“It could go to $9M… Sign Knies first and see what’s leftover… because he’s going to get offer sheeted.”

[Menzinger]

The playing field has changed since those signings. The rising salary cap, and rising salary cap projections, will inflate all new contracts signed this year. Knies will get something similar to what Rossi and Peterka will. yopu could argue that rossi is worth more because he is a Center, and Peterka more because he will have had two vg years, not just one, but GM's love players with Knies's size.

All three of those player should get somewhere between 7-8M x8 at a minimum from their own teams. 8.5M, maybe. That leaves a window from 8.5-9.16M for a team to swoop in with an offer. I would think that all three teams might hold their nose and match.

After 9.16, the comp is 2 1sts, 1 2nd, 1 3rd. If the team involved is a good one, the picks aren't worth as much, but a lot of the good teams have moved a lot of their picks, and won't be able to OS in that amount. If the team is a less successful one, and likely to have higher draft picks, then you take the picks.

That's more based on speculation than anything tangible though. We just watched a legit Star player sign a contract perfectly in line with the moderate estimates for an extension with Rantanen, he wasn't pushing the limit to hit 14 mil like some media folks were hinting at

Some folks are presuming GMs will act differently about offer sheets due to the changing cap situation, but that's also fair from certain.

GMs still have strong incentives to tacitly collude on stuff like avoiding them. Everyone has rfas every off-season to deal with, and few want to actively have to worry every year about losing them

The Leafs will have the cap space to match any conceivable offer sheet for Knies this summer - should they wish to. And I'm wary of the idea of any team wanting to open themselves up to retaliation from the richest team in the world by doing one out of spite (there's a reason why no leaf player has ever signed one in the cap era)

 

[darrylsittler27]

I really like Knives but what's the compensation on 9 million?

 

[Hellcat]

I really like Knives but what's the compensation on 9 million?

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

Scroll down... with the teams listed, that have the picks for the offer sheet.

 

[darrylsittler27]

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

Scroll down... with the teams listed, that have the picks for the offer sheet.

Rats. Not enough. We have to sucker them to pay more. If they offer 9.2 million , sting them and take it.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[Antropovsky]

Knies is more important to this team than Marner. Matthews and Knies have incredible chemistry and are smaller versions of Lindros and Leclair, they are alot to handle around the net.

 

[Antropovsky]

Knies should have the first A that gets handed out. It's not even close.

 

[ULF_55]

 

[TheGreenTBer]

6x6 is the smart contract.

I've been banging this drum forever but look at what Alex Tuch signed for, cap hit %, term and his production...it's pretty well in line with Knies, except he didn't play with guys like Matthews and Marner.

5.45M x 7 is really where Knies contract would land if that was the template but we don't get those deals so scratch a year off, up the $ to 6M, win-win for both parties.

If he'd take 6x6 I'd be thrilled. Don't think he does.

Knies should have the first A that gets handed out. It's not even close.

Correct

 

[ULF_55]

If you look at the teams with the capital (picks) to offersheet, I'd zone in on the Bruins and Hawks.

Just seems like a player Neely would appreciate.

 

[CincoHolio]

It would be foolish of Knies to accept any offersheet from a team that doesn't have at least the same amount of talent as the Leafs. It's not this next contract he wants to cash in on, it's the one after that. He wouldn't have the same success he's having now on a rebuilding team like the Bruins and Blackhawks of the world.

He should be looking to bridge then bank in a few years when he's in his prime and the cap has gone up by 20 mil or so.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I always get a good laugh every year at fans panic over offer sheets,especially Leaf fans.
Every year OUR GUY is the big target,oh oh,better sign him now or a 10m offer sheet is coming.
Matthews/Marner/Willy were all going to be major offer sheets,lol.
Good thing no other good young guys that will need a new contract are in the league so that makes targeting Knies the key guy.
Really,over the years the amount of offer sheets are few and far between and ones that scare minimal.
Leafs fans have enough things to freak out over but this offer sheet crap is not one of them.

You're right Knies is far from unique skill wise on the market for young players, but he is very unique in doing it in a power forward frame. Every NHL game is going to try to get him from us either through offer sheet or asking Treliving about him

 

[HockeyVirus]

If you look at the teams with the capital (picks) to offersheet, I'd zone in on the Bruins and Hawks.

Just seems like a player Neely would appreciate.

Good god. Have we not given the Bruins enough franchise pieces??

 

[Orfieus]

I think Utah is the best team that could offer sheet him right now. Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal, Islanders…

Holy hell ya! The team has to use their picks and not picks they acquire so those could be high 1st rounders

 

[Menzinger]

If you look at the teams with the capital (picks) to offersheet, I'd zone in on the Bruins and Hawks.

Just seems like a player Neely would appreciate.

If the Hawks try and poach Knies for 9, what are they going to pay Bedard? 14, 15, 16?

I see a big minefield for any rebuilding team trying to bring in an grossly overpaid guy via offer sheet

 

[kevsh]

He should be looking to bridge then bank in a few years when he's in his prime and the cap has gone up by 20 mil or so.

I'm sure his agent will account for the expected cap increase when negotiating his deal.

Sure, I'd say go for the bridge if he doesn't get a great offer from the Leafs but that's usually a last resort as he's giving up millions per year now on the assumption (but no guarantee) he'll get even more than he would have had he gone for full-term now.

Short version, both sides should want a long-term deal. My bet right now is that they will & he's extended for 5-6 years @ a number he'll be very pleased with.

 

[Coffee]

sign him, dude @93gilmour93

 

[TIGERCOOL]

who thinks we're a good target to offer sheet with two 11 million dollar players coming off the books next season

 

[ULF_55]

who thinks we're a good target to offer sheet with two 11 million dollar players coming off the books next season

Choose 2 of 3

1. Knies
2. marner
3. Tavares

And wrt that projected Cap ... maybe put the breaks on that.

 

[AvroArrow]

Choose 2 of 3

1. Knies
2. marner
3. Tavares

And wrt that projected Cap ... maybe put the breaks on that.

Knies and Marner (cause of age)

 

[Michoulicious]

If he signs for $9M a year somewhere else what do the Leafs get in return? 3, 4 or 5 1st Round picks? Anyone know?

Here is what I found for compensation if he is signed elsewhere:

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I could see Montreal going for it at 9 millions and have big guys Slafkovsky + Knies on the wings for the next 8 years.

They have all their picks and are on the rise.

Depends on how they manage the Hutson situation.

But in the end they need more a 2C than a big winger, so unlikely.

 

[freshwind]

Choose 2 of 3

1. Knies
2. marner
3. Tavares

I look at it as we can have knies and jt for possibly the same as it would cost for just marner if the rumours are close to true ... sadly, this mess started with auston, if he'd have taken a bit less willie probably would have, then magic mitch would have had to follow suit or really look bad

and then there is the treliving factor ... he tends to overpay a lot ... huberdeau, kampf, domi, matthews, willie ....makes me afraid with 3 contracts needed this off season ...

win the cup and i probably won't care, but deep down this management group scares me and i have little condidence in the shanagang ...

 

[ITM]

Knies will be a Leafs-lifer.

 

[ACC1224]

If he were to sign an offer sheet would he then become public enemy #1 around here?

 

[Confucius]

If he were to sign an offer sheet would he then become public enemy #1 around here?

No because we still have a choice and in the worse case we get something for him that we think is better.