Boston Bruins ‘22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. IV

[LouJersey]

Bruins made the SCF with Grzelcyk on their defensive core. They were one win away from this whole take being null and void.

When it’s that close, it’s a literal coin flip and thus: the Bruins can win a Cup with Grzelcyk and his 3.6M is money well spent.



Let’s be honest, Bruins could win the Cup in 7 and people would complain they couldn’t do it in 6.

He's was on the third pair. I do think with Monty's system he could be top 4 this year though. 5v5 he's an animal, and no chance they would be as successful without him IMO. He's getting an all time career high of 61% starts in the O zone and Montgomery clearly shelters him, which is fine. He also plays no special teams, which again is ok, but I'll be honest I can't see where the undying hate or everlasting love comes from for him. He's 4th on the team for ES toi per game and a distant 6th in ice time per game.

Not sure what all his analytics say for this season but I think he has been fantastic.

As for the playoffs? I mean

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When it comes to Grzelcyk

Bottom line is to win and takes all types - he’s #1 killing plays thru zone as well as outstanding breakout. If you get Chychrun awesome but tell me the move and I’ll opine if it’s possible or feasible and makes team better. People on HF have yet to meet this criteria/ they just want to subtract with no plan - natta.

I would keep him and not deal for Chychrun or Ekholm.

 

[LavioletteScores]

I wonder if there is a deal to get Chychrun while keeping Gryz? It would mean Forbort & Reilly out (which is tough, I admit), and some combo of picks prospects, but I'd be interested if you could have both for a cup run. Chychrun doesn't make so much that it couldn't be made to work, imo.

 

[DKH]

I’m Arizona I don’t see one Uber high end prospect and top 10 draft picks going back

Out of 31 NHL teams matching up with Arizona if Boston isn’t last they are close

Now if Arizona wants to gift him to the Bruins sure but logically the Bruins aren’t even in the same continent a team like LA or the Rangers could give

 

[Blowfish]

I feel the bruins need a speedy shit disturber that plays big...a player that can surprise and pop a few goals, play pk, and create havoc using speed.

Kapanen? Garland? Domi?

The other is a mobile big D man ... injury protection.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I wonder if there is a deal to get Chychrun while keeping Gryz? It would mean Forbort & Reilly out (which is tough, I admit), and some combo of picks prospects, but I'd be interested if you could have both for a cup run. Chychrun doesn't make so much that it couldn't be made to work, imo.

Do you think the lack of a pure offensive D-Man is what is going to keep this team from winning in postseason. Do we need to add a Tomas Kaberle into the mix?

I would have gotten Chychrun a year ago instead of Lindholm had that worked out, and wow what a mistake that would have been.

I can't see pulling a top PK guy out of the lineup for a PP guy, and I say that knowing Chrchrun may become a better player with better coaching/system, but don't think he would be plug and play midseason.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

This is a good team. Fun team to watch.

But you match the Bruins up with the Canes, Lightning, or Caps for seven games and you will see alot of this fun 7-1 stuff disappear before our eyes.

Its just playoff hockey. The pressure and physical fore-checking goes way, way up. We all know this.

The Bruins need to add a couple of Dman that can soak up minutes and play a rugged/playoff game.

If the goalie stays hot, the Bruins are real REAL threat this year...

So who are you benching in postseason to get the rugged D-Men in. I guess Cliffy; although he is a bit rugged himself? Otherwise who? gryz?

And while you can pick up some lousy rugged 6/7 guys for low picks minor prospects. Very hard to find really good (top 5 capable) defensemen out on the market.

 

[Number8]

When it comes to Grzelcyk

Bottom line is to win and takes all types - he’s #1 killing plays thru zone as well as outstanding breakout. If you get Chychrun awesome but tell me the move and I’ll opine if it’s possible or feasible and makes team better. People on HF have yet to meet this criteria/ they just want to subtract with no plan - natta.

Bruins fan anti Grzelcyk thought process

‘I don’t like my 2018 Honda my parents gave me because it’s it’s blue I’m going to get rid off it’

Co-worker ‘what are you going to get. You need something dependable with good mileage’

BF anti Grzelcyk ‘No idea but maybe a Range Rover. Black with tinted windows. Or a Dodge Ram. A truck. I may need to bring the leaf bags to the dump if I miss those scheduled Fall pickup days.’

HF Boards makes me chuckle sometimes. As you rightly point out, Chychrun would be a nice player to have, but what is the cost?

Also, and this is very important, people rag on Gryz saying he's too soft and prone to getting beat up physically during the playoffs but Chychrun is a must have??????????

I would ask everyone to tell me what the following percentages represent:

83%
61%
65%
77%
68%
57%
59%

Hint: Every. f***ing. Season. Played. In. The. NHL. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Great trade thread .... NOT

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

Get someone better than Zboril for 7th D.

Forward is trickier, I want a 3RW that can play a good 4th line game, but move up if needed. Improve on Greer and Smith.

I’d actually prefer to keep Reilly for this run, he’s a capable vet if they have injuries

 

[DKH]

Bruins will be adding DeBrusk near trade deadline

 

[sarge88]

Two guys we've seen recently that could be great bottom 6 additions who could slot higher in case of injury.

Labanc --- UFA in 24 -- a little high @ 4. 725
Vatrano -- UFA in 25 @ 3.65

As always, depends on what they'd need to move out to get them, but could be valuable additions.

 

[neelynugs]

Grzelcyk made a great pass for Pastrnak third goal and without it no hat trick but that Zegras - Frederic dust up went full bench clearing brawl I’d rather have Jared Tinordi

i'd love to get the tin man back as depth. he was playing very well for chicago before getting injured. i can see them moving
zboril for someone more veteran/reliable as depth - he's too up and down to count on, and deserves a shot at regular
minutes with a younger team.

 

[DKH]

Two guys we've seen recently that could be great bottom 6 additions who could slot higher in case of injury.

Labanc --- UFA in 24 -- a little high @ 4. 725
Vatrano -- UFA in 25 @ 3.65

As always, depends on what they'd need to move out to get them, but could be valuable additions.

Killer contracts on both - UFA this year I would be interested

Leblanc top 10 bad contract

 

[sarge88]

Killer contracts on both - UFA this year I would be interested

Leblanc top 10 bad contract

Fair -- but I'm currently in:

"I don't care about next year or beyond---- this is most likely their best chance at a cup in the next 10 years, so go for it mode"

 

[PastaBaked]

This is a good team. Fun team to watch.

But you match the Bruins up with the Canes, Lightning, or Caps for seven games and you will see alot of this fun 7-1 stuff disappear before our eyes.

Its just playoff hockey. The pressure and physical fore-checking goes way, way up. We all know this.

The Bruins need to add a couple of Dman that can soak up minutes and play a rugged/playoff game.

If the goalie stays hot, the Bruins are real REAL threat this year...

Let's be honest, in recent months the Bruins have been winning the hard way; single goal victories ground out on the back of awesome tending and solid D.

This isn't a team that has got used to blowing teams out and folds at the first sign of adversity. They are used to the grind, and problem solving in real-time against opponents who are all giving their best shot against the league-leading Bruins.

I'm no expert, but from what i've read about the strengths of Gryz is his ability to help us avoid and transition out of situations that become a low cycle grind (vs the likes of the Hurricanes). So yes, his ability to deal with the low cycle (as it happens) may be less, but it appears he is the type of D-man who helps us avoid getting stuck in that type of game in the first place.

I think words like 'rugged' get thrown out so much when thinking about the post-season, is that (for the large part) we played like pu55ies when teams challenged us physically - Washington, St Louis etc - all took mssive liberties against guys we should be protecting (Carlo, Pasta etc) and the response was to turn the other cheek.

Over 7 games, the idea of taking bad hit after bad hit with no response eventually wears on a team, and they start taking dumb, ineffective penalties. Instead of targeted, borderline hits against their most vulnerable players (mutually assured destruction), they sit for 2 mins for a stupid stick foul.

The energy demonstated by the Monty Bruins gives us the 'rugged' needed for the post-season. If anyone messes with our players, we've got a queue of guys ready to trade punches.

Personally i'd be surprised if we do anything more than move Smith for cap space and a like for like replacement (a proper 4th line winger/centre).

 

[RustyBruins72]

I am NOT a GM or have extensive hockey knowledge. But from where this fan sits, I am NOT touching any of my roster players unless absolutely necessary due to __________ (Won't say it out loud). The chemistry the team has right now is as good as it ever gets and I wouldn't want to mess with that.

 

[LavioletteScores]

Do you think the lack of a pure offensive D-Man is what is going to keep this team from winning in postseason. Do we need to add a Tomas Kaberle into the mix?

I would have gotten Chychrun a year ago instead of Lindholm had that worked out, and wow what a mistake that would have been.

I can't see pulling a top PK guy out of the lineup for a PP guy, and I say that knowing Chrchrun may become a better player with better coaching/system, but don't think he would be plug and play midseason.

No, I personally think their D right now is capable of a cup run. But the gist of the conversation here has been about trading Gryz in order to improve the defense, and I was just throwing out a scenario whereby he could be kept and the D could improve, at least on the offensive side.

TBH the only place I think you could legitimately gripe for an upgrade is the Forbort-Clifton pair, which seems, at least lately, to be on the ice for a lot of goals against.

 

[Blowfish]

Where is Zboril? Haven't heard his name mentioned for some time? He could be used as trade bait? No?

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Get someone better than Zboril for 7th D.

Forward is trickier, I want a 3RW that can play a good 4th line game, but move up if needed. Improve on Greer and Smith.

I’d actually prefer to keep Reilly for this run, he’s a capable vet if they have injuries

Well right now your postseason bench D-men are Zboril, Reiley, and maybe Strallman. That's not bad, depending on whether Strallman is actually there

 

[Blowfish]

NHL Trade Block Big Board for January 2023

The NHL's March 3 <a href="https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2022-23/2022-23%20NHL%20Dates%20of%20Interest.pdf">trade deadline</a> is just two months...

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Not a bad article...

A number of interesting names...
Horvat, Domi, O'Rielly, Tarasenko, Boeser, Toews, Gavrikov, Meier,

 

[Ddawg]

I am NOT a GM or have extensive hockey knowledge. But from where this fan sits, I am NOT touching any of my roster players unless absolutely necessary due to __________ (Won't say it out loud). The chemistry the team has right now is as good as it ever gets and I wouldn't want to mess with that.

I completely agree with this. You don't mess with chemistry because a fan wants his favorite binky on the team. They almost screwed everything up trying to keep Miller.

 

[Hookslide]

Two guys we've seen recently that could be great bottom 6 additions who could slot higher in case of injury.

Labanc --- UFA in 24 -- a little high @ 4. 725
Vatrano -- UFA in 25 @ 3.65

As always, depends on what they'd need to move out to get them, but could be valuable additions.

Little too much money for 4th liners , and to much money to much replace Federics who gives you just as much and much cheaper ...... and the contract length's bother the hell out of me..........not a knock on the players but those contracts scream no way.

 

[xjoeyc23x]

My biggest question mark right now for this team is 1RW. Debrusk was playing great, but who fills in for him until he's back? Do you make a move for someone and then when Debrusk is healthy he gets his spot back? Does the acquisition go to 3RW and push Frederic out of the top 9? Freddy looks great in 3RW spot with Hall and Coyle specifically, but I wonder how good that line would be with a pure goal scorer on that line. Coyle digging pucks out of corners, Hall cycling and making great passes.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

My biggest question mark right now for this team is 1RW. Debrusk was playing great, but who fills in for him until he's back? Do you make a move for someone and then when Debrusk is healthy he gets his spot back? Does the acquisition go to 3RW and push Frederic out of the top 9? Freddy looks great in 3RW spot with Hall and Coyle specifically, but I wonder how good that line would be with a pure goal scorer on that line. Coyle digging pucks out of corners, Hall cycling and making great passes.

Unless they can move Smith or Reilly can’t see them bringing in anyone to replace DeBrusk ,they don’t have the cap space if they use the LTIR on Debrusk for cap space,then what do they do when he comes back if they haven’t moved anyone.And actually I thought Smith looked pretty good last night.I would like to see them do some tinkering at the trade deadline if they can though,I think the forth line could be improved.

 

[BlackFrancis]

I would keep him and not deal for Chychrun or Ekholm.

Ekholm is like Gryelcyk, only tall, with a very good shot, can play specials well and is never hurt.

Unfortunate about the contract and the B's cap space, though.