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pretty fun highlight
can see him pushing through using his body
didnt liked them using him on pp
good on pk - scoring chance
had some good assist chances
Prospect Info: 10th overall: Vancouver selects Vasili Podkolzin (RW, SKA St. Petersburg)
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pretty fun highlight
can see him pushing through using his body
didnt liked them using him on pp
good on pk - scoring chance
had some good assist chances
Nice to see his motor and power from these highlights, but my oh my would it would good to see some production/finish here.
He looks like Goldy around the net in this tourny. Very poor shots after making amazing plays to get in close. No wonder he struggles to produce.
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Thanks for the highlights boyz. Looks like he needs to be more of a shooter and finish some plays.
Definitely a very nice complimentary guy. Love how he protects the puck really well and can drive play. Should have had a couple apples for sure.
Ice Q strength skating and passing looks solid. Shot needs some work
Definitely a very nice complimentary guy. Love how he protects the puck really well and can drive play. Should have had a couple apples for sure.
Ice Q strength skating and passing looks solid. Shot needs some work
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I'm actually pretty impressed by his decisions with the puck; he might not be showing clinical finishing around the net but he's unlucky to not be producing assists.
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Flashy or not, at 10th overall he needs to be producing in a big way.
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In this tournament, or eventually at the NHL level? He's 18 and two months, and everyone watching the tournament agrees he's playing extremely well and creating lots of chances.
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Highlights packages are always ... highlights, but that's pretty impressive from a single game.
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Top 10 pick can’t put up points. Flashy or not who cares. Need to dominate or at least produce at these tournaments for such a high pick.
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Well ... no, he doesn't. The consensus opinion among people watching the tournament, including hockey journalists, is that he's playing extremely well. Good prospects frequently fail to put up points in international tournaments, which represent tiny sample sizes. He generally has showed well at international tournaments including the World Juniors.
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Flashy? It's not about being flashy. I haven't run the numbers for this game, but several of the plays in that highlight package have high expected goals values. If throughout a game he generated a high xgoals value but did not get any points, he played well, but was unlucky.
In particular, that one cross-ice pass he made where the shooter had 3/4 of the net is probably a goal greater than 70% of the time.
What I liked is that he created a lot of high danger passes. He both made passes in the offensive zone that move the puck quickly from low to high and passes that move the puck across the slot. For a "power" winger of his ilk, the ability to draw players in and effectively dish the puck off is just as important a skill as the ability to drive straight to the net (which he also showed this game). The combination of these two skills can leave a defender without any good options: play the man and he finds the pass, but play the pass and he drives straight to the net. The lack of this type of passing ability is exactly the flaw preventing Virtanen from reaching a new level as a player.
The potential downside is that in drawing defenders in while looking for the pass, at times he left himself vulnerable to potentially devastating hits. It was kind of like watching a young Taylor Hall... Great rushes, but they make you clench your teeth a little more than one would like.
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In case anyone's curious, this is largely what is meant by negativity and toxicity on these boards. By far the majority of people here, including many supposed Benning Bros, agree that Benning has performed badly and that the team would likely be much better off with another GM. People mainly object to posters continuously attempting to define each new event or piece of news as a failure of management, in this case the drafting of Podkolzin, by any pretence necessary, apparently to maintain a state of psychological arousal or anger rather than because they believe it to be true, and often when the event or decision in question is ambiguous or meaningless. We happen to be discussing a particularly dumb example here, but it's often and maybe even most commonly done by posters who appear to be otherwise literate and intelligent.
Eventually yes. But there's a difference between a player who is effective on the ice but can't seem to put goals behind the net or produce offensively, a player like Alexander Steen when he was "the best player in hockey," and somewhere in between.
As you can see from the highlight package he could have easily picked up a few assists in that game. It'll be interesting to see whether he develops more into a goal scorer or playmaker. Podkolzin is a talented prospect and he's a Canuck so I hope we're getting top 3 talent in draft type of player.
As i said with pettersson when these complaints came up about his production in his draft year on international ice in these tournaments, his regular season is what he should be judged on. These one off random tournaments (especially in summer) over such a short sample size wont give us near the information his regular season will.
International tournaments are the only reason he was ranked so high (mainly the 2018 hlinka).
Josepho
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Don't disagree with you here and I wasn't a huge fan of the pick in the first place.
LickTheEnvelope
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Pettersson wasn't all that great in International play right after the Nucks drafted him.
I'm more interested in how Podkolzin does in his regular season.
Well if you were a scout and you go and watch all games and in most games you came away thinking that Podkolzin was the best player on the ice or one of the best players how would you rank him? You then go back and watch the tapes and it confirms what you saw, how would you rank him? You make it sound like Podkolzin being a high ranked prospect is undeserved when it's far from the truth.
At the end of the day it's about how the player projects as an NHL player. Rankings means very little after the draft. Podkolzin wasn't my choice at 10 overall but clearly if you go by "best player on the ice" nominations and rankings he would be one top players in the draft. A lot of posters wanted Boldy instead but how many games was he the best player on the ice? How many important games?
The truth is that in almost every draft, when you get to the 10th overall pick there are plenty of players to choose from with no clear cut BPA. An Anze Kopitar or Filip Forsberg dropping down to 10 doesn't happen often. And in this draft, it's actually Podkolzin who dropped to 10.
In another thread we were discussing Kesler and how at the time he was drafted his offensive potential was seen as more of a 3rd line player. In today's game, ultimate offensive ceiling isn't as valued as a strong 200 foot game. Mark Stone is not considered a dynamic offensive player but he should be considered an elite level 1st line winger. Podkolzin is considered a relenetless 200 foot player who can play on the PK and has high end offensive skills. It's really disingenuos to say that International tournaments are the only reason Podkolzin was ranked so high.
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