You can't paint the past two seasons as positive unless you are delusional. When I've watched him play he has been invisible, at best. It's like playing for the Ducks has killed all his creativity, but he hasn't replaced it with anything else.
Value of: Zegras to Pittsburgh
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FiveTacos
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A guy who has had two 60+ point seasons, and even in the last two years has produced at that pace when played at center ... he's at least a pretty solid bet to continue to do so unless you insist on playing him at wing.
Whereas the hit rate for drafted forwards mid to late 1sts is extremely low. There's a reason any player who's shown any offense always gets threads with "oh I'd give up a mid to late 1st for him," because we all know how unlikely it is to find even a 2nd liner at that point. Hell, Zegras is probably an above average return for where he was drafted.
He isn't scoring at wing. In his games at C the last two seasons he was still trending at a 55+ point pace. Problem is they play him mostly at wing where he paced for under 20. It's pretty obvious to everyone but his coach what his best position is.
He's not Eric Lindros but he's feistier than he's given credit for.
Even some of his detractors around here have admitted he's become pretty decent defensively. And hey, a lot of young guys aren't great at FOs. There's veteran Cs who aren't great at it.
Those are some pretty freak injuries. A broken ankle from going into the boards, and a slew foot ... that can happen to just about anyone.
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I would do it based on what Zegras would get under Crosby for work ethic and knowing how to maximize skillset and talent. More than likely he would be playing with Crosby or Malkin, and there is so much he could learn from two Hall of Famers and MVPS
Fatass
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Will it change Zegras’s attitude to learn from Crosby or will he continue along the same path regardless? If he does learn from Crosby how to be a pro who plays winning hockey then it’s a good add by the Pens. So there’s a risk.
Zegs2sendhelp
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Weird because most of the time he’s anything but invisible.
Last 2 seasons have been rough, no one is disagreeing …. Had a couple fluke injuries.
But he’s also started to play a more complete game and more noticeable in all 3 zones…. Offense hasn’t been up to par…. But honestly no body in anaheims offense is up to par.
At 23 he has 2 60+ point seasons under his belt and is changing his game up to be stronger in all 3 zones… despite having bad luck on injury front. That’s a lot more than most 23 year prospects can say
StIvany4Norris
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ok just close the thread lol the ducks don't need any more D men. We have an abundance of NHL capable D Men and desperately need top 6 F help. So the logical approach is to trade one of the more creative offensive forwards for a high price D man on the decline.
StIvany4Norris
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Three way deals happen, Karlsson with double retention would be worth a nice price....
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Acquiring Zegras to use him on the wing is a mistake. I think his skillset is best utilized at centre.
Also, this season he has shown an improvement with his 200 foot game and a little more attention to detail on the defensive side of the puck (at least in the five games I've watched him play.)
I definitely think his value is as a centre, not a winger.
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dracom
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So make a trade to just help the Pens and hope another team is interested in a double retained old declining Karlsson? Yeah dont see any reason why the ducks would do this.
StIvany4Norris
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Think the idea is moving Malkin to wing, he's looked pretty cooked as a top 6 C at this point
Huh? The idea is the Ducks using some of their cap space on retention and moving him to a third team because they apparently don't need him
Getting something like the Rangers first, a 1st/2nd from Karlsson depending on retention, Ned or an A- goalie prospect in Blomqvist/Murashov and maybe an additional pick/prospect would be quite the haul for Zegras and Gibson
It really wouldn't. It makes zero sense for them.
They trade a 24 year old top 6 forward and their #1 goalie for a 1st guaranteed to be outside the top 13 in a weak draft, an additional 1st/2nd from some mystery 3rd team that likely will be a bottom 5/10 pick in the weak draft, a goalie prospect they dont need, and maybe an additional pick/prospect.
They likely don't get 1 player that will touch their roster for 3/4 years, and make their team worse on the ice, and tie up their 2 remaining retention slots on 8ish mil in retained salary for another 2 season after this one.
It's actually wild you think this is a good deal for the Ducks long term, or short term.
Weltschmerz
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There is no double retention as the sharks already retain on that contract so the pens can retain and that’s it.
So your idea is the Ducks make the trade & then hope that they can unload Karlsson? If they can't will Pittsburgh void the trade & give everyone back then...?
(& as Weltschmerz pointed out, the Sharks are already retaining so whatever Pittsburgh retains is it)
Yeah, no.
BiolaRunner
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Has Seravelli been right about the Ducks about anything?
Verbeek took calls on Zegras. That doesn't mean he's on the block,
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Seravelli , yes. See : “Gibson will never play another game in Anaheim” from 2 summers ago.
The others - of read critically, their statements are either always THEIR opinions (Dreger in particular) or being told that “the Ducks are accepting offers”. NOBODY has said “The Ducks are actively trying to move Zegras” (what is typically meant by “on the block”), but rather the Ducks WOULD move Zegras for the right (very large) offer.
The usual sorta read what they want and flood the threads with offers they’d never accept should the teams be reversed.
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FiveTacos
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The Ducks need an impact scorer who's mid-career or younger. No one's giving that up in exchange for Karlsson. And even if by some miracle they were, the Pens would just make that deal themselves and skip the Ducks part of it.
FiveTacos
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"The dude you build around" isn't remotely available for those kind of assets, unless you're dealing with the Dallas Mavericks.
wintersej
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I’m actually curious about it Zegras after the draft when the Ducks likely are in a position where the best player on the board is yet another center.
Throwing up at the idea of Zegras to Pittsburgh. Most overrated player in the league. He is soft and always injured. Not the kind of player you build around. Anaheim will ask for a heavy price because he can do the Michigan, and every team in the league will balk
Dipsy Doodle
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Right. So the Pens are better off building from within *unless* a buy low situation opens up.
