GDT: 10/4/24 - 7:00PM EDT - Tampa Bay @ Carolina [Preseason Game 6]

[LordStanlersCup]

What is the hype around Groshev based around? He's a few months away from turning 23 so not exactly some super young talent at this point, could never cut it in the KHL (which is of a significantly lower quality than a few years back), and his AHL numbers are nothing to write home about. Is there something behind his mediocre production that should be looked into?

I wrote about it in my prospect rankings, the tldr is just super limited ice time and poor deployment has severly limited his numbers

He's a main character right now. Playing on a line with Geekie has gotten him increased attention.

We don't really talk about Ylonen, Gauthier, or Goncalves. Gauthier can only go back to junior hockey. We're keeping him from an in-progress QMJHL season, so he must have some sort of shot.

I mean he was also tied for the most points in the prospect showcase last year and played well in the preseason then too

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

I still don't know what Sheary does that makes him successful in any facet of the game. I like Groshev, I have for a while. If he's not somebody you believe in, that's fine, but I don't see any positives whatsoever when it comes to Sheary. He wasn't just terrible last year because he was injured, or hit a cold streak. He was terrible because he doesn't do anything. He needs to shoot more, he needs to be willing to go to the dirty areas of the ice, he needs to protect the puck better. He's actually a pretty good skater, but can you navigate the ice? Last night he gets the puck and runs right into the back of Paul. Atkinson almost got rewarded for going to the net last night. Atkinson had a terrible year last season too, but something like that can help you break a slump. Sheary's not going to get those bounces because he doesn't put himself in situations to even have that chance. It's in everybody's best interest that Sheary has a turnaround year, but through 5 preseason games, his play so far has indicated that he's likely more of the same we saw in 2023-24. And with 5 preseason games I'm not sure how to read into that. Is he fighting for a spot, or are they just trying to get him as many games as possible to get him going? We made a mistake with Namestnikov, and we moved on. We made a mistake with Jeannot, and we moved on. Namestnikov has been a better for Winnipeg, and I hope Jeannot gets it together with LA. If Sheary is moved but finds a better spot somewhere else, good for him, but I don't feel confident with him right now.

 

[Felonious Python]

I still don't know what Sheary does that makes him successful in any facet of the game. I like Groshev, I have for a while. If he's not somebody you believe in, that's fine, but I don't see any positives whatsoever when it comes to Sheary. He wasn't just terrible last year because he was injured, or hit a cold streak. He was terrible because he doesn't do anything. He needs to shoot more, he needs to be willing to go to the dirty areas of the ice, he needs to protect the puck better. He's actually a pretty good skater, but can you navigate the ice? Last night he gets the puck and runs right into the back of Paul. Atkinson almost got rewarded for going to the net last night. Atkinson had a terrible year last season too, but something like that can help you break a slump. Sheary's not going to get those bounces because he doesn't put himself in situations to even have that chance. It's in everybody's best interest that Sheary has a turnaround year, but through 5 preseason games, his play so far has indicated that he's likely more of the same we saw in 2023-24. And with 5 preseason games I'm not sure how to read into that. Is he fighting for a spot, or are they just trying to get him as many games as possible to get him going? We made a mistake with Namestnikov, and we moved on. We made a mistake with Jeannot, and we moved on. Namestnikov has been a better for Winnipeg, and I hope Jeannot gets it together with LA. If Sheary is moved but finds a better spot somewhere else, good for him, but I don't feel confident with him right now.

What was Sheary's role with Crosby? Sheary might need more guidance from the coaching staff, or the main guy on his line, to narrow down a role.

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It seems like the Crosby-Sheary partnership was that Crosby would pass the puck, and Sheary would shoot it. He's a discount Brayden Point.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

What was Sheary's role with Crosby? Sheary might need more guidance from the coaching staff, or the main guy on his line, to narrow down a role.

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It seems like the Crosby-Sheary partnership was that Crosby would pass the puck, and Sheary would shoot it. He's a discount Brayden Point.

Crosby is Crosby though. Same could be said for Sheary playing mainly with Ovechkin in 2023. That's 2 of the best players of all time. So could you put him with Kucherov for 10-15 goals? Maybe, but why even? It just doesn't make sense to let the guy ride sidecar to another hall of famer while Kuch and Point essentially do all the work. And that's more so the problem. Not that he doesn't score, but he doesn't do any of the work for his line. He drags a line down.

 

[Felonious Python]

Crosby is Crosby though. Same could be said for Sheary playing mainly with Ovechkin in 2023. That's 2 of the best players of all time. So could you put him with Kucherov for 10-15 goals? Maybe, but why even? It just doesn't make sense to let the guy ride sidecar to another hall of famer while Kuch and Point essentially do all the work. And that's more so the problem. Not that he doesn't score, but he doesn't do any of the work for his line. He drags a line down.

I'm not thinking Kuch, but he might be able to find a role in the right circle on PP2.

Guentzel-Cirelli-Sheary has to be tried at some point.

 

[Rschmitz]

I'm not thinking Kuch, but he might be able to find a role in the right circle on PP2.

Guentzel-Cirelli-Sheary has to be tried at some point.

 

[Felonious Python]

Should Geekie makes the team, then they could switch him out for Cirelli.

If the idea is to maximize Conor Sheary, he needs someone who can pass it to him and Kuch and Point are busy.

I don't know if the juice is even worth the squeeze. Sheary may have excelled in an era where teams didn't value one-timers so much. Now that's everybody and he's outclassed.

 

[LordStanlersCup]

Should Geekie makes the team, then they could switch him out for Cirelli.

If the idea is to maximize Conor Sheary, he needs someone who can pass it to him and Kuch and Point are busy.

I don't know if the juice is even worth the squeeze. Sheary may have excelled in an era where teams didn't value one-timers so much. Now that's everybody and he's outclassed.

I mean I don't think sheary has ever excelled, 40 points on a wing with Crosby and Ovi is not good. Maroon put up similar numbers with McDavid

 

[Master P]

I mean I don't think sheary has ever excelled, 40 points on a wing with Crosby and Ovi is not good. Maroon put up similar numbers with McDavid

So what you're saying is, put Sheary with Kuch.

 

[Sky04]

Sheary averaged 17 goals and 40 points a season on a 1.5M contract for 2 years, or the 53 points he had in 61 games on a league minimum? how is that not excelling? Some people

 

[LordStanlersCup]

Sheary averaged 17 goals and 40 points a season on a 1.5M contract for 2 years, or the 53 points he had in 61 games on a league minimum? how is that not excelling? Some people

okay I wasn't sure at first but now I know you're trolling

 

[Sky04]

okay I wasn't sure at first but now I know you're trolling

No do tell how someone averaging 40 points a season on a 1.5m contract is not excelling. Or are you trolling?

 

[Rschmitz]

Sheary averaged 17 goals and 40 points a season on a 1.5M contract for 2 years, or the 53 points he had in 61 games on a league minimum? how is that not excelling? Some people

I'd be more than happy if he could mimic that 82 game avg, but those stats are sprinkled with outliers playing with HOF'ers and his best days seem to be behind him. The player on the ice right now looks diminished.

Still, I think the bottom line is he has the track record as an NHL quality player and should get the benefit of the doubt over rookies who've aren't forcing any tough moves for the GM to make. If Sheary can replicate what he did in Washington on the third line, that is money well spent.

No do tell how someone averaging 40 points a season on a 1.5m contract is not excelling. Or are you trolling?

LOL come on now Sky, the gig is up

 

[LordStanlersCup]

No do tell how someone averaging 40 points a season on a 1.5m contract is not excelling. Or are you trolling?

1) What does someone's contract have to do with how well they are playing hockey?
2) I already tried to explain to you how important TOI, linemates and Powerplay minutes are to a players production

If you just baited me again then touche, but this is the last time i'm falling for it

 

[Sky04]

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I'd be more than happy if he could mimic that 82 game avg, but those stats are sprinkled with outliers playing with HOF'ers and his best days seem to be behind him. The player on the ice right now looks diminished.

Still, I think the bottom line is he has the track record as an NHL quality player and should get the benefit of the doubt over rookies who've aren't forcing any tough moves for the GM to make. If Sheary can replicate what he did in Washington on the third line, that is money well spent.

Well yeah pretty much bang on.

Not sure how anyone thinks playing with current late 30's Ovechkin especially as a low skill player is supposed to inflate your totals though. Stamkos is a future HOFer too is anyone here seriously going to argue he's had any major impact on his linemates production?

 

[OffBy1]

After Sheary was a healthy scratch for multiple games last year, he better be busting his ass to make a good impression this preseason. I doubt it's a coincidence than Sheary is the only veteran forward to play in 5 preseason games thus far. Groshev has been impactful in some of the games I've seen, where Sheary has looked every bit as ineffective as his 0 points and -1 in those five games indicates.