Value of: Zegras to Pittsburgh

[Crazy8oooo]

Why do you think I don’t like Zegras? Just because I think Anaheim fans are grossly overrating him and the value he carry around the league doesn’t mean I hate him?

If I say Josh Anderson is worth a 1st + despite his cap hit and production you have the right to say I’m delusional and it wouldn’t mean you “hate” the player

Where is the overrating from Ducks fans? All of the threads about trading him are from opposing fans who want to get him for pennies on the dollar, followed by Ducks fans saying they don’t want to trade him. Not wanting to trade him is not equal to overrating him. If it were Ducks fans proposing trading him then it would be different. Yet, here you are, talking him down once again.

 

[Baksfamous112]

You already said you had made your last post in this thread.

I lied.

Where is the overrating from Ducks fans? All of the threads about trading him are from opposing fans who want to get him for pennies on the dollar, followed by Ducks fans saying they don’t want to trade him. Not wanting to trade him is not equal to overrating him. If it were Ducks fans proposing trading him then it would be different. Yet, here you are, talking him down once again.

Pennies on the dollar? I am not talking him down. I’m just stating facts and stats.

Name one guy who’s almost 24 years old, can’t stay healthy, isn’t physical and can’t score at a higher rate than 0.5 PPG over the past two years who would be worth a premium return?

I just don’t understand how Ducks fans can be so blinded by that guy. It really reminds me of how Habs fans reacted when talking about Jo Drouin a few years ago as if no one wanted to accept the fact that he didn’t pan out the way he was supposed to and that he would always be a replaceable secondary piece.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I lied.

Pennies on the dollar? I am not talking him down. I’m just stating facts and stats.

Name one guy who’s almost 24 years old, can’t stay healthy, isn’t physical and can’t score at a higher rate than 0.5 PPG over the past two years who would be worth a premium return?

I just don’t understand how Ducks fans can be so blinded by that guy. It really reminds me of how Habs fans reacted when talking about Jo Drouin a few years ago as if no one wanted to accept the fact that he didn’t pan out the way he was supposed to and that he would always be a replaceable secondary piece.

I mean a lot prob has to do with watching him, and the team playing generally better with him in the line up.

He’s made changes to his game, he’s much more responsible in all 3 zones and physically engaged …. He’s also shown he can score 60+ points in a season…. If/when he combines them he’ll be a pretty effective 2nd liner for use

There’s no blinded by him, he’s a good player… and 2 fluke injuries doesn’t exactly change that.

 

[McDonald19]

I just don’t understand how Ducks fans can be so blinded by that guy. It really reminds me of how Habs fans reacted when talking about Jo Drouin a few years ago as if no one wanted to accept the fact that he didn’t pan out the way he was supposed to and that he would always be a replaceable secondary piece.

If you had actually watched any recent Ducks games you would have seen that Zegras is the Ducks only real play driver. He sets up his teammates for grade A scoring chances every game. Not his fault that his teammates can’t finish.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I lied.

Pennies on the dollar? I am not talking him down. I’m just stating facts and stats.

Name one guy who’s almost 24 years old, can’t stay healthy, isn’t physical and can’t score at a higher rate than 0.5 PPG over the past two years who would be worth a premium return?

I just don’t understand how Ducks fans can be so blinded by that guy. It really reminds me of how Habs fans reacted when talking about Jo Drouin a few years ago as if no one wanted to accept the fact that he didn’t pan out the way he was supposed to and that he would always be a replaceable secondary piece.

First off, you’re completely ignoring how he was showing brilliant offensive skills until Cronin came along. Dismissing the coach as the problem like you do, while ignoring that Zegras is just one of many top young prospects that are either regressing or not progressing offensively under Cronin, is not being open minded.

And regarding the bolded, I’ll repeat again, these threads are not Ducks fans proposing Zegras to other teams. They’re opposing fans asking for him while Ducks fans are saying they’re not interested and would rather see if he rebounds. Nobody is asking for a premium return because outside of a couple fans in the minority, we all don’t want him traded and are not proposing for him to be.

 

[thedjpd]

Source? Because apparently if it wasn’t confirmed by Verbeek or Briere himself it simply can’t be true

It was ASF or DiMarco on a podcast I believe. Sorry I don’t remember which but it may have been in one of their articles. Maybe snow the goalie.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I mean a lot prob has to do with watching him, and the team playing generally better with him in the line up.

He’s made changes to his game, he’s much more responsible in all 3 zones and physically engaged …. He’s also shown he can score 60+ points in a season…. If/when he combines them he’ll be a pretty effective 2nd liner for use

There’s no blinded by him, he’s a good player… and 2 fluke injuries doesn’t exactly change that.

But he hasn’t shown he can score 40+ over the last two years. Growth is not linear and some players peak at a very young age. His advanced stats aren’t pretty either:

• GF%: 38.50%
• DFF%: 44.50%
• CF%: 47.80%
• oZS%: 49.0%

If you had actually watched any recent Ducks games you would have seen that Zegras is the Ducks only real play driver. He sets up his teammates for grade A scoring chances every game. Not his fault that his teammates can’t finish.

I can’t say I’ve watched many games of his over the last two years but the few I did he was pretty irrelevant and invisible.

First off, you’re completely ignoring how he was showing brilliant offensive skills until Cronin came along. Dismissing the coach as the problem like you do, while ignoring that Zegras is just one of many top young prospects that are either regressing or not progressing offensively under Cronin, is not being open minded.

And regarding the bolded, I’ll repeat again, these threads are not Ducks fans proposing Zegras to other teams. They’re opposing fans asking for him while Ducks fans are saying they’re not interested and would rather see if he rebounds. Nobody is asking for a premium return because outside of a couple fans in the minority, we all don’t want him traded and are not proposing for him to be.

So did Drouin at 20 and 21. Galchenyuk had a 30+30 season at 21 as well. Just because it happened in the past doesn’t mean it’ll happen in the future. It certainly isn’t happening right now.

It was ASF or DiMarco on a podcast I believe. Sorry I don’t remember which but it may have been in one of their articles. Maybe snow the goalie.

So not a reliable source.

 

[MCB]

I lied.

At least you're consistent!

 

[thedjpd]

But he hasn’t shown he can score 40+ over the last two years. Growth is not linear and some players peak at a very young age. His advanced stats aren’t pretty either:

• GF%: 38.50%
• DFF%: 44.50%
• CF%: 47.80%
• oZS%: 49.0%

I can’t say I’ve watched many games of his over the last two years but the few I did he was pretty irrelevant and invisible.

So did Drouin at 20 and 21. Galchenyuk had a 30+30 season at 21 as well. Just because it happened in the past doesn’t mean it’ll happen in the future. It certainly isn’t happening right now.

So not a reliable source.

What? Here’s the partial link I found, with ASF. It was also later confirmed by DiMarco. There’s more where they talk about York but I honestly don’t have the patience to look for it to somebody who seems to think actual Flyers beat reporters as “not a reliable source.” If you’re waiting for GMs to confirm or deny trade possibilities or fails, I have some magic beans to sell you. Honestly not sure what the Briere or Verbeek comments are - or what some of you believe - but if you actually believe they are truthful in their dealings to the public I don’t know what to say.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Zegras to Pitt...he's not worth a 2nd rounder at this point...Pens would assume all the risk and at 5.75 M for another season after this one which by the way has Zegras scoring at a below 0.5 per game rate could be better spent elsewhere...besides where do you play Zegras not Centre cause Crosby and Malkin take the top 2 spots so he'd have to play LW or RWing not something he's been keen to do in Anaheim since McTavish and Carlsson have gotten there and are the Future at Centre with the Ducks...so Zegras problems stem from bad attitude and thinking he's better than he actually is...too bad so sad

Thats not a trash return its more than a player like zegras is worth

Maxilloux + Hage (taken 21st) is a very good offer for a player who has been unhealthy and unproductive for 60 games now

Why would Montreal give up Hage he's not a bad egg like Zegras...Mailloux I can see trading but not Hage he's a kid Les Canadiens love and want to see playing in Montreal forever...

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

If you had actually watched any recent Ducks games you would have seen that Zegras is the Ducks only real play driver. He sets up his teammates for grade A scoring chances every game. Not his fault that his teammates can’t finish.

You have your opinion...from the games I've watched he's been injured or disinterested most of the times and hates playing LW instead of Centre...play driver well maybe sometimes

 

[Ducks DVM]

I lied.

Pennies on the dollar? I am not talking him down. I’m just stating facts and stats.

Name one guy who’s almost 24 years old, can’t stay healthy, isn’t physical and can’t score at a higher rate than 0.5 PPG over the past two years who would be worth a premium return?

I just don’t understand how Ducks fans can be so blinded by that guy. It really reminds me of how Habs fans reacted when talking about Jo Drouin a few years ago as if no one wanted to accept the fact that he didn’t pan out the way he was supposed to and that he would always be a replaceable secondary piece.

Since coming back from the knee injury, he has 5 points in 8 games (4th on the team), is 1st in SAT, 1st in USAT, and the team is 6-2 in that span. He drives offense, and he drives an entertaining play style, which Cronin’s “system” is very bad at.

Literally zero Ducks posters want to trade him. Especially not for what is a severely devalued level from what we know his potential is.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Zegras problems stem from bad attitude and thinking he's better than he actually is...too bad so sad

You’ve just proven you know nothing about Trevor Zegras. Zegras is one of the hardest working players on the team and is well liked by his teammates. His coach has praised him for the work he’s put in that’s been asked of him in changing his game. You couldn’t be more wrong about him and are just making things up.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

 

[Crazy8oooo]

So did Drouin at 20 and 21. Galchenyuk had a 30+30 season at 21 as well. Just because it happened in the past doesn’t mean it’ll happen in the future. It certainly isn’t happening right now.

So, choose to ignore the facts about this being a coaching issue when all of their young top prospects are struggling offensively under Cronin. Yet, it’s somehow just a Zegras problem.

I can’t say I’ve watched many games of his over the last two years but the few I did he was pretty irrelevant and invisible.

It’s obvious with the views you have of him.

But we were told he has a bad attitude. Why would he focus on playing the right way?

 

[Baksfamous112]

What? Here’s the partial link I found, with ASF. It was also later confirmed by DiMarco. There’s more where they talk about York but I honestly don’t have the patience to look for it to somebody who seems to think actual Flyers beat reporters as “not a reliable source.” If you’re waiting for GMs to confirm or deny trade possibilities or fails, I have some magic beans to sell you. Honestly not sure what the Briere or Verbeek comments are - or what some of you believe - but if you actually believe they are truthful in their dealings to the public I don’t know what to say.

According to Ducks fans if it doesn’t come out directly out of the mouth of the GM, it’s non-sense and not true.

Since coming back from the knee injury, he has 5 points in 8 games (4th on the team), is 1st in SAT, 1st in USAT, and the team is 6-2 in that span. He drives offense, and he drives an entertaining play style, which Cronin’s “system” is very bad at.

Literally zero Ducks posters want to trade him. Especially not for what is a severely devalued level from what we know his potential is.

Got it. He’s got an ok 8 games stretch. We’re all sold.

No Ducks fans wants to trade him for his current value but would not hesitate to package him for someone better. Ain’t that right?

So, choose to ignore the facts about this being a coaching issue when all of their young top prospects are struggling offensively under Cronin. Yet, it’s somehow just a Zegras problem.

It’s obvious with the views you have of him.


But we were told he has a bad attitude. Why would he focus on playing the right way?

Right. I forgot it was a coaching issue and not a player issue. My bad.

Who said he had a bad attitude? Just that he’s not producing results and can’t stay healthy and that his value is at an all time low because of it. No worries though, that’s probably just a coach issue

 

[Ducks DVM]

According to Ducks fans if it doesn’t come out directly out of the mouth of the GM, it’s non-sense and not true.


Got it. He’s got an ok 8 games stretch. We’re all sold.

No Ducks fans wants to trade him for his current value but would not hesitate to package him for someone better. Ain’t that right?

For a Tkachuk? Yes. And you’d trade 100% of your forwards for those guys too.

For some career 40 point player who hits? Absolutely not.

For a late 1st and late 2nd, which statistically will never be an NHL player at all? Less than zero interest.

Edit - also - the Ducks aren’t selling. You’re buying. Things that you don’t want to sell come with a higher price tag than “market value”.

 

[Baksfamous112]

For a Tkachuk? Yes. And you’d trade 100% of your forwards for those guys too.

For some career 40 point player who hits? Absolutely not.

For a late 1st and late 2nd, which statistically will never be an NHL player at all? Less than zero interest.

Edit - also - the Ducks aren’t selling. You’re buying. Things that you don’t want to sell come with a higher price tag than “market value”.

Probably as you shouldn’t but stop blinding yourself in thinking he’s worth more.. or even that.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

According to Ducks fans if it doesn’t come out directly out of the mouth of the GM, it’s non-sense and not true.


Got it. He’s got an ok 8 games stretch. We’re all sold.

No Ducks fans wants to trade him for his current value but would not hesitate to package him for someone better. Ain’t that right?


Right. I forgot it was a coaching issue and not a player issue. My bad.

Who said he had a bad attitude? Just that he’s not producing results and can’t stay healthy and that his value is at an all time low because of it. No worries though, that’s probably just a coach issue

That wasn’t directed at you, so not sure why you thought it was. But, to answer your question, another poster just a few posts up said he has a bad attitude.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Probably as you shouldn’t but stop blinding yourself in thinking he’s worth more.. or even that.

He’s
Not
Being
Sold.

Which makes the acquiring price whatever the Ducks say it is.

Saying he should be valued as if he’s never going to be any better is every bit as unsupportable as is saying he should be valued as a 90 point All Star.

The concept that either of us, but in particular someone who doesn’t actually watch him, gets to determine his trade price as an absolute fact is pretty comical though.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He’s
Not
Being
Sold.

Which makes the acquiring price whatever the Ducks say it is.

Saying he should be valued as if he’s never going to be any better is every bit as unsupportable as is saying he should be valued as a 90 point All Star.

The concept that either of us, but in particular someone who doesn’t actually watch him, gets to determine his trade price as an absolute fact is pretty comical though.

He won’t get this part, 100%

 

[SomeDude]

Playing the right way, eh? This man was born to play for Mike Sullivan.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Playing the right way, eh? This man was born to play for Mike Sullivan.

He’s not for sale

 

[SomeDude]

He’s not for sale

Then can we give you Mike Sullivan?

 

[KevinRedkey]

IDK we saw kirby dach with a career high of 26 points go for 13 + 66

but regardless its dumb because Anaheim wouldn't sell him for that price... so then its safe to lock the thread and assume hes not realistically available.


Ducks are better with Zegras on the ice.... no real reason to trade him unless its a package for a player that makes us better.

Are you saying you wouldn't accept 13 + 66 for Zegras?
or that you wouldn't accept a low 1st + high 2nd which you were replying to?

From an outsiders POV, 13+ seems too high a price where as a low 1st+ seems too low. Im just curious what your perspective is.