Value of: Zegras

[57special]

Till he has a sustained period of good play, can't see GM's offering much for him. He's damaged goods at this point, albeit young, damaged goods with two good years under his belt.
Most teams won't give up much, but I am sure that there are a couple that might pony up due to someone in their organization lobbying for him. 25 points in total over the past two seasons is not "cherry picking". It's bloody awful, especially for a player known for his offense.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Pretty sure he would love comming in MTL with his buddy Caufield

ew

 

[Arthuros]

Won't get much right now, isn't a locker room problem, isn't a lost cause. Think we're good here.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I agree with this. The question is does Zegras rebound and how long do you wait? I remember offering Newhook and a 1st last summer. It was laughed at but I said Newhook is not that far behind Zegras. How will this age as we move forward in time more? Over the last two seasons, their numbers are very close. Zegras missing more games yes but if Dach gets devalued because of it, so does Zegras.

Two bold statements that I really don't care if others laugh at or not... Dach will be on par with Cozens in the next 5-8 years and so will Newhook and Zegras over the same span (5-8 years). Bookmark it.



This is not a Zegras target today. I felt the asking price was way too high this past summer and he has not rebounded this season. This is a Zegras value thread and I would not have him high on our target list at this point in time. Not even sure I'd offer Newhook straight up

I'm still a fan of Zegras. I do hope he rebounds for the Ducks. Seems like they will wait it out. That is totally their prerogative

Prob minimum until a new coach comes

See caufield prior to MSL and then post MSL.

Zegras has shown he can score at nhl lvl… unfortunately cronins system is tanking all of our offensive players.

No duck fans are really disappointed with his game when healthy…. Just an unfortunate couple years via injury…. And Cronin sucking the life out of our offensive young players.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Prob minimum until a new coach comes

See caufield prior to MSL and then post MSL.

Zegras has shown he can score at nhl lvl… unfortunately cronins system is tanking all of our offensive players.

No duck fans are really disappointed with his game when healthy…. Just an unfortunate couple years via injury…. And Cronin sucking the life out of our offensive young players.

I was not aware of your coach and his old school ways. Hopefully you figure that out and find the right coach. I am a Zegras fan and I was hoping he would rebound this year.

Before this season, I was offering 60 pts value. Now, I would have a hard time offering it but I totally understand your situation. He could continue to struggle or break out. He does have a lot of skill.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Prob minimum until a new coach comes

See caufield prior to MSL and then post MSL.

Zegras has shown he can score at nhl lvl… unfortunately cronins system is tanking all of our offensive players.

No duck fans are really disappointed with his game when healthy…. Just an unfortunate couple years via injury…. And Cronin sucking the life out of our offensive young players.

Yeah this is giving me Michel Therrien vibes....the Habs went through a crap ton of coaches with this type of style and it sucked really badly. Hopefully you guys find yourself a coach willing to teach and be patient with rookies.

 

[AvatarAang]

He isn’t being moved. Especially coming off an injury.

No young Duck should be moved until Cronin is fired and they get a chance with another coach. Cronin sucks.

Habs fans refuse to trade reinbacher since his value has dropped significantly yet they are trying to acquire zegras for pennies on the dollar lol

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Yeah this is giving me Michel Therrien vibes....the Habs went through a crap ton of coaches with this type of style and it sucked really badly. Hopefully you guys find yourself a coach willing to teach and be patient with rookies.

Ya unfortunately the Cronin situation seems really bad, especially with the young players.

None seem all that confident…. Hopefully a coaching change happens before a move of any of the young players.

I think guys like carlsson mctavish Mintyukov zellweger and zegras will be fine long term, he has too much talent not to be…. But it’s incredibly frustrating from a ducks fans perspective.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs fans refuse to trade reinbacher since his value has dropped significantly yet they are trying to acquire zegras for pennies on the dollar lol

Don't take offense to it. It's just business. You are not wrong, I do prefer to trade for Zegras for a lower return as he is trending low. That is true or was true. Today, I think 90% of Habs fans or more don't even want to trade for him.

So your comment applies to me more than the rest of the Habs fan base. Just saying.

A little humor to this... "I'm 40, I'm a man, how about you talk to me"

 

[Stealth JD]

Zegras wants NYR not Montreal

Will Borgen and a fifth should do it.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Shiny new wheels are coming in next year, much more promising than a Zegras aquisition.
We'll circle back in 2 years on your evaluation. Everybody and their grandmother know the Habs are not there yet. Doesn't mean they need to overpay for a Zegras now. They were interested last summer, but things have changed now. They went in another direction while he was not available. (+Laine, +Demidov)
So what is your point exactly ?
Besides trolling an entire fan base, which is the obvious.
Do you even know about roster construction ?

You retroactively edited just to play the victim card. Why though?

I’m not nearly as familiar with your prospect pool as all of you are but there’s a lot to like that’s obvious already.

Your goalie pipeline is quite impressive.

Hutson is showing promise so far but the D of yours I really like is Guhle.

Even if Demidov isn’t quite as good as Michkov (not saying it will be one way or the other), you’ll still end up with an impressive player if he’s reasonably close.

I liked Heinemann a lot in his draft year.

I’m no sold on Dach but with your talent on the wing, maybe the C isn’t as important if the wings are driving a line.

 

[captainpaxil]

I'd work something around frost+ not Philly's first.

 

[Chose]

You retroactively edited just to play the victim card. Why though?

I’m not nearly as familiar with your prospect pool as all of you are but there’s a lot to like that’s obvious already.

Your goalie pipeline is quite impressive.

Hutson is showing promise so far but the D of yours I really like is Guhle.

Even if Demidov isn’t quite as good as Michkov (not saying it will be one way or the other), you’ll still end up with an impressive player if he’s reasonably close.

I liked Heinemann a lot in his draft year.

I’m no sold on Dach but with your talent on the wing, maybe the C isn’t as important if the wings are driving a line.

Maybe because that passive-agressive answer was uncalled for, and attacking a whole fanbase ?

That’s great. It’s nice to see that Habs fans are finally on a gravy train with biscuit wheels.

I was only saying we are not looking at Zegras anymore because we filled that role for next year with other players. Nothing againsn't Zegras.
I was not pretending that the Habs don't need talent. I was not pretending the Habs are all set. And, above all, this was my take, not the one of the whole fanbase.

 

[Chose]

You retroactively edited just to play the victim card. Why though?

I’m not nearly as familiar with your prospect pool as all of you are but there’s a lot to like that’s obvious already.

Your goalie pipeline is quite impressive.

Hutson is showing promise so far but the D of yours I really like is Guhle.

Even if Demidov isn’t quite as good as Michkov (not saying it will be one way or the other), you’ll still end up with an impressive player if he’s reasonably close.

I liked Heinemann a lot in his draft year.

I’m no sold on Dach but with your talent on the wing, maybe the C isn’t as important if the wings are driving a line.

You can have doubts on Dach, that's fair and we do have them too, but I think we are comfortable monitoring him a little more. He is showing signs of progress after reporting to camp in bad shape. I don't think management is expecting playoffs this year even though we are in the mix. He had a bad injury last year too, didn't play all year. If anything, he is a stopgap at C until Hage develops in 2-3y.

And all of that is missing the point by a mile: The doubts you have on Dach are the same we have in Zegras, which we would have to pay heavy assets to acquire. No deal ! We will see what that 6'4'' RH Dach has in him before panicking. 10 points in his last 14 games, very decent 2C production, trending up.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd work something around frost+ not Philly's first.

I just don’t think you move zegras unless he’s part of a package for something much better.

You won’t find any duck fans that want to risk trading zegras at this point.

Some teams and fans prob think you can snag him cheap, but I don’t see that as the case here….. and unless a team is overpaying for him I don’t see a chance we move him.

 

[HabsAddict]

It looks like more then Zegras is not producing. I thought we see more from Carlsson snd McTavish.

Anaheim would probably love Z for Dach trade but i rather look at the other two. But it would be risky as all heck. I see Mc as an 80 point hard nose center and C as a 100 point Paterson type. Neither is showing anything near that. Neither is Dach actually so we got 4 centers who are still "developing"....or will never take that big step.

With Hutson, Laine and Demigod on the horizen, there is no need for Z anymore. But if a mid 1st would do it, I'd think hard about it.

Signing him long term is another issue...

 

[Habs Halifax]

It looks like more then Zegras is not producing. I thought we see more from Carlsson snd McTavish.

Anaheim would probably love Z for Dach trade but i rather look at the other two. But it would be risky as all heck. I see Mc as an 80 point hard nose center and C as a 100 point Paterson type. Neither is showing anything near that. Neither is Dach actually so we got 4 centers who are still "developing"....or will never take that big step.

With Hutson, Laine and Demigod on the horizen, there is no need for Z anymore. But if a mid 1st would do it, I'd think hard about it.

Signing him long term is another issue...

I'd value Dach's physical side more than Zegras's soft side. Both are underperforming points wise.

One thing that would worry me is trading for him (whatever cost that is) and he comes to Montreal and produces with more talent and a better coach who allows more freedom. Then asks for a bloated contract with the premise that he's the one who was the play driver.

Lots of skill and most would agree. I think his 60 pts seasons came when the Ducks were a bottom 10 team. We have seen this before where points are high on a team that was playing guys learning on the job and with no leash for the 200' responsibilities. Lately, the Ducks have been playing more of a complete game where they are asking players to play more D. They are still a bottom 10 team but goals against is less than before. That's what happens when teams try to rise above during rebuilds. It's happened to the Habs as well. Remember, Domi put up 72 pts on the Habs when he was age 24. He started to demand some crazy contract and we flipped him out. I'm not saying Zegras is like Domi but these things can happen.

Most Habs fans would agree that there is very little interest in trading for Zegras. Some felt that way this past summer as well and they were probably right.

He's getting close to 60% offensive zone starts so it's not like he don't have any opportunity. Playing with Carlsson and Killorn which is a solid line. 17 min's a game with 2:32 of PP time. I just don't think he is gritty enough and his skill is not carrying him enough to overcome it.

 

[Gliff]

I'd value Dach's physical side more than Zegras's soft side. Both are underperforming points wise.

One thing that would worry me is trading for him (whatever cost that is) and he comes to Montreal and produces with more talent and a better coach who allows more freedom. Then asks for a bloated contract with the premise that he's the one who was the play driver.

Lots of skill and most would agree. I think his 60 pts seasons came when the Ducks were a bottom 10 team. We have seen this before where points are high on a team that was playing guys learning on the job and with no leash for the 200' responsibilities. Lately, the Ducks have been playing more of a complete game where they are asking players to play more D. They are still a bottom 10 team but goals against is less than before. That's what happens when teams try to rise above during rebuilds. It's happened to the Habs as well. Remember, Domi put up 72 pts on the Habs when he was age 24. He started to demand some crazy contract and we flipped him out. I'm not saying Zegras is like Domi but these things can happen.

Most Habs fans would agree that there is very little interest in trading for Zegras. Some felt that way this past summer as well and they were probably right.

He's getting close to 60% offensive zone starts so it's not like he don't have any opportunity. Playing with Carlsson and Killorn which is a solid line. 17 min's a game with 2:32 of PP time. I just don't think he is gritty enough and his skill is not carrying him enough to overcome it.

Dach career high in points is 38 and 26 points. I think it's fair to say one has underperformed more then the other.

 

[HabsAddict]

I'd value Dach's physical side more than Zegras's soft side. Both are underperforming points wise.

One thing that would worry me is trading for him (whatever cost that is) and he comes to Montreal and produces with more talent and a better coach who allows more freedom. Then asks for a bloated contract with the premise that he's the one who was the play driver.

Lots of skill and most would agree. I think his 60 pts seasons came when the Ducks were a bottom 10 team. We have seen this before where points are high on a team that was playing guys learning on the job and with no leash for the 200' responsibilities. Lately, the Ducks have been playing more of a complete game where they are asking players to play more D. They are still a bottom 10 team but goals against is less than before. That's what happens when teams try to rise above during rebuilds. It's happened to the Habs as well. Remember, Domi put up 72 pts on the Habs when he was age 24. He started to demand some crazy contract and we flipped him out. I'm not saying Zegras is like Domi but these things can happen.

Most Habs fans would agree that there is very little interest in trading for Zegras. Some felt that way this past summer as well and they were probably right.

Money was always the fear with Z. I see him still demanding big bucks even if he's not going to be a perennial 60 plus player.

Of course i don't mind more talent but only at a cost. Wont do Dach but would look at Newhook.or a mid 1st.

Obviously Duck fans don't want anything less then Dach, but equally obvious it's too much for this version of Z.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dach career high in points is 38 and 26 points. I think it's fair to say one has underperformed more then the other.

I hate when fans do this. Right now, Zegras has put up more points in his career yes (0.45 vs 0.7). But points is not how I solely evaluate young players. Over the last two seasons, both have had injuries derailing things. Both are around 0.45/game. It's not good for either player but if I had to choose, I'm taking the physical center.

Dach has had more setbacks vs Zegras. He's been better of late and our entire fan base is watching him closely. We expect a better finish to the season and we also have one more season to evaluate (like Zegras) before we need to shit or get off the pot. haha

My gut says when you look past the points or disappointment of lack of points, Dach is driving play more than what Zegras is. Both are getting #2 PP time at the moment I believe.

I'd be interested to see some genuine comments into how Zegras is driving play as a puck possession winger.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Money was always the fear with Z. I see him still demanding big bucks even if he's not going to be a perennial 60 plus player.

Of course i don't mind more talent but only at a cost. Wont do Dach but would look at Newhook.or a mid 1st.

Obviously Duck fans don't want anything less then Dach, but equally obvious it's too much for this version of Z.

I'm pretty sure the Ducks fans will tell him where to go if he demands some bloated contract. Yeah, his coach may be hard on him and affecting his confidence (like Ducharme with Caufield) but Ducks fans and their GM are not fools. Zegras has to start to drive play and produce. It's much deeper than just points. How is he generating the points

I think the Habs are evaluating Dach the same way. He's getting lots of opportunity at 2C with Laine so there should be no excuses.

 

[John Mandalorian]

You can have doubts on Dach, that's fair and we do have them too, but I think we are comfortable monitoring him a little more. He is showing signs of progress after reporting to camp in bad shape. I don't think management is expecting playoffs this year even though we are in the mix. He had a bad injury last year too, didn't play all year. If anything, he is a stopgap at C until Hage develops in 2-3y.

And all of that is missing the point by a mile: The doubts you have on Dach are the same we have in Zegras, which we would have to pay heavy assets to acquire. No deal ! We will see what that 6'4'' RH Dach has in him before panicking. 10 points in his last 14 games, very decent 2C production, trending up.

I don’t think you should target Zegras. Nor have I suggested as much. The point someone made about not doing this until there’s a better coach has truth to it. But that might also take a while. One of your fellow Habs fans suggested Barzal. That’s probably a better idea. NYI might be more willing to consider a trade due to his production relative to his cap hit. And for all the young talent Montreal has, they don’t have someone who is fast and skilled and can flip the ice like that.

 

[Sparksrus3]

I always thought of Zegras as a Barzal type player in the limited views I had of his game. Am i way off here ? Thanks

 

[Chose]

I don’t think you should target Zegras. Nor have I suggested as much. The point someone made about not doing this until there’s a better coach has truth to it. But that might also take a while. One of your fellow Habs fans suggested Barzal. That’s probably a better idea. NYI might be more willing to consider a trade due to his production relative to his cap hit. And for all the young talent Montreal has, they don’t have someone who is fast and skilled and can flip the ice like that.

From MTL'S POV, it sounds like a better idea that targeting Zegras indeed. NYI being also quite old and underperforming, you'd think it might be time to get younger and add picks/prospects, while the Habs can use the experience. But Lou will not do that. Not with 27yo Barzal signed for years anyway. I don't think I would either...

 

[HabsAddict]

27 year old Barzal will cost the value of an 85 point player. Minimum is Dach and a 1st.

Are we going to start fantasizing of being one legged contenders?

Why don't we wait until we have Rein, Mailman and Demigod in the lineup before overdosing on hope...