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GDT: #18 - 11/12/18 | canucks @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

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2018/19 REGULAR SEASON
GAME #18 - 11/12/2018


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VAN: 10-6-2_____________NYR: 8-7-2



TIME | 7:00 PM ET
VENUE | MADISON SQUARE GARDEN - NYC, NY
TV | MSG, SNP





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Looks like Spooner slots in for Buchnevich on the first line. 90-93-23. Second and third remain same — 20-13-50, and 26-21-17, and fourth is 8-72-95. Seven D rotating in, so hard to tell if there are changes there. We talk to DQ after. - Colin Stephenson on twitter
 
KreiderBomb said:
Looks like Spooner slots in for Buchnevich on the first line. 90-93-23. Second and third remain same — 20-13-50, and 26-21-17, and fourth is 8-72-95. Seven D rotating in, so hard to tell if there are changes there. We talk to DQ after. - Colin Stephenson on twitter
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*Looks at 8-72-95*
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
"This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it."
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Looks like Spooner slots in for Buchnevich on the first line. 90-93-23. Second and third remain same — 20-13-50, and 26-21-17, and fourth is 8-72-95. Seven D rotating in, so hard to tell if there are changes there. We talk to DQ after. - Colin Stephenson on twitter
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I can't believe they kept 72 on the fourth line. Expected him to start on the 3rd and, based on performance, hopefully get promoted to 2nd line. Send him to the AHL. This is a waste of everyone's time.
 
No Boeser is just huge.
Pettersson had just 1 shot on goal over 24 minutes in Buffalo. Hopefully the staff sees something that worked well there.
Loui Eriksson has a 4-game point streak. (as does #93).
Markstrom is 3-1-1 vs NYR, but misleading given the 3.59 GAA and .881 sv%
Rangers have dropped only 2 of the last 12 vs. Canucks.
The past two NYR/VAN results have been Ranger W's in OT (and SO), with Hayes and Boeser each scoring twice last February.

With a victory, we can push the Flyers for 2nd in the Metro.

Just win. Rangers 4-3 (SO).
 
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Lias getting another hard look. Chytil has had a lot of opportunity. let's watch and see what Andersson does with his.
 
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I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but Kreider had another goal from right side of the ice. With both Buch and Zucc out, RW has a glaring hole. Why not 72-13-20? And Spooner is trash. Let him play C on the 4th and put Lias on the RW with Zib and Namest.

Names-Zib-Andersson
Chytil-Hayes-Kreider
Vesey-Howden-Fast
McL-Spooner-Lettieri OR Lettieri-Fogarty-Spooner - I'd take that over Cody in the lineup
 
NYR713 said:
I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but Kreider had another goal from right side of the ice. With both Buch and Zucc out, RW has a glaring hole. Why not 72-13-20? And Spooner is trash. Let him play C on the 4th and put Lias on the RW with Zib and Namest.

Names-Zib-Andersson
Chytil-Hayes-Kreider
Vesey-Howden-Fast
McL-Spooner-Lettieri OR Lettieri-Fogarty-Spooner - I'd take that over Cody in the lineup
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I've always been intrigued by Kreider on the right side, coming down the off-wing, going back to his college days.
 
NYR713 said:
I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but Kreider had another goal from right side of the ice. With both Buch and Zucc out, RW has a glaring hole. Why not 72-13-20? And Spooner is trash. Let him play C on the 4th and put Lias on the RW with Zib and Namest.

Names-Zib-Andersson
Chytil-Hayes-Kreider
Vesey-Howden-Fast
McL-Spooner-Lettieri OR Lettieri-Fogarty-Spooner - I'd take that over Cody in the lineup
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I think it's simply because Kreider is a lefty, and defending the right side in support of the D will be tougher. I think they flip wings only when they have the absolute circumstances to do so. The forwards have more freedom to move around on offense, but defense requires structure.

I could be wrong.
 
Edge said:
I've always been intrigued by Kreider on the right side, coming down the off-wing, going back to his college days.
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When he was younger Kreider would over handle the puck (not his strength) and off wing would have been a disaster. He seems to have finally learned how to play to his strengths so might be worth a look now.
 
Why is everyone complaining that Chytil deserves to be off the 4th line when he has done nothing to earn it?

It is not hurting his development. He is playing minutes in the NHL practicing with NHL players constantly, is getting the “NHL life” that is greatly improved over the AHL.

He is a 19-year old kid. He is fine.

Just because he is a “high pick” doesn’t automatically mean he deserves top-line minutes.
 
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Edge said:
I've always been intrigued by Kreider on the right side, coming down the off-wing, going back to his college days.
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I just don't get it that it's never tried. I've seen it for years.... glimpses of him on the right side just due to the game and location of the puck dictating that he go there. But no coaches ever seem to even consider the move for a game or two. He's smart enough and aware enough of as a hockey player to stick to his side (as opposed to Buch being tried on the left and not able to break RW instincts).

I don't think it would take anything away from his current game, just enhance his offensive capabilities. He'll still streak down the boards, but will have the center of the ice on his forehand, giving him more options in 1-on-1 situations. He's still going to get into the dirty areas in front of and around the net, but again will have more options with his forehand open to the net from the right side, like his goal against CBJ the other night. And, when he occasionally gets 1 time passes in the slot he seems to be able to get an accurate and hard shot on goal.
 
Rangerfans said:
Why is everyone complaining that Chytil deserves to be off the 4th line when he has done nothing to earn it?

It is not hurting his development. He is playing minutes in the NHL practicing with NHL players constantly, is getting the “NHL life” that is greatly improved over the AHL.

He is a 19-year old kid. He is fine.

Just because he is a “high pick” doesn’t automatically mean he deserves top-line minutes.
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The problem is that he's playing 6 minutes a game rather than getting 20 minutes in the AHL.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The problem is that he's playing 6 minutes a game rather than getting 20 minutes in the AHL.
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Maybe this is an ancillary point, but he will be playing the most games he will ever play in one season so far--barring injury. They always talk about rookies burning out later in the season because of the heavier workload. A measured workload might keep him in better shape through the winter into spring.
 
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will1066 said:
I think it's simply because Kreider is a lefty, and defending the right side in support of the D will be tougher. I think they flip wings only when they have the absolute circumstances to do so. The forwards have more freedom to move around on offense, but defense requires structure.

I could be wrong.
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Yeah I hear that. Defensively a lot of people prefer that. I've always preferred my off side on defense though. I can use my whole body to defend boards and outside but prefer having my stick defending towards center of the ice. As someone else mentioned above... maybe not in his early years, but I think Kreider is mature enough now to pretty much be deployed anywhere he is needed.
 
If Chytil was drafted in the 4th round nobody would care what his minutes were. Let him feel his way into the league, who knows maybe he is comfortable doing this for now. He will work his way up the lineup as the year goes on, or he will end up in Hartford, either way they are working with him and he is getting NHL coaching when he is a t practice so that's a benefit.
 
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Lettieri I just don't get. He brings nothing to the table. No hands, no vision. He's a robot making sure the puck goes into the corner. He's modeling his game after Fast, but hell Fast is a 4th line guy with almost the exact same skill set. I understand that every team needs guys like this. I think Fast is a hell of a 4th line Pkr. That being said, he is a cancer out there to creative players. Every time you have Fast, Lettieri or Cloud out their with anyone of skill it severely hinders that lines offensive potential.

Our should be no injury line up.

Kreider - Zib - Zucc
Vesey - Hayes - Andersson
Chytil - Howden - Buch
Spooner - Names - Fast

Skjei - ADA
Smith - Shatty
Staal - Pionk
McQuaid

Hank
Georgie
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The problem is that he's playing 6 minutes a game rather than getting 20 minutes in the AHL.
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Supposedly, the Rangers belief has been that there's more for him to learn at the NHL level, at this point, than there is at the AHL level.

So, right, wrong, or otherwise, I think their approach is that they'd rather him push himself at the NHL level, and have that not necessarily show up on the stat sheet, then dominate at the AHL level.

Whether or not that continues to be the approach, or whether it's even the right one is up for debate. But so far, that's been the Rangers approach.
 
Terrible about Buch. He'd made some very noticeable strides since his scratching; I was looking forward to seeing if he was going to keep his intensity up.

As for Chytil, I think we would all agree that we'd like for him to get more minutes and to get the hell away from McLeod, but he's only just barely a 19-year old; we're not ruining him by playing him sparingly for a quarter of a season in the toughest league in the world.

He'll eventually slot higher and he'll eventually get more minutes, or he'll get sent to the AHL for a stint.
 
Gardner McKay said:
I do think Chytil would benefit by a move back to the AHL.
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I think most are in agreement, but perhaps we can look at the positives of playing with McLeod and Letteri - it's as if he's still in the A, but playing with bottom line AHL guys...Being serious, there are positives. Each NHL game, every road trip is an invaluable experience for Chytil. Yes, I'd rather he be playing on any other line, and not sure the positives outweigh it, but there is upside to having another 5+ weeks in the league.

Over 26 NHL games, Chytil has 1 goal on 42 shots. 2.4%...that figure is going to skyrocket when he puts 3 past Greiss on Thursday night.
 
MetalJaws said:
Lettieri I just don't get. He brings nothing to the table. No hands, no vision. He's a robot making sure the puck goes into the corner. He's modeling his game after Fast, but hell Fast is a 4th line guy with almost the exact same skill set. I understand that every team needs guys like this. I think Fast is a hell of a 4th line Pkr. That being said, he is a cancer out there to creative players. Every time you have Fast, Lettieri or Cloud out their with anyone of skill it severely hinders that lines offensive potential.

Our should be no injury line up.

Kreider - Zib - Zucc
Vesey - Hayes - Andersson
Chytil - Howden - Buch
Spooner - Names - Fast

Skjei - ADA
Smith - Shatty
Staal - Pionk
McQuaid

Hank
Georgie
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I think Namestinicov has earned better than 4th line center and Buchnevich seems to work best with Zibanajad. Also, Claussen has played way better than Smith. Only my opinion though
 
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Vesey-Howden-Fast is still a great line, at least.

If Spooner can't score with Zibby he should be in the AHL.
 
romba said:
When he was younger Kreider would over handle the puck (not his strength) and off wing would have been a disaster. He seems to have finally learned how to play to his strengths so might be worth a look now.
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Speaking of Kreider. Does anyone remember we here at HF, always wanting MORE (and still do) but somehow I dont ever remember there being much talk about sending him down (like Chytil here, day in and day out).
My point is.......Chytil cannot possibly do anything that he hasn't already done in the A, maybe, just maybe our coaches believe he is MUCH BETTER off being here, and its just a matter of time before the light comes on, i mean REALLY ON.
Kreider was FAR from a better player than Chytil right now, the talent IS THERE, and could be a detriment in sending him down. They've already made their decision (burning his year) so now they have to stick to it. All i want is just a little more playing time, as he needs to keep his legs from "tightening up" (or something like that, that Valley said when under 10 minutes) I simply don't get Quinnie stating; "I want to play him more, and am disappointed in myself" from ACTUALLY doing such. He is the coach and can easily make that happen. Win OR lose Quinnie. Wins done mean crap right now. Get this kid some damned playing time!
 
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