)
5th in GAA (2.34)
7th in sv% (.912)
4th in wins (34)
6th in sv
2nd in SO (6)
Would have been a worthy finalist, and he almost was. Had the same amount of 1st and 2nd place votes as Daren Puppa, but had 3 less 3rd place votes than him.
Impressive season, out of everyone with 70+ games, he has by far the best sv%, even with players in the 60 game range, he still comes out on top.
And though he was on the 2nd best defensive team in the regular season, he was also on the 2nd worst offensive team too, placing 25th out of 26th in GF.
I'll stop there, but I could probably keep listing a couple more goalies that would have been more deserving finalists than Osgood and Carey.
So, feel free to share your thoughts on any of the goalies this year.
Do you think I'm being unfair to Carey and Osgood? Who do you think should have won the vezina trophy, and who would have been your other 2 finalists?
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