GDT: 1/25/25 - 7:00PM EDT - Tampa Bay @ Detroit

Serg was supposed to take over and be the guy and Hedman was supposed to be a second pair guy . That’s why i didn’t understand bringing an older Mac back in the fold . Moser and geekie I guess hopefully will improve

Hedman shouldn't have dropped off this much
 
all goalies are having the game of there lives vs us daily
Nah, a few have, but tonight Tampa also failed to bury 3 or 4 that are in the back of the net 95% of the time. It was just one of those games. For the 2nd half of another b2b, it was a solid effort for the most part. They can still finish over .500 for the month if they win the next couple at home. They remain in a playoff spot and will get Moser back soon. As long as a F or two get added, preferably sooner rather than later, they'll be good for another run at it.
 
They are gonna trip at the finish line and miss playoffs. Book it
Yeah that's obvious. last year they were terrible too but more clutch. This year it looks like they will find a way to lose any game, blow any lead, miss 20 empty net shots etc. just can't win. With Stamkos gone this team has lost not only PP goals but balls. Hedman is not captain material
 
Serg was supposed to take over and be the guy and Hedman was supposed to be a second pair guy . That’s why i didn’t understand bringing an older Mac back in the fold . Moser and geekie I guess hopefully will improve
The value itself of the trade is justifiable but it's pretty glaring in the here & now. Raddysh is actually a pretty solid PP point man to have on the top unit so it's not a complete void in Serg's absence, but there are levels and it's clear that we took a step back in that regard. Sergachev basically cancels out our ability to sign Guentzel, and while Moser is good and Geekie has a bright future, I don't believe for one second that we would be in worse shape this season with Serg instead.
 
Serg was supposed to take over and be the guy and Hedman was supposed to be a second pair guy . That’s why i didn’t understand bringing an older Mac back in the fold . Moser and geekie I guess hopefully will improve
Moser was fantastic before the injury, so I expect he'll be fine once he's back. Geekie is still a rookie, so no doubt his game will only get better. Hedman made a mistake there, but it's not as though Serg probably wouldn't have blundered 2 or 3 times as well giving up good chances.
 
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The January gauntlet is pretty much over now, and there's a 2 week break coming up in February, so maybe it's moot at this point, but I would have liked to seen more call ups once Goncalves went back to Syracuse. Obviously fatigue played such a big factor this month that we could have used a few sets of fresh legs. Maybe give Finley more than a 1 game look? The top 2 prospects in Syracuse Duke and Huuhtanen have been injured and just came back this week, but what about Fortier or Ylonen? It's not like they want Atkinson on the ice anyway. Can't help but think of last season too around this time when the Bolts called up Lilleberg, Chaffee, Crozier, Carlile, Thompson, and Goncalves and the spark that provided from just having guys being excited to see the kids get their shots.
 
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Moser was fantastic before the injury, so I expect he'll be fine once he's back. Geekie is still a rookie, so no doubt his game will only get better. Hedman made a mistake there, but it's not as though Serg probably wouldn't have blundered 2 or 3 times as well giving up good chances.
Fantastic is extreme. Solid, respectable...but still 4th best D on the team until proven otherwise. Nice player but nowhere remotely close to being on the same tier. I'm not trying to distract from this single game tonight but people don't give enough respect to how special of a player Sergachev is. When I see Hedman repeatedly mishandle pucks or bomb shots from the center point with zero chance of going in the net, I reminisce a bit. He is just wasting plays lately, killing good work.

He knows how to pass the puck to Stamkos and Kucherov, and is great at stretch passes, but man oh man he is struggling lately with the puck.
 
it's going to be fun to look back on these threads when our schedule stops being complete ass and we go on another run

Your idea of fun is to read people bitching? :laugh:

Fantastic is extreme. Solid, respectable...but still 4th best D on the team until proven otherwise. Nice player but nowhere remotely close to being on the same tier. I'm not trying to distract from this single game tonight but people don't give enough respect to how special of a player Sergachev is. When I see Hedman repeatedly mishandle pucks or bomb shots from the center point with zero chance of going in the net, I reminisce a bit. He is just wasting plays lately, killing good work.

He knows how to pass the puck to Stamkos and Kucherov, and is great at stretch passes, but man oh man he is struggling lately with the puck.

Defensively Moser was in a different zipcode compared to Sergachev, and he knew how to get the puck quickly up the ice which most of our other D forget how to do. His presence in the lineup once he returns will be palpable
 
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Fantastic is extreme. Solid, respectable...but still 4th best D on the team until proven otherwise. Nice player but nowhere remotely close to being on the same tier. I'm not trying to distract from this single game tonight but people don't give enough respect to how special of a player Sergachev is. When I see Hedman repeatedly mishandle pucks or bomb shots from the center point with zero chance of going in the net, I reminisce a bit. He is just wasting plays lately, killing good work.

He knows how to pass the puck to Stamkos and Kucherov, and is great at stretch passes, but man oh man he is struggling lately with the puck.

The player Sergachev is now or the player he was when he was here? Because there’s a massive difference between the two.
 
Fantastic is extreme. Solid, respectable...but still 4th best D on the team until proven otherwise. Nice player but nowhere remotely close to being on the same tier. I'm not trying to distract from this single game tonight but people don't give enough respect to how special of a player Sergachev is. When I see Hedman repeatedly mishandle pucks or bomb shots from the center point with zero chance of going in the net, I reminisce a bit. He is just wasting plays lately, killing good work.

He knows how to pass the puck to Stamkos and Kucherov, and is great at stretch passes, but man oh man he is struggling lately with the puck.
Moser is better than Cernak imo. And regardless of how "special" Serg may be, let's not pretend that this board wasn't riddled with posts following gamed where his numerous mistakes, often in his own zone, were costly to the team (or nearly so).
 
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Moser is better than Cernak imo. And regardless of how "special" Serg may be, let's not pretend that this board wasn't riddled with posts following gamed where his numerous mistakes, often in his own zone, were costly to the team (or nearly so).
It's funny how shortsighted we get as sports fans, Serg literally lost the PP1 spot (after winning it the season before) last year because he was atrocious on it.
 
The player Sergachev is now or the player he was when he was here? Because there’s a massive difference between the two.

He's the same guy but gets #1 minutes. Contrary to popular belief he's not exactly lighting the world on fire in Utah, Raddysh has replaced most of the offensive upside he offered the team IMO.
 
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Your idea of fun is to read people bitching? :laugh:



Defensively Moser was in a different zipcode compared to Sergachev, and he knew how to get the puck quickly up the ice which most of our other D forget how to do. His presence in the lineup once he returns will be palpable
Dead wrong imo. Has everything to do with roles and depth on their respective teams. Moser is not some defensive stalwart, he compliments Hedman nicely but the zip code comment is just off the charts blatantly wrong. I'm not trying to disparage Moser but this notion that Serg can't defend is utterly false, and his injury riddled season heavily skewed things in terms of fan perception. The year prior, he was the best blueliner of the season for TB. He was always destined to be a pure #1 d-man, a horse, and it was clear as day to anyone with a set of eyes.

Multi quotes give me trouble but I'm addressing Stelio too.

There is a reason Sergachev is playing some of the most minutes in the league and has emerged as the clear #1 immediately of Utah. Moser is not on the same level as a player and isn't better in a single facet of the game, no matter how much TB fans try to spin it.

Like I said, I understand the value of the trade and JBB's logic behind it, but Sergachev is one of the most valuable D in the game.
 
Moser is better than Cernak imo. And regardless of how "special" Serg may be, let's not pretend that this board wasn't riddled with posts following gamed where his numerous mistakes, often in his own zone, were costly to the team (or nearly so).
I think more time is needed to put him above Cernak but he could supplant him as a #3 in due time, we'll see. This board being riddled with moronic posts about Sergachev in years past means nothing, just like people criticized the likes of Palat, Gourde, Killorn etc and it was so obviously wrong it wasn't even funny. He is a bona fide #1 d-man in all situations as anyone with a brain knew would happen. That's why Utah made the move, they knew he is one of the best young D in the league. Let's see how people feel when Hedman and McDonagh are cooked.

I feel bad because I like Moser and he could end up being a nice complimentary # 2 for years to come, but I've had enough of the BS about Sergachev being some unreliable one-trick pony. The Lightning fans you reference were flat out wrong about Sergachev just like these goofballs who talk about firing Cooper, the team is cooked etc. Those opinions deserve no respect.
 
Dead wrong imo. Has everything to do with roles and depth on their respective teams. Moser is not some defensive stalwart, he compliments Hedman nicely but the zip code comment is just off the charts blatantly wrong. I'm not trying to disparage Moser but this notion that Serg can't defend is utterly false, and his injury riddled season heavily skewed things in terms of fan perception. The year prior, he was the best blueliner of the season for TB. He was always destined to be a pure #1 d-man, a horse, and it was clear as day to anyone with a set of eyes.

Multi quotes give me trouble but I'm addressing Stelio too.

There is a reason Sergachev is playing some of the most minutes in the league and has emerged as the clear #1 immediately of Utah. Moser is not on the same level as a player and isn't better in a single facet of the game, no matter how much TB fans try to spin it.

Like I said, I understand the value of the trade and JBB's logic behind it, but Sergachev is one of the most valuable D in the game.

There is no questioning Sergachev's offensive upside and latent ability, I predicted he'd score 60 points this year. He's still egregiously guilty of lackadaisical play and bad positional awareness. At the worst of times, he's a meme. While Moser isn't Lidstrom, he's a calming force back there and doesn't make mistakes, an excellent PMD who can get the puck up to our more skilled forwards. Sergachev may be the better overall talent with #1 potential, but in terms of his deployment ,nobody should be questioning that he's been a clear upgrade. Sergachev wasn't going to get the PP and offensive zone draws with Hedman here.
 
I think more time is needed to put him above Cernak but he could supplant him as a #3 in due time, we'll see. This board being riddled with moronic posts about Sergachev in years past means nothing, just like people criticized the likes of Palat, Gourde, Killorn etc and it was so obviously wrong it wasn't even funny. He is a bona fide #1 d-man in all situations as anyone with a brain knew would happen. That's why Utah made the move, they knew he is one of the best young D in the league. Let's see how people feel when Hedman and McDonagh are cooked.

I feel bad because I like Moser and he could end up being a nice complimentary # 2 for years to come, but I've had enough of the BS about Sergachev being some unreliable one-trick pony. The Lightning fans you reference were flat out wrong about Sergachev just like these goofballs who talk about firing Cooper, the team is cooked etc. Those opinions deserve no respect.
Serg was overpaid for what he brought. He made plenty of gaffes in Tampa. He is a good offensive dman, but if ppl want to start criticizing Hedman, well Serg made just as many, if not more.
 
I've taken the liberty of ordering 400 gallons of below delivered to Lightning.
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Serg was supposed to take over and be the guy and Hedman was supposed to be a second pair guy . That’s why i didn’t understand bringing an older Mac back in the fold . Moser and geekie I guess hopefully will improve

It's because he didn't and was a waste of capspace.
 

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