12'/13' Draft Thread: Offensive flash is a beauty but defensive presence rules.

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I haven't seen much of Barkov besides the WJC... He seems like a Holmstrom type player to me... Great in front of the net with sweet hands, good shot and can tip pucks at an elite level.

If i'm the Leafs and we had #3 it would be between Monahan and Lindholm...
 
I haven't seen much of Barkov besides the WJC... He seems like a Holmstrom type player to me... Great in front of the net with sweet hands, good shot and can tip pucks at an elite level.

If i'm the Leafs and we had #3 it would be between Monahan and Lindholm...

MacKinnon had 1 assist in 6 games for Canada.
Nichushkin had 1 goal 1 assist in 6 games for Russia.
Lindholm had 2 goals 2 assists in 6 games for Sweden.

I didn't really notice MacKinnon, save for penalties.

WJC not the best place to scout 17-18 year olds, playing for a new coach, perhaps new system, stacked teams against tier 2 teams, new linemates ...

It is nice to get to see some of them though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV5i2tLi0g0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax3BVNjNXlI

Funny how similar these 2 goals are.
 
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MacKinnon had 1 assist in 6 games for Canada.
Nichushkin had 1 goal 1 assist in 6 games for Russia.
Lindholm had 2 goals 2 assists in 6 games for Sweden.

I didn't really notice MacKinnon, save for penalties.

WJC not the best place to scout 17-18 year olds, playing for a new coach, perhaps new system, stacked teams against tier 2 teams, new linemates ...

It is nice to get to see some of them though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV5i2tLi0g0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax3BVNjNXlI
I agree people tend to put a little too much stock on WJC performance. Of course it's important to perform well there, but it shouldn't account for more than their play with their junior/club teams throughout the season as a whole.

I get it though for most people (myself included) it's the only chance I'll get to see players like Barkov, Lindholm, and Nichushkin throughout the year, so people might tend to base their opinion on a player based on the small sample size they've seen.
 
Our favourite feature of any draft thread (a definite hit last year, as I recall), It's time for a mid-season edition of Prospect Myth Busters!!

Last year, we went ahead and dispelled the nonsense foolishly made up by one of our resident posters on young American pivot, Alex Galchenyuk.

Let's take a look at this year's foreign target, Aleksander "Sasha" Barkov:

Interactif:
"he's also a perimeter player from my limited viewings"

Well, if by "perimeter", you mean perimeter of the crease....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdFCl5_tvY

Yeah, he looks a lot like our old #13 out there.

Interactif:
" Barkov may be too slow to adjust playing in the NHL"
"his skating that reminds me of Barkov that prevented him from being an elite NHL fwd"

And then he asked: "Barkov's skating doesn't worry you, but Monahan's does?"

well, I never said Monahan's skating worried me, just that it needs work. Something that scouts agree with for both of them, but then there was this exerpt from The Hockey Writers:

"He has Mario Lemiuex-like speed, in that he looks like a lumbering giant, but is deceptively fast"

So then you were like...

Interactif:
"Good point." In response to a bolded quote about Kessel needing a guy to fish pucks out of corners...

so Goran Stubb, of NHL Central Scouting was all like:
""Barkov is big, strong and a hard worker in all areas of the ice," NHL Central Scouting's Goran Stubb told NHL.com.

And just for some other points of interest, let's look at some attitude and character notes, as we KNOW just how important these are, right?

"My parents' meaning to me is very great," Barkov said. "They both taught me to skate and spent time with me and they drove me to team practices."

Doesn't sound too much different than how most of us grew up playing the game, or how those CHL kids started...

“[Barkov] acknowledged that his defensive game needed to be better – saying he’s working on it every game and every practice”

A smart, honest kid. Hardworking, and committed to improving his game

“I try not to concentrate on external factors during my games. What I aim for is to play my best game, and give everything that I got in favour of my team.”

“For me, every goal I score is important because hopefully it could help my team to win.”

A focused, team-first centerman. A kid who puts the good of the team before his personal accolades.

Goran Stubb then describes a 3-zone weapon:

"He's a sniper who can also set up scoring chances for teammates. I like the fact that he's a two-way center with a good understanding of his defensive duties."

Doesn't disappear in big games:

“It seems as if all the attention may have made him even stronger. In his final tuneup against the United States on Saturday, Barkov struck for a goal and two assists in a 5-1 win.”

“In fact, Barkov, who was one of only four 1995-born players participating at the 2012 WJC, became the youngest Finnish player to score a goal at the Under-20 tournament. At 16 years and four months, the 6-foot-2, 209-pound center made history when he connected for the decisive goal in an 8-5 victory against Slovakia in the tournament's quarterfinal round.”

A workhorse at 16/17:

“As we’ve seen, he’s fourth in the league in goals, and he’s averaging more than three shots per game, too. He has also emerged as a top option for Tappara (“Battle Axe”), playing more than 20 minutes per night regularly over the last stretch of games.”

"He keeps his head calm in every situation and can be used in shorthanded situations too. "


Has had his share of big moments that impacted his team:

"Barkov has started the 2012/13 season on fire scoring seven goals and five assists in eight games."

“Aleksander Barkov leads Tappara with 14 goals and sits among the top ten scorers in the Finnish SM-liiga – and padded a whirlwind month by taking home MVP honours at the U-20 4-Nations Tournament last month in Sundsvall, Sweden (3-0-3-3).

And lastly, here are just a few snippets of what the experts have to say about this fine young man:

"Very untypical for Finnish prospects, Barkov is big and strong and uses his size very well"

From Edmonton's head of Amateur Scouting:

“[Barkov] was very good. A big, strong, centerman that is very smart with the puck and strong with the puck and works hard at both ends of the ice.”

“He’s 6’2” at least, maybe a little more and very close to 200 pounds as a 17-year old. He skates well, very good first step, gets off the mark well. Passes the puck very well, good hands, controls the puck using his puck skills and his body to protect. More of a setup guy than a shooter but he does possess a very good shot.”

Why do we need a hometown kid? We have a budding star who LOVES playing in the spotlight, and thrives on the challenge:

“It seems as if all the attention may have made him even stronger."

OH! And those player comparisons......:

“He has Mario Lemiuex-like speed"

From Barkov:

“I follow (Evgeni) Malkin and (Pavel) Datsyuk because they are amazingly skillful players, and can dominate in every situation.”

"His style has been compared a lot to Pavel Datsyuk. "

And before we close, let's leave off with some buzzwords and phrases for you to use:

"He has also emerged as a top option"

"Barkov is big, strong and a hard worker in all areas of the ice"

"He's a sniper"

"he's a two-way center"

"A big, strong, centerman " "is very smart with the puck" "strong with the puck "

"but is deceptively fast, to go with tremendous hands" " a high compete level"

“Barkov is mature beyond his years on the ice, and plays with the confidence and swagger of a savvy veteran. He is a hyprid of pure ability, skill, power and strength, and simply can create something out of nothing in an instant.”


And finally, for some fun videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZDaxZHxoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYiSFRj5yiQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmz-nxuYaqo

So there's your perimeter player.

Proof is in the pudding, right?

And if people cared to watch, You can catch Tappara games on firstrowsports.
 
I think the top 10 of this draft are extremely solid, and that's a tune we can all dance to.
 
I agree people tend to put a little too much stock on WJC performance. Of course it's important to perform well there, but it shouldn't account for more than their play with their junior/club teams throughout the season as a whole.

I get it though for most people (myself included) it's the only chance I'll get to see players like Barkov, Lindholm, and Nichushkin throughout the year, so people might tend to base their opinion on a player based on the small sample size they've seen.

Lindholm is worth a look, wish he showed more in the gold medal game but he is interesting, and being Swedish, has a great history with Leafs history.
 
I haven't seen much of Barkov besides the WJC... He seems like a Holmstrom type player to me... Great in front of the net with sweet hands, good shot and can tip pucks at an elite level.

If i'm the Leafs and we had #3 it would be between Monahan and Lindholm...

Yep, agreed! Lindholm is the better skater too, has great feet, different type of player.
 
With lindholm im not sure I see an elite 1C but rather an elite 2C a la richards/bergeron etc.

I like him because he battles for every single puck. Yea he loses but he always tries. He has mischevious and fiesty aspect to his game that i like. Charges the net with authority too, and has a decent amount of power despite being average sized. He also reads plays well and has a very quick reaction time. He will be the type of guy you put out in every situation. No weaknesses imo although I would like him to improve his shot.

I would have to agree with ernieleafs though. The top 10 are solid.. And even after the top 10 you still have guys like nurse, erne, etc. Great draft.
 
Why would you give away one elite piece for another?

That's taking a step back.

Who said giveaway anything?

If you are trying to land that #1 center it isn't going to be with scraps or mediocre prospects unless some team wants to do another Joe trade.

Jones for defense
#1 center (top end)
 
Who said giveaway anything?

If you are trying to land that #1 center it isn't going to be with scraps or mediocre prospects unless some team wants to do another Joe trade.

Jones for defense
#1 center (top end)

I'm saying why would we trade an elite piece for the back end, for another defender?

If you're making a deal for a 1C, then you can talk about it, but there's no reason to. Let's see how the draft order shakes out, and worry about that later. I think it's pretty obvious that Rielly is going NOWHERE.
 
I'm saying why would we trade an elite piece for the back end, for another defender?

If you're making a deal for a 1C, then you can talk about it, but there's no reason to. Let's see how the draft order shakes out, and worry about that later. I think it's pretty obvious that Rielly is going NOWHERE.
Hopefully we get lucky in this draft and if we are in the middle of the pack we might be able to rob fucale.
 
I'm saying why would we trade an elite piece for the back end, for another defender?

If you're making a deal for a 1C, then you can talk about it, but there's no reason to. Let's see how the draft order shakes out, and worry about that later. I think it's pretty obvious that Rielly is going NOWHERE.

I don't think anyone is untouchable, but yes I'm sure Burke wants to see how Rielly turns out.

Odds of the Leafs ever getting 1st. overall is extremely remote anyway.
 
If he was a better skater more accurately.

So like I said above, make your way to firstrowsports sometime this week (not sure when Tappara's next game is), and have a look at his play.

You'll see what the scouts are saying about his skating. Not polished, and far from complete in it's development, but certainly nowhere near the sensationalist line you're running.

If his skating is really that bad, he wouldn't be putting up the numbers he is in a men's league. Boy, you know who he reminds me of in terms of his stride? Some guy who played in both London and Oshawa, and went 1st overall..... yeah, that guy. The one who they said would have problems at the NHL level if his skating didn't improve... yeah, how's he doing?
 
I agree people tend to put a little too much stock on WJC performance. Of course it's important to perform well there, but it shouldn't account for more than their play with their junior/club teams throughout the season as a whole.

I get it though for most people (myself included) it's the only chance I'll get to see players like Barkov, Lindholm, and Nichushkin throughout the year, so people might tend to base their opinion on a player based on the small sample size they've seen.

It's a good way to totally get the wrong idea on a prospect. One poster made a very good point about it (epictus I believe was the poster). It's a place where top prospects generally don't fall or rise as they have already solidified their status as top 5 picks, but some other guys can really improve there position (like Drouin/Dano this year).

This entire WJC wasn't exactly stellar for the 2013 draft class. Which isn't really surprising. We've all been told this is a 19 year olds tourney countless times. It's almost a little much we expect 17/18 year olds to dominant. I've been critical of Jones but really are a few games going to have me drop him from the top 3? Not a chance. It's such a small sample size it doesn't make any sense. Not to mention he's still very young.

We've already heard a GM (our own) admit that he completely ignored the WJC when drafting the Sedins, after he came away less than impressed with them at the tourney prior to their draft season.
 
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