Value of: Zegras to Montréal (Montréal, Anaheim and Team X)

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Imo Zegras will not bring that kind of return. GM’s know he’s not the kind of player teams will win with yet he commands a big cap hit and needs cherry minutes to put up points.
A team will trade for him around the draft. But the return won’t be a high first.

Based on what, all those big games he excelled in prior to his time in Anaheim

 

[Rasp]

I would think Caufield and Zegras have the same value. Same age, same lack of variety in what they bring, same production pedigree... It's one of the reason I think Zegras to Montreal doesn't really make sense. In any case, Caufield for Zegras is a lateral move on both ends and doesn't achieve anything.

Yea Caufield and Zegras are fairly even value but Zegras plays C and Verbeek is allergic to small players so it would probably take more to pry him from the Ducks

 

[LuGBuG]

I think that Montréal's culture could help him

Why does he need help? Show me literally any evidence of what this poster said and what he needs help with besides defensively which is common for young players and he was showing strides in.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Only way Montreal deals their 2025 unprotected 1st is if they win the lottery this year, With the new rules, they wouldn't be eligible to win it again in 25.

I think that Montréal will try to be at least in the running as a Wild card next year

It's a huge gamble

 

[Moose Head]

Personally I don’t think it’s a good idea for the habs to give up what the Ducks would want for Zegras. It stinks of the Drouin trade.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Imo Zegras will not bring that kind of return. GM’s know he’s not the kind of player teams will win with yet he commands a big cap hit and needs cherry minutes to put up points.
A team will trade for him around the draft. But the return won’t be a high first.

How do GMS know they can’t win with a 22yo who hasn’t played in the post season yet?

As far as I know we haven’t developed the ability to tell the future yet, have we?

 

[mattyboy]

Winnipeg 1st Harris and Beck sounds fair

 

[Bouboumaster]

This guy again. Says all this with zero facts and uses zero logic. You actually have no idea what you are talking about and it’s creepy how much you dislike Zegras.

We don't need that here in this thread, I don't want this to turn into a shit show

Please be constructive, bring ideas, or don't participate at all

 

[LuGBuG]

Personally I don’t think it’s a good idea for the habs to give up what the Ducks would want for Zegras. It stinks of the Drouin trade.

Zegras two full nhl seasons have been better then any season Drouin ever had in the NHL.

Drouin also refused to work on his game.

The only comparison is they are both skilled center/wingers.

We don't need that here in this thread, I don't want this to turn into a shit show

Please be constructive, bring ideas, or don't participate at all

Ok well read the post I responded too that has no facts, all made up opinions with complete bias and say this to him too. I’m being constructive by refuting complete nonsense and lies.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If Montreal and Anaheim aren't good trade partners, what stops Team X (does Tim "Eater X" Janus own the team, btw?) from acquiring Zegras and simply cut Montreal out of it?

 

[Bouboumaster]

As a basis:

Montréal get: Zegras

Edmonton get: Savard, Colorado 2024 2nd

Anaheim get: Montréal 2024 1st cond. (Top 6 protected, could turn into 2025 unprotected), Edmonton 2024 1st, Choice of Harris, Barron or Kovacevic

Does this make sense:

Please, don't be butthurt: if you think it's unfair, provide your input or ideas to make it fairer

 

[LuGBuG]

How do GMS know they can’t win with a 22yo who hasn’t played in the post season yet?

As far as I know we haven’t developed the ability to tell the future yet, have we?

They don’t. Just fatass on HFBoards knows. With no facts, no examples, literally nothing at all, except his vast knowledge of a player he’s never watched except on sportscenter and seen on the cover of his precious nhl game.

 

[Bouboumaster]

If Montreal and Anaheim aren't good trade partners, what stops Team X (does Tim "Eater X" Janus own the team, btw?) from acquiring Zegras and simply cut Montreal out of it?

Well, would a team like Edmonton need Zegras?

Their needs are elsewhere IMO

 

[LuGBuG]

As a basis:

Montréal get: Zegras

Edmonton get: Savard, Colorado 2024 2nd

Anaheim get: Montréal 2024 1st cond. (Top 6 protected, could turn into 2025 unprotected), Edmonton 2024 1st, Choice of Harris, Barron or Kovacevic

Does this make sense:

Please, don't be butthurt: if you think it's unfair, provide your input or ideas to make it fairer

No point in providing the input and reasons when everyone will ignore it and spin false narratives.

 

[John Mandalorian]

As a basis:

Montréal get: Zegras

Edmonton get: Savard, Colorado 2024 2nd

Anaheim get: Montréal 2024 1st cond. (Top 6 protected, could turn into 2025 unprotected), Edmonton 2024 1st, Choice of Harris, Barron or Kovacevic

Does this make sense:

Please, don't be butthurt: if you think it's unfair, provide your input or ideas to make it fairer

It's not enough for Anaheim. Also, you cant pretend like this is taking place in a vacuum where there are no other interested teams.

 

[JianYang]

The Dubois talk has turned to zegras talk.

I said no to Dubois and I'm saying no to zegras as well.

 

[Bouboumaster]

It's not enough for Anaheim. Also, you cant pretend like this is taking place in a vacuum where there are no other interested teams.

I guess, but they'll have to Do better than 2 x first round picks already, which not many teams are ready to pay

What is needed to make it more fair for Anaheim in that case?

The Dubois talk has turned to zegras talk.

I said no to Dubois and I'm saying no to zegras as well.

I try to be constructive here, if you don't want to participate to the discussion or bring any proposals, please click away

I don't want this thread to turn into a shit show

 

[Miller Time]

Trades like this don't happen between 3 teams.

Habs fans want and expect to win every single trade by destroying the other team on value so what Anaheim would ask for will upset y'all to such an extent, this thread is a fool's errand.


So generous. Reduce the 2nd to a 5th rounder and replace Primeau with Armia and you're there on value.

Perhaps take a moment to use Google to check your statements before posting things that are demonstrably false... This ongoing obsession of posting shots at the Mtl fan base is quite sily as it is, but downright pathetic when accompanied with blatantly wrong statements like this.

If Montreal and Anaheim aren't good trade partners, what stops Team X (does Tim "Eater X" Janus own the team, btw?) from acquiring Zegras and simply cut Montreal out of it?

He's not a player they need/want...

Kinda obvious no?

 

[FiveTacos]

If Montreal and Anaheim aren't good trade partners, what stops Team X (does Tim "Eater X" Janus own the team, btw?) from acquiring Zegras and simply cut Montreal out of it?

Nothing. And if Mtl and Ana have similar needs, then why wouldn't the Habs simply make that trade and not deal with the Ducks at all?

There's a reason why 3 team trades are relatively uncommon.

 

[HuGort]

The goal is to bring Zegras to Montréal, to pay Anaheim with a fair/good price, and for a third team to get assets either for a Cup run, or for their rebuild

Why a 3rd team?
Because Montréal and Anaheim basically have the same Strength and Weaknesses, and because of that, they are poor trade partners

Montréal could take a bad contract, if it's for one year

Any team interested in available players from Montréal, Anaheim or both?

What would be a good template for this Trade?

According to TSN’s Pierre LeBrun, the Anaheim Ducks are listening to offers for Trevor Zegras & one of the 5 teams that have called them are the Habs.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Well, would a team like Edmonton need Zegras?

Their needs are elsewhere IMO

There are other teams in the league besides Edmonton.

 

[Cenzo_]

No point in providing the input and reasons when everyone will ignore it and spin false narratives.

What happened to Zegras this year? Is it mostly injuries or is there larger issues (bad game shape, personality clashes, mismatch with the coach's philosophy?)

 

[John Mandalorian]

Perhaps take a moment to use Google to check your statements before posting things that are demonstrably false... This ongoing obsession of posting shots at the Mtl fan base is quite sily as it is, but downright pathetic when accompanied with blatantly wrong statements like this.



He's not a player they need/want...

Kinda obvious no?

What are you referring to? Your comment doesn't seem to fit with my comment.

 

[toddkaz]

Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

 

[Miller Time]

It's not enough for Anaheim. Also, you cant pretend like this is taking place in a vacuum where there are no other interested teams.

Kinda like Monahan wont get a 1st

Ducks just traded an arguably similar or better young player, + a 2nd, for a recent 5OA pick...

A 1st in the 7-12 range, another 1st and a decent roster player is a better return than they just got. Maybe your trade value evaluation is just.... Off.