Value of: Zegras to Pittsburgh

[McDonald19]

Pens window to be competitive closes at the end of the Crosby contract, with that in mind I think a deal around Zegras + Gibson for Karlsson (retention as necessary) + Pens goaltending prospect/Nedeljkovic and pick/prospect actually makes some sense for both sides

Why do the Ducks want 35 year old Karlsson and some random prospects?

 

[Gliff]

I’m actually curious about it Zegras after the draft when the Ducks likely are in a position where the best player on the board is yet another center.

Not sure it matters either way, especially when none of their young forwards have REALLY cemented their spot. And a lot of people (Ducks brass included) think Z is better on the wing.

I personally think he is better at Center, but whatever.

Right. So the Pens are better off building from within *unless* a buy low situation opens up.

Ummm yes? Why is this shocking to you. You wont get the asset you're looking for because noone trades them for what you have to offer. The only other option is to draft and develop that asset yourself unless a buy low situation opens up.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Ummm yes? Why is this shocking to you. You wont get the asset you're looking for because noone trades them for what you have to offer. The only other option is to draft and develop that asset yourself unless a buy low situation opens up.

They do. Just have to be patient.

Also not sure where you got the impression I was shocked about anything.

 

[Rec T]

Right. So the Pens are better off building from within *unless* a buy low situation opens up.

Well sure, and I'm positive every single GM & 95% of the armchair GMs here would agree with that (there are some weirdos here...). It's how rebuilding teams for the most part get rebuilt. If someone is on sale at a really good price, you make it work.

But despite what the purveyors of clickbait articles & many people over multiple threads want to wish into existence, Z is not going to be available at a buy low price tag. He's just not. PV has stated that he's willing to take calls on him (& pretty much everyone else), but you aren't getting him cheaply. Once the price starts to hurt & you question if you really want him ... now you're in the right ballpark.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Well sure, and I'm positive every single GM & 95% of the armchair GMs here would agree with that (there are some weirdos here...). It's how rebuilding teams for the most part get rebuilt. If someone is on sale at a really good price, you make it work.

But despite what the purveyors of clickbait articles & many people over multiple threads want to wish into existence, Z is not going to be available at a buy low price tag. He's just not. PV has stated that he's willing to take calls on him (& pretty much everyone else), but you aren't getting him cheaply. Once the price starts to hurt & you question if you really want him ... now you're in the right ballpark.

For a player of Zegras production and play over the last two years I believe the “price starts to hurt” bit probably means a low 1st high 2nd for most teams.

So pretty much the ballpark you’re looking for as a basic from pretty much every other GMs in the league

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Side note: No disrespect to Zegras but he certainly has to be the worst player featured on an NHL game. He’s only like 24, but he’s had a tough stat line these last two years.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Well sure, and I'm positive every single GM & 95% of the armchair GMs here would agree with that (there are some weirdos here...). It's how rebuilding teams for the most part get rebuilt. If someone is on sale at a really good price, you make it work.

But despite what the purveyors of clickbait articles & many people over multiple threads want to wish into existence, Z is not going to be available at a buy low price tag. He's just not. PV has stated that he's willing to take calls on him (& pretty much everyone else), but you aren't getting him cheaply. Once the price starts to hurt & you question if you really want him ... now you're in the right ballpark.

That's fine and reasonable.

 

[dracom]

Side note: No disrespect to Zegras but he certainly has to be the worst player featured on an NHL game. He’s only like 24, but he’s had a tough stat line these last two years.

Luke hughes only got on because of his name.

 

[McDonald19]

Side note: No disrespect to Zegras but he certainly has to be the worst player featured on an NHL game. He’s only like 24, but he’s had a tough stat line these last two years.

Think they were looking for a young player with a lot of personality (which hockey players aren’t known for), and his game was trending upwards at the time.

 

[FiveTacos]

For a player of Zegras production and play over the last two years I believe the “price starts to hurt” bit probably means a low 1st high 2nd for most teams.

But if it doesn't reach the "price where it makes more sense to unload Zegras than bank on him bouncing back," then it's pointless. A low 1st/high 2nd more often than not fails to yield a long term NHL regular.

Even if for the sake of argument they do give up on him, they can package him with a young D and their own pick and probably bring back something more impactful than a late 1st. And they have the deep pipeline to make such a move without getting their future.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

For a player of Zegtlesras production and play over the last two years I believe the “price starts to hurt” bit probably means a low 1st high 2nd for most teams.

So pretty much the ballpark you’re looking for as a basic from pretty much every other GMs in the league

IDK we saw kirby dach with a career high of 26 points go for 13 + 66

but regardless its dumb because Anaheim wouldn't sell him for that price... so then its safe to lock the thread and assume hes not realistically available.


Ducks are better with Zegras on the ice.... no real reason to trade him unless its a package for a player that makes us better.

 

[SmokeyDuck]

I didn't mean that as they didn't like him, I meant it more as he's been surpassed by other guys. Maybe it's just due to injuries, but it seems like Zegras has lost his PP1 and top-6 C role that he had earlier in his career. That's what I meant when I said "fall out of favor".

I always figured Zegras was way better at C than he was at W, has he shown to be an effective winger? If so this proposal doesn't make sense, I was under the impression that Zegras lost his top-6 C spot and was more suited as a C than a W.

He is on the point now on the PP1, so the QB.

 

[Baksfamous112]

But if it doesn't reach the "price where it makes more sense to unload Zegras than bank on him bouncing back," then it's pointless. A low 1st/high 2nd more often than not fails to yield a long term NHL regular.

Even if for the sake of argument they do give up on him, they can package him with a young D and their own pick and probably bring back something more impactful than a late 1st. And they have the deep pipeline to make such a move without getting their future.

The bolded is key. I was strictly talking from an opposing team pov.

IDK we saw kirby dach with a career high of 26 points go for 13 + 66

but regardless its dumb because Anaheim wouldn't sell him for that price... so then its safe to lock the thread and assume hes not realistically available.


Ducks are better with Zegras on the ice.... no real reason to trade him unless its a package for a player that makes us better.

Yes a 21 years old Kirby Dach. That’s a very different situation. How much would Kirby Dach move for two years later now that he hasn’t proved much more?

His lower cap hit and bigger frame/body would probably means he’s close to Zegras in terms of (pure) value right now

 

[Crazy8oooo]

The bolded is key. I was strictly talking from an opposing team pov.

Yes a 21 years old Kirby Dach. That’s a very different situation. How much would Kirby Dach move for two years later now that he hasn’t proved much more?

His lower cap hit and bigger frame/body would probably means he’s close to Zegras in terms of (pure) value right now

Dach has done almost nothing in his career so far and has a high of 38 points. His size means nothing if he can’t produce. At least with Zegras, he’s already proven he can produce with two 60+ point seasons. Funny how he was just fine, offensively, until the new coach came along and started trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Why do the Ducks want 35 year old Karlsson and some random prospects?

Penguins fans throwing the package out there are about as dumb as Ducks fans asking the Pens for their first rounder.

Both are equally stupid that I truly hope neither front office entertains. I would throw myself off of a bridge here in Pittsburgh if Dubas is that stupid.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Penguins fans throwing the package out there are about as dumb as Ducks fans asking the Pens for their first rounder.

Both are equally stupid that I truly hope neither front office entertains. I would throw myself off of a bridge here in Pittsburgh if Dubas is that stupid.

Care to share the Ducks fans’ posts where they’ve asked for the Pens first rounder? I’m pretty sure there isn’t a single Ducks fan in this thread who has proposed Zegras for the Pens first rounder. In fact, I don’t think a single Ducks fan in this thread has asked for anything for Zegras. None of us Ducks fans want him traded.

 

[FiveTacos]

Care to share the Ducks fans’ posts where they’ve asked for the Pens first rounder? I’m pretty sure there isn’t a single Ducks fan in this thread who has proposed Zegras for the Pens first rounder. In fact, I don’t think a single Ducks fan in this thread has asked for anything for Zegras. None of us Ducks fans want him traded.

I'm perfectly fine trading him (or McTavish for that matter) if it's part of a package for an impact scorer. The Ducks are past the point where the goal should be to stockpile picks and prospects, unless they want a perpetual rebuild.

 

[thedjpd]

Flyers apparently offered Farabee and a 1st, but Verbeek asked for York to be included and retention on Farabee.

Briere told him to pound sand.

Sure sounds like Verbeek has his head in the clouds if he’s asking for that type of return for a multi year underperforming player, but still believes in this coach long enough to keep him.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I'm perfectly fine trading him (or McTavish for that matter) if it's part of a package for an impact scorer. The Ducks are past the point where the goal should be to stockpile picks and prospects, unless they want a perpetual rebuild.

Zegras was an impact scorer until Cronin entered the picture.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Dach has done almost nothing in his career so far and has a high of 38 points. His size means nothing if he can’t produce. At least with Zegras, he’s already proven he can produce with two 60+ point seasons. Funny how he was just fine, offensively, until the new coach came along and started trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

ah yes the problem is the coach.

Zegras was an impact scorer until Cronin entered the picture.

I know sometimes it takes time for reality to set in but this has nothing to do with the coach. Zegras hasn’t produced results despite numerous chance to succeed and haven’t been able to stay healthy either. He’s the American version of Jo Drouin.

that being said, this is going to be my last post on this thread.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Flyers apparently offered Farabee and a 1st, but Verbeek asked for York to be included and retention on Farabee.

Briere told him to pound sand.

Sure sounds like Verbeek has his head in the clouds if he’s asking for that type of return for a multi year underperforming player, but still believes in this coach long enough to keep him.

Source?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Flyers apparently offered Farabee and a 1st, but Verbeek asked for York to be included and retention on Farabee.

Briere told him to pound sand.

Sure sounds like Verbeek has his head in the clouds if he’s asking for that type of return for a multi year underperforming player, but still believes in this coach long enough to keep him.

Source? Because apparently if it wasn’t confirmed by Verbeek or Briere himself it simply can’t be true

 

[Crazy8oooo]

ah yes the problem is the coach.

I know sometimes it takes time for reality to set in but this has nothing to do with the coach. Zegras hasn’t produced results despite numerous chance to succeed and haven’t been able to stay healthy either. He’s the American version of Jo Drouin.

that being said, this is going to be my last post on this thread.

Yes, we know you don’t like Zegras. It’s obvious when you enter any Zegras thread to talk negatively about him. But at least do some research before posting. Cronin has hindered all of the young offensively talented players on the Ducks. You may not like hearing that but the stats prove it.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Yes, we know you don’t like Zegras. It’s obvious when you enter any Zegras thread to talk negatively about him. But at least do some research before posting. Cronin has hindered all of the young offensively talented players on the Ducks. You may not like hearing that but the stats prove it.

Why do you think I don’t like Zegras? Just because I think Anaheim fans are grossly overrating him and the value he carry around the league doesn’t mean I hate him?

If I say Josh Anderson is worth a 1st + despite his cap hit and production you have the right to say I’m delusional and it wouldn’t mean you “hate” the player

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Source? Because apparently if it wasn’t confirmed by Verbeek or Briere himself it simply can’t be true

You already said you had made your last post in this thread.