Value of: Zegras to Buffalo

[dracom]

Lol, ok bud. You can characterize it all you want but you are literally nitpicking at a word when its purely perspective.

Ducks listening to offers is shopping. TSN not Servalli.
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thanks for proving my point I guess? Nothing in that section says anything about the Ducks offering Zegras to other teams. Actively shopping a player and listening on offers is a pretty big difference. if it wasn't Z would have been traded already

 

[toddkaz]

thanks for proving my point I guess? Nothing in that section says anything about the Ducks offering Zegras to other teams. Actively shopping a player and listening on offers is a pretty big difference. if it wasn't Z would have been traded already

There is no difference.

Tell me, how did teams know Zegras is available without communicating he is available? Just magical communication? Or would Anaheim have to put it out there?

 

[dracom]

There is no difference.

Tell me, how did teams know Zegras is available without communicating he is available? Just magical communication? Or would Anaheim have to put it out there?

they called and asked? especially after having a down season, teams think they could get him for cheap. do you think teams only start calling other teams about players if they see rumors on TSN?

 

[toddkaz]

they called and asked? especially after having a down season, teams think they could get him for cheap. do you think teams only start calling other teams about players if they see rumors on TSN?

Oh I see just magically they knew to call.

My work is done here.

 

[John Mandalorian]

What does Gibson have anything to do with this? Zegras has played a total of 42 games since his 65 point sophomore season. It isn't like it was 10 years ago.

I get it, youre upset because Ducks fans didn't want to dump Gibson for nothing in the hope that he would rebound. it's time to get over it.

Cronin has proven to an incapable NHL coach. The Ducks shouldn't be moving anyone below the age of 25 until they fire Cronin.

I addressed your Gibson question before you asked. It helps to read and comprehend.

Gibson at his full price is terrifying. Yes, there needs to be some sort of abatement of risk. He’s not the glorious asset that you pretend he is.

Just like the last coach. Always the coach’s fault.

To be fair, he did a decent job in Loveland at developing young D. Perhaps he was hired for this purpose and thought of as a stop hap hire?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Don't be silly... They will ad Power.

Deal!

 

[Deviled]

There isn't a particular glaring need in the system, the Ducks are flush with young talent at all positions and really just need these top young players to start realizing their potential. There is a lack of high end scoring at the moment, but trading our most proven young offensive player does the opposite of addressing that need, unless in a package for an elite producer.

Once again need to understand that these "rumors" started from pure speculation that Zegras might be shopped, which has been refuted by more reputable sources. Anaheim has no reason or desire to trade him unless there is some sort of elite talent available for which they are building a package. These offers where teams throw together a first and spare parts, have zero intrigue from the Ducks side, does nothing but make a bad team worse when they are trying to do the opposite. They don't need picks and prospects, they need high end talents like Zegras.

The Ducks also need to realize that you dont build an entire team through your farm system. Zegras wont be moved for more youth; but if he is moved it would be wise to be traded for a proven veteran of a certain caliber

I see Ducks fans boasting their youth.. and its quite impressive. But no team in the games history has won with their youth being in every major position.

Whether its Zegras or McTavish (Carlsson isnt going anywhere, hes the most impressive of the three) the Ducks would do well to move one of them for a veteran winger to support their budding young centers

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The Ducks also need to realize that you dont build an entire team through your farm system. Zegras wont be moved for more youth; but if he is moved it would be wise to be traded for a proven veteran of a certain caliber

I see Ducks fans boasting their youth.. and its quite impressive. But no team in the games history has won with their youth being in every major position.

Whether its Zegras or McTavish (Carlsson isnt going anywhere, hes the most impressive of the three) the Ducks would do well to move one of them for a veteran winger to support their budding young centers

I think you have to be patient until someone pulls away.

Zegras worked on his weaknesses the last year and a half, and has improved a lot in those parts of the game..... the scoring hasnt come back yet but id be very hesitant to move him until we see how he looks with a coach change. The team spends a lot of time defending/playing chase (doesnt matter what line you look at).

I think the system is pretty terrible in both zones, and the team is struggling across the board.

A guy like McTavish has been awful, despite his 7 points (5 pp), most of the game hes been invisible, taking dumb penalties. Zegras is actually out scoring him on even strength.... and zegras has had some terrible luck.

 

[ohcomeonref]

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[FiveTacos]

The Ducks also need to realize that you dont build an entire team through your farm system. Zegras wont be moved for more youth; but if he is moved it would be wise to be traded for a proven veteran of a certain caliber

I see Ducks fans boasting their youth.. and its quite impressive. But no team in the games history has won with their youth being in every major position.

I think it's more likely one of the dmen will be moved at some point, just because they seem to be able to find really good ones without needing to use a high pick. Their forward picks outside the top of the draft haven't been as good, so guys like Zegras or McTavish would be harder to replace with comparable talent if they were moved.

There's no rush though ... I mean Zegras is the "old man" of the group at 23, while most of the other talented kids they have in the lineup are 19-21. At this point, the Ducks don't even really know what they have yet, so why rush anything? Due to injuries last year, their best young players barely got to play together. If you add up the games where they had all of Carlsson, McTavish, Zegras ... they haven't even had 30 total games in the lineup all at once. Trading anyone now is premature, unless they have a can't miss opportunity to land a star.

I think you have to be patient until someone pulls away.

Zegras worked on his weaknesses the last year and a half, and has improved a lot in those parts of the game..... the scoring hasnt come back yet but id be very hesitant to move him until we see how he looks with a coach change.

He's had 9 points in his last 14 games that he's played at C. Additionally, earlier last year he had 5 of his 7 points when he was at C while Leo sat out. So that's 14 points in around 20-ish games, which is interestingly enough right around his usual 60 point pace.

But at LW, he's only had 4 points in almost the same number of games. That's less than a 20 point pace.

Looking at those numbers, it appears that asking him to play defense hasn't hurt his production as a C at all. He just actually has to be allowed to stay at C.

 

[MMC]

Oh I see just magically they knew to call.

My work is done here.

My friend has Drake London in our dynasty league. I decided I wanted him, so I hit him up to ask if he'd be willing to trade him. Something tells me if I can figure this out as an armchair GM, NHL GMs also have this figured out

 

[toddkaz]

My friend has Drake London in our dynasty league. I decided I wanted him, so I hit him up to ask if he'd be willing to trade him. Something tells me if I can figure this out as an armchair GM, NHL GMs also have this figured out

Did 6 other teams hit you up all at the same time for the same player?

Cause you know apples to apples....Lets not be silly.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I think you have to be patient until someone pulls away.

Zegras worked on his weaknesses the last year and a half, and has improved a lot in those parts of the game..... the scoring hasnt come back yet but id be very hesitant to move him until we see how he looks with a coach change. The team spends a lot of time defending/playing chase (doesnt matter what line you look at).

I think the system is pretty terrible in both zones, and the team is struggling across the board.

A guy like McTavish has been awful, despite his 7 points (5 pp), most of the game hes been invisible, taking dumb penalties. Zegras is actually out scoring him on even strength.... and zegras has had some terrible luck.

I've said it before this season and it still holds true to me - if we were moving one of our bigger name young forwards in a deal for some star talent, I'd rather trade McTavish than Zegras

 

[Fjordy]

I've said it before this season and it still holds true to me - if we were moving one of our bigger name young forwards in a deal for some star talent, I'd rather trade McTavish than Zegras

I thought Verbeek was a fan of players like McTavish, big and strong, and was building a team on that principle.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I thought Verbeek was a fan of players like McTavish, big and strong, and was building a team on that principle.

That's definitely been a theme under Verbeek, but so has a major lack of scoring. Big and strong doesn't create offense, the Ducks are going to need their skilled young players to develop into high end producers or they need to put a package together for some star power. I think Z has a better shot at being a point per game type guy and it's not like McTavish is showing some beastly two way game that would make up for it.