Post-Game Talk: #10 - 10/29/19 | lightning @ RANGERS

[Shesterkybomb]

That would be fine but he doesn't excel at being a bottom 6 center.

He's awful defensively, he's a bad PKer, I'm not sure he knows where the boards are.

I don't think it's necessarily his fault. He's been rewarded for bad habits. It's the opposite of the new things we've seen from Chytil.

That's an opinion I dont share. Watching any player through a microscope will show mistakes that every other player is making but amplifies it on that one player. He has been fine, and its his 2nd year in the NHL, there are bound to be bumps in the road. I just hate that one game defines a player around here, Strome was awful, then he was good and then he has an off game last night and he is terrible again. Its mind boggling. The coaching staff is much brighter than all the house league coaches here give them credit for, the arent playing him because he is bad.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I think the organization likes Strome and he was never dangled in trade talks.

I think he may be here longer than we realize. I’m sure they’d love for Howden or Lias to take that 3C role and run with it but Strome can play there can play wing pretty versatile player in the middle 6. He may be back next year wouldn’t surprise me.

as an early strome adopter/defender, i agree. hes playing for a new deal and he loves ny. he wants to stay here.


i think this guy plays a smart 2 way game. hes good on the dot and sound in all 3 zones. hes got enough offense to play with talented wingers and hes smart enough to adapt. hes a valuable guy and making he most of of his opportunity.

 

[JimmyG89]

Howden had spurts last night, but overall his game wasn't good. His ice time has dropped and if Andersson does keep doing what he did last night, a swap will be coming sooner rather than later.

Chytil looked like he did in Hartford. Quick to pucks, making plays all over the ice. He does this and there will be no 2C concerns this season. I'd expect it in bursts as well. Hard for a 20 year old to be consistent with that kind of play. If he does, could be something special.

The defense was fantastic last night. Amazing what having 6 guys that can skate can do. Really got pinned in their end only a few times, and the goal was basically given away by Strome not knowing what to do with the puck, with time, and backhand flipping the puck and not clearing it. He might want to stay in NY and is motivated to produce cause of a new contract coming, but we're not going to be the ones to give it to him. Trade bait for a contending team, hopefully. Once Mika is back, he's going to lose his time. Maybe he'll be moved to wing.

 

[Machinehead]

That's an opinion I dont share. Watching any player through a microscope will show mistakes that every other player is making but amplifies it on that one player. He has been fine, and its his 2nd year in the NHL, there are bound to be bumps in the road. I just hate that one game defines a player around here, Strome was awful, then he was good and then he has an off game last night and he is terrible again. Its mind boggling. The coaching staff is much brighter than all the house league coaches here give them credit for, the arent playing him because he is bad.

At least I'm consistent with the players I think are bad

 

[Leonardo87]

as an early strome adopter/defender, i agree. hes playing for a new deal and he loves ny. he wants to stay here.

Strome playing more like a 2c than a 3C as of late. 8 points (3 G, 5 A) in his last 5 games. Hopefully he can keep it up.

 

[The Mouth]

Strome has done nothing but good things since being traded here but he still gets vilified by pedestrian Ranger fans . I also like this guys attitude. He is probably one of the most upbeat players on the team. Is he the ideal #2 center ? No. But the guy has produced.

 

[Levitate]

We shouldn’t make too much of it as it’s a one off so far, but it’s a pretty big deal that they outplayed a team like TB while playing a roster that was 1/3 21 years old or less. Good sign.

Having said that, TB needs to get it together before they blow this whole window. They’re lacking something in a big way. I’m all too happy to watch them blow it because I find their fan base on here mostly unbearable but in an objective big picture view as a hockey fan, it’s going to be a shame if they can’t get a championship out of these lineups.

Honestly think Cooper is not the coach to get them over the hump and it might be too late at this point. Too much signing every player they can get their hands on and trying to create a super team these past few years

 

[Ola]

He's not getting anywhere near 6-7M long term. Trouba just got 8M and Josi just got 9M as far more established players.

Maybe, but those contracts carry many risky “over-the-hill”-years. If we inked TDA now we get all his prime years and then he is off the books totally when it starts to get risky.

 

[Gresch04]

Sure but if this is a "development year" we should be giving rookies / young players extended looks instead of deferring to vets, otherwise what exactly are we developing?

I don't disagree with the fact that Kakko shouldn't be on the top line and it's mostly his own fault but I think this logic is self-defeating.

Agreed. You learn more by doing than watching. You should only watch when it's effort related, not experience related.

 

[haveandare]

Honestly think Cooper is not the coach to get them over the hump and it might be too late at this point. Too much signing every player they can get their hands on and trying to create a super team these past few years

Agreed. Cooper is very similar to late AV on the Rangers. His team rarely looks ready to play at the start of games and has that "aw shucks, we'll get em next time" attitude when their opponents take the play to them and don't let them play pond hockey. I wonder how much having some of our old leadership group plays into that too.

After the utter embarrassment they had handed to them int he playoffs, you'd think they'd come into this year on fire but they started pretty weak. Hard to say if it's the players or the coach or both but they don't have the fire needed to go all the way.

 

[Levitate]

re: Howden, I feel like the coaching staffs "different players need different development approaches" is in play here and they feel like he just needs to play his way through his mistakes rather than be sent down, etc. Which I don't really agree with but maybe it's something where he's really good in practice and does all the stuff they want him to do and they feel like he just needs the game time to figure out how to put it together.

 

[Leetch3]

I think the organization likes Strome and he was never dangled in trade talks.

I think he may be here longer than we realize. I’m sure they’d love for Howden or Lias to take that 3C role and run with it but Strome can play there can play wing pretty versatile player in the middle 6. He may be back next year wouldn’t surprise me.

I don't think he was ever dangled cause his ability to provide insurance/depth at center particularly 2C made his value to us more than his trade value...as the kids (hopefully) establish themselves down the middle that might change.

 

[BKGooner]

You still play your way through your mistakes in the AHL, but the ramifications aren't as severe. Then when you get it there,you try at NHL speed and make sure the adjustments work.

 

[Machinehead]

Strome has done nothing but good things since being traded here but he still gets vilified by pedestrian Ranger fans . I also like this guys attitude. He is probably one of the most upbeat players on the team. Is he the ideal #2 center ? No. But the guy has produced.

 

[Machinehead]

The SCF stat that is widely used is just bad. 46% of shot attempts this season have been classified as scoring chances. How does that make any sense? The definition is way too loose. Teams are averaging 1.98 5v5 goals/game and 20.2 5v5 scoring chances/game. Doesn't make sense. How can it be a scoring chance if only 10% of them turn into goals?

xGF is a little bit better. That said, you can still inflate xGF just by doing a lot of useless corsi.

Although I will say that 10% is probably about accurate tbh. That's a .900 save percentage. You're not holding a job in the NHL with a .900 save percentage.

So yeah, if an NHL goalie is stopping it 9/10 times, it's probably a scoring chance.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

re: Howden, I feel like the coaching staffs "different players need different development approaches" is in play here and they feel like he just needs to play his way through his mistakes rather than be sent down, etc. Which I don't really agree with but maybe it's something where he's really good in practice and does all the stuff they want him to do and they feel like he just needs the game time to figure out how to put it together.

Yea I see the argument but I don't like it when it takes ice time away from those who seem to have earned a promotion (Lias). I could be wrong, but I gather that Lias is also a guy who does all the right things in practice.

 

[duhmetreE]

Strome could be that 'Stepan-tier' 2C.

but HF hates who they hate and loves who they love. He's not a flashy player but he gets the job done.

 

[Machinehead]

Strome could be that 'Stepan-tier' 2C.

but HF hates who they hate and loves who they love. He's not a flashy player but he gets the job done.

Strome's career high is 50 points in 81 games.

Stepan averaged 57 points per 81 games with the Rangers.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Ryan Strome puts up 50 points this year that's a coup. So far, he is well on his way.

 

[duhmetreE]

Strome's career high is 50 points in 81 games.

Stepan averaged 57 points per 81 games with the Rangers.

now take away PP points. Stepan was used as a 1C on PP1. Strome will not be used in that scenario. What's Stepans numbers not being on PP1 in Arizona?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don't think he was ever dangled cause his ability to provide insurance/depth at center particularly 2C made his value to us more than his trade value...as the kids (hopefully) establish themselves down the middle that might change.

Exactly. Strome was always the safety net. If Chytil emerges as 2C, Strome’s role changes.

 

[Machinehead]

now take away PP points. Stepan was used as a 1C on PP1. Strome will not be used in that scenario. What's Stepans numbers not being on PP1 in Arizona?

Ok.

Stepan averaged 42 non-PP points per season with the Rangers. (Stepan's PP production was never anything special)

The most Strome has ever had is 41.

Stepan has declined with Arizona for sure, but comparing Strome to Rangers Stpean is insulting to Stepan.

 

[duhmetreE]

Ok.

Stepan averaged 42 non-PP points per season with the Rangers. (Stepan's PP production was never anything special)

The most Strome has ever had is 41.

Stepan has declined with Arizona for sure, but comparing Strome to Rangers Stpean is insulting to Stepan.

No, its not.

Stepan was a middle-6 center that was seen through rose-colored glasses because he 'was our own homegrown'

 

[Machinehead]

No, its not.

Stepan was a middle-6 center that was seen through rose-colored glasses because he 'was our own homegrown'

Strome is a 3rd/4th line center seen through rose-colored glasses because we're garbage and have to play him.

I'm not even a Stepan fan. He did absolutely everything better than Strome.

 

[ponytrekker]

which stats? Because Georgiev has the better Gaa and way way better sav%. You want to talk about high danger chances of which many happen due to hank flailing causing chaos and giving up monster rebounds? I mean which stats are you looking at?

not to mention the eye test is clear as day who’s playing better who’s having a calming influence on the team. Hank was equally responsible for his team falling apart in that Boston game. If he lets that goal in and brushes it off instead of losing his mind he makes that next save. Then who knows.

Georgie seems to have a very good knack for stopping the play when we need him to.