GDT: 11/30/24 - 7:00PM EDT - Toronto vs Tampa Bay

Stammertime91

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Also, we had plenty of defensive lapses during the b2b run and Vasy was simply otherworldly. Right now, he's not and it's actually reflective of how poor we are defensively. His greatness masked our deficiencies but right now, he's just letting Charmin soft fly in and has been for about 1-2 years depending on how you view him.
 

Point21

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If anything, Blashill should be the first to go, followed by Halpern if things get worse. then you start with the trades to make the team better with what we have to spare.
 
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Felonious Python

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If anything, Blashill should be the first to go, followed by Halpern if things get worse. then you start with the trades to make the team better with what we have to spare.
Why Blashill before anyone else? How can we quantify that he's the weakest link?
 

Bartleby

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Bring in a ball buster... who?

I'm not on the fire Cooper train at all. I dont know what you want him to do when half his forward group is allergic to scoring and are redundant pieces. Nothing in half the forward group moves the needle. The reunion of McD and Cernak isn't panning out the way we had hoped. Our goaltending is underwhelming and that's probably being kind.

Cooper knows how to win and in the end that's what is important. Of course messages go stale but we've also depleted too many winners from this roster that were leaders in unique ways. It's a lousy, mediocre team that has no identity whatsoever apart from "Nikita Kucherov." Our special teams aren't even a strong point anymore. That's not Cooper, that's the reality of the salary cap and JBB taking fliers on low risk guys that aren't providing shit.

Girgensons, Atkinson, Sheary, Eyssimont, Glendening, Goncalves, and Chaffee aren't going to help you get over the top. These guys aren't leaders and apart from Eyssimonts heart (which doesn't equal goals), Glendenings faceoffs and Chaffee's potential, that group is ass.
I don't know who, that's up to JBB. My only point is that maybe, just maybe, the bolded will change under a new coach with a different kind of energy and a new message. I will ask again, what is the point of continuing as we have been? There isn't one IMO so you either get on with the rebuild or you take a big swing that may work or may strike out but at least you've tried something. I don't want to hear another measured, analytical Cooper post-game presser. I want to see some Tortorella-esgue fireworks. The energy and vibe has to change.
 

Stammertime91

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I don't know who, that's up to JBB. My only point is that maybe, just maybe, the bolded will change under a new coach with a different kind of energy and a new message. I will ask again, what is the point of continuing as we have been? There isn't one IMO so you either get on with the rebuild or you take a big swing that may work or may strike out but at least you've tried something. I don't want to hear another measured, analytical Cooper post-game presser. I want to see some Tortorella-esgue fireworks. The energy and vibe has to change.
The only thing that usually happens is a quick turn around, elevated play, then a coaching carousel when that coach fails. Unless you strike gold, get hot, and win with someone like the Blues did with Berube. That's not the common result though. So, whoever you want probably isn't the coach by 2026/7 if we start doing that. Mid season firings with the hope of turning things around with *this* group isn't going to yield the result you want. Cooper knows how to win and better than any coach in the league. That's a f***ing fact and has a decade of history. So, firing him... who comes in? To replace a mini Bowman esque figure is a hell of a task, too. That's not going to be easy either.

Firing Cooper for JBB constructing a God awful bottom six is dumb. Not calling you dumb, I get your frustrations, but it's a rash decision that doesn't need to be made.
 

OurlordAndSaviorKuch

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The only thing that usually happens is a quick turn around, elevated play, then a coaching carousel when that coach fails. Unless you strike gold, get hot, and win with someone like the Blues did with Berube. That's not the common result though. So, whoever you want probably isn't the coach by 2026/7 if we start doing that. Mid season firings with the hope of turning things around with *this* group isn't going to yield the result you want. Cooper knows how to win and better than any coach in the league. That's a f***ing fact and has a decade of history. So, firing him... who comes in? To replace a mini Bowman sequence figure is a hell of a task, too. That's not going to be easy either.

Firing Cooper for JBB constructing a God awful bottom six is dumb. Not calling you dumb, I get your frustrations, but it's a rash decision that doesn't need to be made.

Only person who could have or should have replaced Cooper well the Blues dumped their HC for instantly when the Bruins fired Montgomery
 

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It's another poor game by Vasy and the defense in a 2nd half of a b2b against a pretty good team, and missing 3 of the top 9. The result isn't that surprising, although it would've been nice to see Vasy not have another sub .900 game against them.
 

Felonious Python

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Its Blashills system
It's moot to me. Coop is the head coach.

I don't think there's enough difference between NHL defenses to really say it's uniquely Blashill's system.

 

Point21

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It's moot to me. Coop is the head coach.

I don't think there's enough difference between NHL defenses to really say it's uniquely Blashill's system.

Zettler was the assistant for Coop in Syracuse before Coop got promoted. he then went to San Jose and then came back in 2020, look at the 2020-2022 teams compared to the 2023-present team. The huge turn-around when Blashill came over is a complete 180
 

Felonious Python

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Zettler was the assistant for Coop in Syracuse before Coop got promoted. he then went to San Jose and then came back in 2020, look at the 2020-2022 teams compared to the 2023-present team. The huge turn-around when Blashill came over is a complete 180
There is definitely correlation, but it doesn't mean causation.

We want Coop to be the guy, but there's a 'I can fix him' energy on here when it comes to his choices of assistants.
 

Bartleby

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The only thing that usually happens is a quick turn around, elevated play, then a coaching carousel when that coach fails. Unless you strike gold, get hot, and win with someone like the Blues did with Berube. That's not the common result though. So, whoever you want probably isn't the coach by 2026/7 if we start doing that. Mid season firings with the hope of turning things around with *this* group isn't going to yield the result you want. Cooper knows how to win and better than any coach in the league. That's a f***ing fact and has a decade of history. So, firing him... who comes in? To replace a mini Bowman esque figure is a hell of a task, too. That's not going to be easy either.

Firing Cooper for JBB constructing a God awful bottom six is dumb. Not calling you dumb, I get your frustrations, but it's a rash decision that doesn't need to be made.
So we just roll on the way we have been for the past three years, is that what you want to see? And there is nothing rash about it, it is completely rational. You say it never works, but I'm pretty sure STL did that very thing right around this time of year with a lineup no better than the Bolts current line-up and won a Cup. Berube had only been an interim NHL head coach before and for less than a full season at that so it can work, that too is a fact.
 

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