03 Lemieux vs 07 Crosby vs 14 Crosby

Which season is best of the three options?


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Reindl87

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The 02/03 season is a tale of two seasons for Lemieux.
In the first third of the season Lemieux was absolutely relectric, putting up absurd numbers at the height of the dead puck era at age 37. He was runnings circles around everyone in the scoring race.
However, Lemieux then lost Kovalev and Morozov and his magig was totally gone. His scoring totally fell off.
Mario was still an absolute elite player when sourrunded with top palyers. He couldn`t carry average players anymore, though.
This was also evident in 05/06.
 

Hockey Outsider

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Lemieux’s first 40ish games were crazy, but he completely fell off the back 20 to the point he wasn't really a first line player anymore.
I took another look at the splits, and you're right. I remembered Lemieux slowing down, but not nearly this dramatically:

First 28 games: 16 goals, 39 assists, 55 points
Next 24 games: 9 goals, 19 assists, 28 points
Final 15 games: 3 goals, 5 assists, 8 points

Yes, I cherry-picked those games to illustrate the point, but it shows how much Lemieux declined. (He went from 1.96 to 1.17 to 0.53 PPG - or a pace of 161, 96 and 44 points per 82 games). For context, with 161 points he would have easily won the Art Ross, with 96 he would have been a top ten scorer, and the 44 points is just ugly.
 

Albatros

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They traded Kovalev back to the Rangers at that point, so it's not just that Lemieux wasn't a first-line caliber player but the whole first line went to shit. Lemieux (0+4) and Kovalev (2+2) shared all four points in their last game together.
 
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Mrb1p

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Not sure why we are comparing Crosby's best full seasons to a partial season for Lemieux. Personally, I think 2010-11 was Crosby at his best....but only half a season. He still led his team in scoring by 16pts even though he missed half the year.
Yes, 2011 is clearly sids best season.
 

Video Nasty

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They traded Kovalev back to the Rangers at that point, so it's not just that Lemieux wasn't a first-line caliber player but the whole first line went to shit. Lemieux (0+4) and Kovalev (2+2) shared all four points in their last game together.

To add on to this, Lemieux missed 15 games and still factored in on 48% of Pittsburgh’s production.

Through 28 games, he had 55 points…on 83 Pittsburgh goals—a staggering 66%.

Kovalev was the only player on the team who reached 20 goals—Straka and Hrdina were the only others who crossed 10. Any good players they had were also injured, or got shipped out. Lemieux’s line was literally their only production. It took Lemieux all the way to the beginning of the second half to start missing time and once that started, and teammates endured injuries as well, that contributed to Kovalev and Straka getting shipped out, and then his steep decline for the remainder of a fractured second half when he did manage to play.

That’s an insane ask for a 37 year old player to do all season long. I’ve long felt this is some of his finest work, when taking context into account. It’s generally forgotten about considering the second half plunge happened to coincide with Forsberg’s furious second half that culminated in swiping the Hart and Art Ross from Naslund, who was in the drivers seat once Lemieux’s first bout of missed time happened.
 

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