10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[HamiltonNHL]

Are people really expecting Keith Pelley to Fire Shanahan and find a New President then GM and Then Coach????

No. Fire Shanny and Keefe only.

 

[Tak7]

Made the playoffs last 8 straight years, who’s his replacement? Or do we worry about that after the fact? Lol

There might not be one - could totally see a scenario where the GM now reports directly to the CEO. The sort of streamlining of the process that Dubas was initially pushing for, ironically.

 

[IPS]

You know that silly conspiracy about Shanahan being some plant to sabotage the Leafs?

I"m actually starting to believe it, and I will fully believe it if Tavares and Marner are brought back and extended.

Stop. Stop right there. Don't you dare lecture ONE goddamn person on this board about the regular season BECAUSE IT'S LITTLE MORE THAN AN 82 GAME QUALIFICATION TOURNAMENT FOR THE REAL, ACTUAL SEASON THAT TRULY MATTERS.

Anyone here play hockey growing up? Yeah? Did you dream of winning the President's Trophy? No, you dreamed of winning the Stanley Cup, a trophy the Leafs haven't won since BEFORE THE GODDAMN MOON LANDING.

This isn't Arizona/Utah, or Buffalo, or Columbus, or some other mediocre and/or new franchise. This is the Toronto Maple Leafs. No team that generates this kind of revenue should be this embarrassing.

We're Canada's Dallas Cowboys, except the Cowboys have actually won multiple Super Bowls in my lifetime. So we're worse. We are worse than the Dallas Cowboys. Awesome. BUT WE ARE GREAT IN THE REGULAR SEASON RIGHT GUYS?

Preach it man, this regular season nonsense is apparantly good enough for some "fans" but for the real ones (like you), it's completely meaningless.

 

[banks]

No. Fire Shanny and Keefe only.

Yep. Tre is new enough that he can stay. But Shanny, Keefe, and probably all the coaching staff should go. I won't pretend to know all of the office and coaching staff, but they should consider replacing pretty much every position.

 

[ToneDog]

If Shanny is at Friday's presser with Pelley and Tre, odds are he is staying. I'm guessing Bell and Rogers decided not to remove that extra layer. Interesting that Pelley is showing up but his predictor never did.

Then again, these are the Leafs, perhaps they are promoting Shanny for a job well done.

I loved Kyper speculation on Pelley asking Shanny to describe his 10 years here and then asking, now tell me who was responsible for the Foligno trade. LOL.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Da issues on this team are all on Shanny and he needs to be demoted and/or relieved of his duties on Friday .. Tre can report to Pelly for a year maybe but it it is probably best to start clean with hiring a new hockey ops guy with a plan to move out Mitch and JT and Rielly

 

[hotpaws]

don't care about Shanny but i have no interest in Pelley supplanting him , don't need a non hockey guy getting involved in hockey decisions

i know the Dubie supporters want revenge for their boi getting kicked to the curb like a piece of garbage but ousting Shanahan to have Pelley replace him isn't going to turn out well

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

The problem isn't even the 'Core Four' it's that this team hasn't played responsible defense with great goaltending for a sustainable amount of time in the entire cap era.

What happens every playoff, other teams play 'low event' hockey or do everything to grind the game to a halt. The Leafs started to play that way for 3 games at the end of this series. They finally got a taste of what it takes to win with on paper a garbage blueline and net.

Except the problem has been the core players and the overall cap structure. Their production falls off a cliff from regular season to the playoffs. The team has scored 26 goals in the last 14 playoff games and the numbers are worse in elimination games over the years.

You want an elite blue line and goalie? Then you cannot have most of the cap tied up to 4-5 players. Otherwise, the players making the most money need to carry the team, which they clearly haven't.

Shanny absolutely deserves blame for doubling down on the core

 

[Daisy Jane]

Yep. Tre is new enough that he can stay. But Shanny, Keefe, and probably all the coaching staff should go. I won't pretend to know all of the office and coaching staff, but they should consider replacing pretty much every position.

honestly no. if you are removing Shanahan. you remove everyone. the new President/GM deserves to have his own people. we keep doing it backward.

 

[socko]

honestly no. if you are removing Shanahan. you remove everyone. the new President/GM deserves to have his own people. we keep doing it backward.

Just get rid of Shanahan's position and you'll get better qualified candidates interested in your GM position. Who wants to work for the meddler whose claim to fame is he was the first ever DOPS guy? GMs want the power to make roster decisions without a guy like Shanahan interfering (even Dubas felt this way). If Tre wants to trade a core player, he needs to have the power to do that. Of course he still has to answer to the board on any large move like that. Just like with any other company.

 

[Metroid]

You know that silly conspiracy about Shanahan being some plant to sabotage the Leafs?

I"m actually starting to believe it, and I will fully believe it if Tavares and Marner are brought back and extended.

He sold his soul to the devil. His prize? Gunning for the commish job, I'm adding this part to the conspiracy as well.

 

[The Masters]

Friedman update on Shanny future:

- There are a lot of rumours staying/leaving but not sure whats true
- if it was simple to answer everything, presser would be today not friday
- thinks stuff is happening this week
- tryna figure out whats going on , doesnt want to jump to conclusions ... but a lot of crazy stuff being thrown around , cant confirm whats true

 

[Maple Leaf]

Nah we are going to run it back!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Daisy Jane]

Just get rid of Shanahan's position and you'll get better qualified candidates interested in your GM position. Who wants to work for the meddler whose claim to fame is he was the first ever DOPS guy? GMs want the power to make roster decisions without a guy like Shanahan interfering (even Dubas felt this way). If Tre wants to trade a core player, he needs to have the power to do that. Of course he still has to answer to the board on any large move like that. Just like with any other company.

but you just said it. he needs the power to do it - but he also has to answer for it. if the board/president/Big Name Owner (OF ANY team) doesn't really like it - do they just go "oh okay go for it?" i don't think so. (but if they do, then i stand corrected)

this isn't me defending Shanahan, less you say i am. but unless it's coming out that Shanahan stopped Dubas from making ANY kind of deal that's one thing. but if stopped him from moving [whomever] because he felt it really wouldn't make the best interest of this team that's his right too, and that's the right of ANY president of hockey ops. not all the time - but on big moves I think so?

but ultimately what i was saying and I've been saying since the leafs got eliminated. you can't just pick and choose who stays. if y'all want Shanahan gone, you clean everything out. him, the entire front office, the entire coaching staff here and the marlies, and you let the New Pres/GM pick everything himself, not this backwards "oh well, when i got hired HE was here, and when i got fired he got to stay." nonsense. so Treliving goes too

 

[socko]

but you just said it. he needs the power to do it - but he also has to answer for it. if the board/president/Big Name Owner (OF ANY team) doesn't really like it - do they just go "oh okay go for it?" i don't think so. (but if they do, then i stand corrected)

this isn't me defending Shanahan, less you say i am. but unless it's coming out that Shanahan stopped Dubas from making ANY kind of deal that's one thing. but if stopped him from moving [whomever] because he felt it really wouldn't make the best interest of this team that's his right too, and that's the right of ANY president of hockey ops. not all the time - but on big moves I think so?

but ultimately what i was saying and I've been saying since the leafs got eliminated. you can't just pick and choose who stays. if y'all want Shanahan gone, you clean everything out. him, the entire front office, the entire coaching staff here and the marlies, and you let the New Pres/GM pick everything himself, not this backwards "oh well, when i got hired HE was here, and when i got fired he got to stay." nonsense. so Treliving goes too

I see what you're saying and if that is the structure they want then so be it. I just see Shanahan as a guy who wants the power of a GM but doesn't actually want to do the work of a GM. That's a great job if you can get it. It's also a job that I don't think the Leafs need. It would be different if Shanahan was some kind of team building legend, but he's not. He's the former DOPS guy that has gotten out of the first round once. My position is to eliminate his position. That way we don't need to start over, we just proceed with Tre making the changes he feels need to be made without Shanny getting in his way. It's pretty telling that Dubas was willing to get fired just for the chance to be rid of Shanny's influence.

 

[colchar]

Interesting that Pelley is showing up but his predictor never did.

Who predicted Pelley?

 

[ToneDog]

Who predicted Pelley?

I might recognize the name if I saw it.

 

[hotpaws]

I see what you're saying and if that is the structure they want then so be it. I just see Shanahan as a guy who wants the power of a GM but doesn't actually want to do the work of a GM. That's a great job if you can get it. It's also a job that I don't think the Leafs need. It would be different if Shanahan was some kind of team building legend, but he's not. He's the former DOPS guy that has gotten out of the first round once. My position is to eliminate his position. That way we don't need to start over, we just proceed with Tre making the changes he feels need to be made without Shanny getting in his way. It's pretty telling that Dubas was willing to get fired just for the chance to be rid of Shanny's influence.

no GM has complete autonomy , this idea that GM's sit in their office busting moves without input from the mgmt team as well as passing it through someone above them is absurd

also this bullshit with Dubas having all his genius moves blocked and only his crap deals being allowed is a fairy tale invented by his PR team at the athletic and then only after his was fired , where were these stories for the 5 yrs he was employed ?

if they eliminate Shanny's position all it means is the GM will report to Pelley which is imo even worse

 

[Racer88]

Stop. Stop right there. Don't you dare lecture ONE goddamn person on this board about the regular season BECAUSE IT'S LITTLE MORE THAN AN 82 GAME QUALIFICATION TOURNAMENT FOR THE REAL, ACTUAL SEASON THAT TRULY MATTERS.

Anyone here play hockey growing up? Yeah? Did you dream of winning the President's Trophy? No, you dreamed of winning the Stanley Cup, a trophy the Leafs haven't won since BEFORE THE GODDAMN MOON LANDING.

This isn't Arizona/Utah, or Buffalo, or Columbus, or some other mediocre and/or new franchise. This is the Toronto Maple Leafs. No team that generates this kind of revenue should be this embarrassing.

We're Canada's Dallas Cowboys, except the Cowboys have actually won multiple Super Bowls in my lifetime. So we're worse. We are worse than the Dallas Cowboys. Awesome. BUT WE ARE GREAT IN THE REGULAR SEASON RIGHT GUYS?

That’s a pretty big assumption that they actually landed on the moon……. I’m in the other camp on that one

 

[Leafsfanperson]

Except the problem has been the core players and the overall cap structure. Their production falls off a cliff from regular season to the playoffs. The team has scored 26 goals in the last 14 playoff games and the numbers are worse in elimination games over the years.

You want an elite blue line and goalie? Then you cannot have most of the cap tied up to 4-5 players. Otherwise, the players making the most money need to carry the team, which they clearly haven't.

Shanny absolutely deserves blame for doubling down on the core

Put other teams superstars under the same microscope, do they hold up? Are you going to cherry pick the outliers that are PPG players in the playoffs? The playoffs =/= regular season, goaltending is more important and defensively sound play.

People are forgetting that his team of 5-8 million dollar players is a blueprint that can sideway real quick. When have you seen Toronto a market that demands instant gratification every second will sign a horrible deal without hesitation to feed the mob. How soon we forget the Muskoka Five and the Clarkson era. That's this market trying to build a deep team. I'm happier with over spending on legit studs than overpaying garbage players.

This market has negative patience, they abandoned the rebuild to commit to 'own rental' and throw away picks for years on rentals and depth pieces.

I want another good defenseman, I though the Leafs should have been all over Lindholm, instead Leafs were content on alternative cheaper options like Muzzin. And get a tender, they should have made a run at Saros imo.

Leafs don't need any more wingers that cost 5 million.

Again, the big three aren't the issue. This team has not put a decent let alone good, let alone great blueliner and Freddie was the only decent goaltender they've had.

I'm fine with trading anyone for a stud blueliner but this just give away Mitch for cap space and everything will change for the better is silly.

And name me the team president that will do better than Shanny? He's lust be another suit for people to get mad at. I'll take Shanny over Richard Peddie and Tim Liewicki. Why does this fanbase pretend a team president it a reasonable target for change? It's like getting mad at the PR team.

 

[socko]

no GM has complete autonomy , this idea that GM's sit in their office busting moves without input from the mgmt team as well as passing it through someone above them is absurd

also this bullshit with Dubas having all his genius moves blocked and only his crap deals being allowed is a fairy tale invented by his PR team at the athletic and then only after his was fired , where were these stories for the 5 yrs he was employed ?

if they eliminate Shanny's position all it means is the GM will report to Pelley which is imo even worse

I'm pretty sure that Yzerman has the power to do what he wants. He may not be doing that great of a job but he has nobody to blame but himself. As for bullcrap, Shanahan must be pretty good at it to still have a job. That plus butt kissing.

 

[hotpaws]

I'm pretty sure that Yzerman has the power to do what he wants. He may not be doing that great of a job but he has nobody to blame but himself. As for bullcrap, Shanahan must be pretty good at it to still have a job. That plus butt kissing.

Shanny should be fired for promoting Dubas , not for having deals passed through him , take a look at the summer Dubas had in Pit and ask yourself if you think it would have been a good idea if he just had to report to the board here .

Yzerman/Poile/Lou earned the power to have more autonomy than most GM's , they weren't just handed that as rookie GM's .

 

[socko]

Shanny should be fired for promoting Dubas , not for having deals passed through him , take a look at the summer Dubas had in Pit and ask yourself if you think it would have been a good idea if he just had to report to the board here .

Yzerman/Poile/Lou earned the power to have more autonomy than most GM's , they weren't just handed that as rookie GM's .

I'm as far from a Dubas fan as you can find. I just don't think anymore of Shanahan than I do Dubas. What did he do to deserve power? If Shanny is qualified to be a GM, why isn't he the GM? He doesn't like to work that hard? I don't understand why he is here. He has believed in this core more than anyone. He should be fired today.

 

[IPS]

no GM has complete autonomy , this idea that GM's sit in their office busting moves without input from the mgmt team as well as passing it through someone above them is absurd

also this bullshit with Dubas having all his genius moves blocked and only his crap deals being allowed is a fairy tale invented by his PR team at the athletic and then only after his was fired , where were these stories for the 5 yrs he was employed ?

if they eliminate Shanny's position all it means is the GM will report to Pelley which is imo even worse

How often do you read about other teams firing their GM's and the fanbase blaming the president for not letting them fully work their magic (for lack of a better term).

Almost never, it's another Dubie exclusive excuse. Apparantly he doesn't have "full autonomy" in Pittsburgh either.

 

[myleafs]

Nah we are going to run it back!!!!!!!!!!!!

winner winner chicken dinner