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So prelim reports are that the co-pilot of the Blackhawk was a woman and the pilot was a male and that they were in a training environment with supposedly the pilot overseeing the co-pilot....

If confirmed ..that is going to go over real well in our current military "culture" "debate."

UPDATE: Probably bc of this

www.newsweek.com

Who is Jo Ellis? Trans Black Hawk pilot wrongly named in DC crash

Jo Ellis said it is "insulting to the victims and families" to have been incorrectly named as one of the pilots involved in the crash on Wednesday.
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Edit: then you have this....can't wait for my air travel this year...

Live Updates: Control Tower Staffing Was ‘Not Normal’ During Deadly Crash, F.A.A. Report Says​

An internal report suggested that the controller on duty the night of the accident was doing a job usually handled by two people. The collision between a jet and an Army helicopter killed 67 people, whose bodies were being recovered from the icy Potomac.

 
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Rebels57 said:
Immigrants make up 70-75% of ALL Farmworkers with 45-50% being Undocumented/Illegal.

Farm Labor | Economic Research Service

The Farm Labor topic page presents data and analysis on the size and composition of the U.S. agricultural workforce; recent trends in the employment of hired farmworkers; farmworkers' demographic characteristics, legal status, and migration practices; trends in wages and labor cost shares; and...
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42%, but what I said was less than 3% of those that are illegals pick produce, meaning from the whole population of those that are not legally in the US not just farm workers.
 
Rebels57 said:
Which is not relevant at all to the origin of the conversation...which was about how deporting immigrant farmworkers is going to cause massive produce inflation.
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42% of our farm work force only being 3% of the total of illegal immigration’s in the country shows how bad the issue is.
I haven’t seen ice raiding farms for day laborers, but I have seen ice arresting murderers, rapists and pedophiles.
There have been people who’s only (known) crime has been entering the country illegally but that was due to their proximity to the primary targets.
 
Lord Defect said:
42% of our farm work force only being 3% of the total of illegal immigration’s in the country shows how bad the issue is.
I haven’t seen ice raiding farms for day laborers, but I have seen ice arresting murderers, rapists and pedophiles.
There have been people who’s only (known) crime has been entering the country illegally but that was due to their proximity to the primary targets.
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The stated goal was 1 million deported in year 1.

Even if you go by some of the most skewed crime statistics for illegals which include arrests and not charges and things like low level theft or other crimes you barely get to 10% of that 1m.

And that 1m is supposed to be the "start" so obviously common sense tells you the illegals working jobs in the supply chain are going to have to be rounded up to meet those numbers.

Pretty sure we are seeing non-criminals rounded up. If your co-worker is specifically targeted by police for child porn and they come to arrest him at your office. Police are not checking each and every one of you.

ICE is. Hell that raid in Newark wasn't for a specific criminal, but because the business was suspected of using illegal immigrants for labor.

There was a Grandmother, Mother, and child taken to a holding facility in Wisconsin because they were reported while shopping and speaking spanish.

They were from Puerto Rico... Americans. It took them time to prove it and be released.

A Puerto Rican restaurant in Philly had ICE try to come in to check workers and the owner refused to comply. No warrant was shown and they left.

The roundups of just finding anyone is going to increase because the criminal or pending category quickly will be depleted or harder to locate.
 
Flybynite said:
The stated goal was 1 million deported in year 1.

Even if you go by some of the most skewed crime statistics for illegals which include arrests and not charges and things like low level theft or other crimes you barely get to 10% of that 1m.

And that 1m is supposed to be the "start" so obviously common sense tells you the illegals working jobs in the supply chain are going to have to be rounded up to meet those numbers.

Pretty sure we are seeing non-criminals rounded up. If your co-worker is specifically targeted by police for child porn and they come to arrest him at your office. Police are not checking each and every one of you.

ICE is. Hell that raid in Newark wasn't for a specific criminal, but because the business was suspected of using illegal immigrants for labor.

There was a Grandmother, Mother, and child taken to a holding facility in Wisconsin because they were reported while shopping and speaking spanish.

They were from Puerto Rico... Americans. It took them time to prove it and be released.

A Puerto Rican restaurant in Philly had ICE try to come in to check workers and the owner refused to comply. No warrant was shown and they left.

The roundups of just finding anyone is going to increase because the criminal or pending category quickly will be depleted or harder to locate.
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Where did you get that 10% stat?
They are targeting certain individuals or known whereabouts of known individuals or else they are either getting incredibly lucky rounding up as many violent criminals as they are or the problem is much more worse than it appears with the amounts they are arresting.

The coworker comment is not a fair assessment, I’d say it’s more along the lines of going after Capone, and stumbling onto some very low level criminal associates. You’re not going to let the low levels go just because they aren’t the big guy. They’ve done some dirt too.

Going after people just because they look or speak a certain way is horrendous and that’s not the way it should be done. Investigations and warrants need to be involved. Schools and churches need to left alone, they need to be the safe havens and sanctuaries that they are(or should be). Children and elderly should not be snatched up as bait tactics to gain leverage on the targeted individuals.
 
My 10% was based on having seen estimates of 100k to 150k illegals who are not in prisons or jails, but in the US pending trial with arrests or charges or evading capture.

So I was saying if all of that 100k to 150k group was deported you are meeting 10% (guess 15% max) of the 1m goal.

The House last year gave an insanely high number by ICE that was like 600k. But then didn't explain ICE's definition of a non-detained criminal illegal includes illegals IN US custody, but not in an ICE facility.

ICE only considers illegals detained if they personally have control of them. Maybe its just me, but I think an illegal immigrant who commits a crime in the US should serve their sentence in the US and THEN be kicked out. I don't think they should get to escape punishment for a crime here by being deported and then freed in their home country.

With the chance to then reenter the US illegally. Walls are not foolproof. Plenty of new wall constructed 6 years ago was breached.
 
Flybynite said:
My 10% was based on having seen estimates of 100k to 150k illegals who are not in prisons or jails, but in the US pending trial with arrests or charges or evading capture.

So I was saying if all of that 100k to 150k group was deported you are meeting 10% (guess 15% max) of the 1m goal.

The House last year gave an insanely high number by ICE that was like 600k. But then didn't explain ICE's definition of a non-detained criminal illegal includes illegals IN US custody, but not in an ICE facility.

ICE only considers illegals detained if they personally have control of them. Maybe its just me, but I think an illegal immigrant who commits a crime in the US should serve their sentence in the US and THEN be kicked out. I don't think they should get to escape punishment for a crime here by being deported and then freed in their home country.

With the chance to then reenter the US illegally. Walls are not foolproof. Plenty of new wall constructed 6 years ago was breached.
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I gotta be honest, the frost trade too a lot out of my sails for other discussions on this forum. I’m not ignoring you or evading the response
 
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