Value of: Zegras to Pittsburgh

[Gliff]

"We wan't Zegras"
"He isn't for sale"
"He was rumored to be available for this"/"We offer this"
"Thats a terrible offer and probably a BS rumor"
"ZEGRAS SUCKS"

Glad to see this cycle still happens in every Zegras thread.
See you all in the next one.

 

[SEALBound]

I would do Koivunen+2nd for Zegras. Much past that, pass.

 

[BLNY]

Pretty much the opposite. The team's morale/outlook/attitude visibly improved when he returned from his latest injury.

Among all the other reasons that the Ducks won't trade him unless it's for one hell of a haul of quality & not quantity.

Now one of the many D in the pipeline or a F who hasn't gotten a real good look at the NHL level...maybe something there.

Yah. I'd never really heard/read anything that indicated he was. To me, that would be the only reason to trade him right now.

 

[All Mighty]

Strong rumor at the last draft was a deal was in place for Zegras. The cost was Mailloux + #21

So you’re probably looking at a similar price from Pitts if you want to pry him out

The actual rumor was that the Ducks were talking to Montreal about the #21 pick and then people made up the Mailloux/Zegras part of it. Anaheim was trying to trade up in the draft starting at pick #18 and they called every team with a pick until they finally got Toronto to give up the #24 pick.

 

[FiveTacos]

Trading Zegras for lesser parts/picks makes zero sense for where Anaheim is; they need to start turning/developing those high end assets into impact players, not moving in the opposite direction. Mid to low 1sts have a very small probability of developing into any kind of impact player.

They'd be better off packaging him with one of their many good young D, and maybe even their 1st (likely top 10), and go after a legit impact scorer who becomes available. If a big name gets shopped, that'd be a strong package.

Every time he plays C his production comes back, yet for whatever reason they keep trying him at wing, where his production just isn't there. Give credit to Cronin for getting him to play a much improved 200ft game, but his general usage makes no sense. He's also got McTavish playing wing now, which makes only marginally more sense. If he tries Carlsson at wing, he should have a brain scan done.

The actual rumor was that the Ducks were talking to Montreal about the #21 pick and then people made up the Mailloux/Zegras part of it. Anaheim was trying to trade up in the draft starting at pick #18 and they called every team with a pick until they finally got Toronto to give up the #24 pick.

Yeah, the Ducks would have almost no interest in Mailloux ... they have young RHD prospects of their own. The idea that they'd burn an asset like Zegras for him is a Habs fan pipe dream. It was made clear after the draft the target was Solberg, but no one in their right mind gives up a Zegras for that.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The actual rumor was that the Ducks were talking to Montreal about the #21 pick and then people made up the Mailloux/Zegras part of it. Anaheim was trying to trade up in the draft starting at pick #18 and they called every team with a pick until they finally got Toronto to give up the #24 pick.

This. There was never any reputable rumor that they were shopping Zegras, close to moving him or anything of the sort. A bit of baseless speculation about his availability after the Drysdale trade from Seravelli - and then that snowballed into a bunch of clickbait "rumors". LeBrun stated that the Ducks have not shopped Zegras to anyone but that was just sort of ignored.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't think there is any way that Zegras has that kind of value right now. He has had about a 40 point pace in each of the last 2 years and seems to have fallen out of favor a bit with Anaheim.

Koivunen+ is what I'd guess as the return, but I'd throw out Koivunen and the Rangers 2027 2nd for Zegras.

I mean if you don’t think he has that kind of value…

Then you really arnt interested

Strong rumor at the last draft was a deal was in place for Zegras. The cost was Mailloux + #21

So you’re probably looking at a similar price from Pitts if you want to pry him out

That rumor was baseless from obsessed Montreal fans/media

Anaheim wanted to move up for solberg

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I don't think there is any way that Zegras has that kind of value right now. He has had about a 40 point pace in each of the last 2 years and seems to have fallen out of favor a bit with Anaheim.

Koivunen+ is what I'd guess as the return, but I'd throw out Koivunen and the Rangers 2027 2nd for Zegras.

There's no reason for the Ducks to sell low on Zegras. You want to offer less than we'll see rentals getting? Good luck with that.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It's nice that Zegras has apparently taken strides rounding out his game, but if he's done that and completely sacrificed his offense to limit himself to being a 40-50 point player, that's still not good.

And I say that as a guy who doesn't like offense only guys.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I didn't mean that as they didn't like him, I meant it more as he's been surpassed by other guys. Maybe it's just due to injuries, but it seems like Zegras has lost his PP1 and top-6 C role that he had earlier in his career. That's what I meant when I said "fall out of favor".

I always figured Zegras was way better at C than he was at W, has he shown to be an effective winger? If so this proposal doesn't make sense, I was under the impression that Zegras lost his top-6 C spot and was more suited as a C than a W.

Long term he's been seen as a better option for the Ducks as a winger.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I mean if you don’t think he has that kind of value…

Then you really arnt interested


That rumor was baseless from obsessed Montreal fans/media

Anaheim wanted to move up for solberg

So Seravelli, Dreger and LeBrun were all making up these rumors about Zegras being on the block? Everyone’s a fraud but Anaheim fans know better?

Also, no one is obsessed with a soft 40 points, 6.5M player. Keep him if you want to but don’t act like he’s some sort of valuable asset that would return a king’s ransom.

 

[Gliff]

So Seravelli, Dreger and LeBrun were all making up these rumors about Zegras being on the block? Everyone’s a fraud but Anaheim fans know better?

Also, no one is obsessed with a soft 40 points, 6.5M player. Keep him if you want to but don’t act like he’s some sort of valuable asset that would return a king’s ransom.

5.75 mil.

Sounds good. /thread

 

[Baksfamous112]

5.75 mil.

Sounds good. /thread

This is not my thread and I’m not even a Pitts fan. That being said, you can mute this thread and let other people from Anaheim and Pittsburgh discuss this. You don’t have to engage if you’re interested. You know it’s not a requirement

 

[Gliff]

This is not my thread and I’m not even a Pitts fan. That being said, you can mute this thread and let other people from Anaheim and Pittsburgh discuss this. You don’t have to engage if you’re interested. You know it’s not a requirement

Doesn't that also apply to you? Youre not a fan of either team. We get it, you don't think Zegras is worth a lot.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So Seravelli, Dreger and LeBrun were all making up these rumors about Zegras being on the block? Everyone’s a fraud but Anaheim fans know better?

Also, no one is obsessed with a soft 40 points, 6.5M player. Keep him if you want to but don’t act like he’s some sort of valuable asset that would return a king’s ransom.

No I was specifically talking about the 21 and mailloux.

And he’s been supposedly on the block as long as gibson it seems…..

Maybe just maybe insiders don’t have an in on Anaheim…. We literally traded drysdale for cutter out of no where.

 

[WhyVerbeekWhy]

I don't think the coaching staff is oblivious to the fact Z is better at C and wishes to play C (gives him more passing options from the middle, keeps him more engaged, etc..)

I think they are using Z on wing to try and spark Leo, is all. I also think they like size up the middle, so Leo/McTavish are that. Strome, well no reason to break up that line it's had great chemistry.

 

[DearDiary]

24 year old winger that's 0.5 ppg, injury prone, significantly overpaid at 5.75 mill and a huge liability. Ducks are better off keeping him and hoping he gets his act together.

 

[MCB]

So Seravelli, Dreger and LeBrun were all making up these rumors about Zegras being on the block? Everyone’s a fraud but Anaheim fans know better?

Also, no one is obsessed with a soft 40 points, 6.5M player. Keep him if you want to but don’t act like he’s some sort of valuable asset that would return a king’s ransom.

Seravelli absolutely makes up rumors, Gibson was "never going to play another game as a duck", he's the worst of them.
Verbeek is listening, that's his job, no one on the team should be untouchable for the right price, but that price is probably what others don't want to pay.

 

[McDonald19]

He seems to have fallen out of favor with the Ducks, with him having a lot of injuries and losing his C/PP1 role in the past 2 years.

False narrative. Zegras is the Ducks most dynamic offensive player and the team has played much better since he returned to the lineup.

 

[Coffee]

False narrative. Zegras is the Ducks most dynamic offensive player and the team has played much better since he returned to the lineup.

Why is Killorn in the top 6

 

[lwvs84]

Why is Killorn in the top 6

Because Cronin likes to force things that don't work until they do. Every time Carlsson has some chemistry with a player aside from Zegras (McTavish, Colangelo), Cronin changed the lines. Ducks desperately need a new coach that can properly set lines and has a system that fits the players instead of forcing the players to fit his (ineffective) system.

 

[Gliff]

Why is Killorn in the top 6

When you figure it out can you let us know please.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So Seravelli, Dreger and LeBrun were all making up these rumors about Zegras being on the block? Everyone’s a fraud but Anaheim fans know better?

Also, no one is obsessed with a soft 40 points, 6.5M player. Keep him if you want to but don’t act like he’s some sort of valuable asset that would return a king’s ransom.

None of them ever said that the Ducks had him on the block. Seravelli said that they "may be willing to listen on Zegras" shortly after they traded his buddy Drysdale. Purely speculative on his part and he's shown to not have solid sources in Anaheim - claimed Gibson was done with the Ducks three years ago. LeBrun for his part, shot the "rumor" down by suggesting the Ducks had not offered Zegras to anyone or made him actively available.

Classic case where all the clickbait blogs saw speculation about a buzz worthy name and ran with it. There's never been any concrete reason to believe he's actually been more available than any other talented young player.

 

[MCB]

Why is Killorn in the top 6

Cronin believes he is working on our defensive abilities, and the offense will come later or something. It's bad and why many of our younger kids numbers look terrible. I will admit though that zegras has improved on both sides of the puck, so maybe I'm just impatient.

 

[Rec T]

Because Cronin likes to force things that don't work until they do. Every time Carlsson has some chemistry with a player aside from Zegras (McTavish, Colangelo), Cronin changed the lines. Ducks desperately need a new coach that can properly set lines and has a system that fits the players instead of forcing the players to fit his (ineffective) system.

Can we have that stickied at the top of any/every thread that involves an Anaheim player...pretty please.

Hopefully it would head off lots of the "Yeah, but 'X' sucks and has done so for a couple of years. Therefore we should be able to get him for next to nothing..."

I know very well it wouldn't...but one can dream right?