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Dach doesn’t even really motivate me to move zegras at all.Dach certainly would need to be on the table for a Zegras trade to MTL.
I feel like dach upside is a decent 2c(60ish points).
Dach doesn’t even really motivate me to move zegras at all.Dach certainly would need to be on the table for a Zegras trade to MTL.
When they're lottery protected it's inherently an asset with value limitations. You get this pick unless it's high enough to help our rebuild then you gotta wait another year to find out where the pick ends up in the draft position blender. To say nothing of the fact that if it ends up being a 2025 pick, it's not as conducive to Anaheim's rebuild timeline.I've already stated I don't want zegras.
Speaking of that good faith arguments thing though, interesting that multiple firsts (including one from a team that been bottom 5 two seasons in a row) is considered scraps when you're trying to make a point.
You don't think 2 1sts + choice of prospects that also includes recent firsts is enough for a 3.5M dollar player according to his GM?
Dach doesn’t even really motivate me to move zegras at all.
I feel like dach upside is a decent 2c(60ish points).
Bold. Bold to dub the... well... bolded off the table for Trevor freaking Zegras.I'll keep it simple - if ANA decided to consider offers, I would assume they would want a futures-based package (McTavish, Leo, Minty, Zellweger timeline)
Montreal's 2024 1st (top 3 protected - if MTL wins the lottery, Anaheim gets 2025 1st unprotected)
Calgary's 1st (and the conditions associated with it)
Primeau (AHL/Depth goalie option for if they move Gibson)
Any prospect bar Hutson/Reinbacher/Slafkovsky OR NHLer bar Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, Newhook, Matheson.
This would be one of Beck, Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Farrell, Roy, Anderson - Matheson should be available but I think that would probably be an overpay?
Habs would likely give Zegras a contract similar to Suzuki/Caufield, setting up Dach for the same deal which would give them 4 forwards around that $8m to build around. He and Cole are good friends, and age/skill wise Zegras fits very well for Montreal.
For Anaheim, I don't think they should move Zegras but crazier things have happened - they get 2 1sts both likely to be in that 8-15 range and can add another prospect. Losing Zegras without adding NHL talent back likely sets them up for another top 3 pick in another top-heavy draft.
Same... i feel like zegras wouldnt want to play in Montreal anyway.... no way i could see him signing 8 years.That's fair enough, but he is at least an example one of the pieces that would need to be on the board. I don't really see Anaheim and Montreal as good trading partners anyway.
Zegras costs you Suzuki+ or 2 off Reinbscker , Slav, Caufield , top 5 pick.I'll keep it simple - if ANA decided to consider offers, I would assume they would want a futures-based package (McTavish, Leo, Minty, Zellweger timeline)
Montreal's 2024 1st (top 3 protected - if MTL wins the lottery, Anaheim gets 2025 1st unprotected)
Calgary's 1st (and the conditions associated with it)
Primeau (AHL/Depth goalie option for if they move Gibson)
Any prospect bar Hutson/Reinbacher/Slafkovsky OR NHLer bar Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, Newhook, Matheson.
This would be one of Beck, Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Farrell, Roy, Anderson - Matheson should be available but I think that would probably be an overpay?
Habs would likely give Zegras a contract similar to Suzuki/Caufield, setting up Dach for the same deal which would give them 4 forwards around that $8m to build around. He and Cole are good friends, and age/skill wise Zegras fits very well for Montreal.
For Anaheim, I don't think they should move Zegras but crazier things have happened - they get 2 1sts both likely to be in that 8-15 range and can add another prospect. Losing Zegras without adding NHL talent back likely sets them up for another top 3 pick in another top-heavy draft.
When they're lottery protected it's inherently an asset with value limitations. You get this pick unless it's high enough to help our rebuild then you gotta wait another year to find out where the pick ends up in the draft position blender. To say nothing of the fact that if it ends up being a 2025 pick, it's not as conducive to Anaheim's rebuild timeline.
I don't just say these things arbitrarily.
Maybe so, but Anaheim is in no hurry to trade Zegras. In any case this is a pointless exercise in semantics. When I said scraps I was clearly referring to here have two players from this group of guys with middling to low value and/or more uncertain potential.I'm sure Ottawa was gutted when they only received a protected first for Karlsson and it ended up being stutzle.
Or Colorado when they got a protected 1st from the sens and it ended up giving them Byram at #4.
A team that's bad enough to be in the lottery will probably still be around the lottery the next year.
Maybe so, but Anaheim is in no hurry to trade Zegras. In any case this is a pointless exercise in semantics. When I said scraps I was clearly referring to here have two players from this group of guys with middling to low value and/or more uncertain potential.
The fact adding matheson was an OVERPAYMENT for TREVOR ZEGRAS was the big lol for meI love how newhook and dach were on the untouchable list
it's a shitty offer, and you know it's a shitty offer. nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a quantity offer. Zegras differs from the likes of Fiala, Dubois, Duchene, because he's only 22 years old. A couple of firsts and a B prospect is what you pay for a 27 year old with a trade demand, not a young star with the bad fortune to be on a terrible team.It was 2 1sts from non-playoff teams + any prospect outside the top 3 from a top ~5 prospect pool in the league.
Tough to compare zegras to fiala/PLD situations. And the obvious age difference and potential difference.I get what people are saying but honesty find a comparison and see how much they got. How much better is Zegras then Fiala, PLD, etc
He won’t be traded but if he did demand a trade and sat out a year ( played this year in KHL ) then next offseason I could see him going for that package maybe less because he’d be absolutely hated by fans/teammates but I guess he isn’t a like that so the point is moot? Idk not going to be traded so I’m just don’t see a plausible situation besides that.
Problem is Anaheim is stacked on d prospects, I don’t think we could realistically part with a top forward prospect for a d prospect. Another reason why I don’t think Anaheim and Montreal would make good trade partners.I would put one of Ghule or Hutson in there for Zegras for sure.
You’re getting Zegras, and Newhook is untouchable?I'll keep it simple - if ANA decided to consider offers, I would assume they would want a futures-based package (McTavish, Leo, Minty, Zellweger timeline)
Montreal's 2024 1st (top 3 protected - if MTL wins the lottery, Anaheim gets 2025 1st unprotected)
Calgary's 1st (and the conditions associated with it)
Primeau (AHL/Depth goalie option for if they move Gibson)
Any prospect bar Hutson/Reinbacher/Slafkovsky OR NHLer bar Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, Newhook, Matheson.
This would be one of Beck, Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Farrell, Roy, Anderson - Matheson should be available but I think that would probably be an overpay?
Habs would likely give Zegras a contract similar to Suzuki/Caufield, setting up Dach for the same deal which would give them 4 forwards around that $8m to build around. He and Cole are good friends, and age/skill wise Zegras fits very well for Montreal.
For Anaheim, I don't think they should move Zegras but crazier things have happened - they get 2 1sts both likely to be in that 8-15 range and can add another prospect. Losing Zegras without adding NHL talent back likely sets them up for another top 3 pick in another top-heavy draft.
No deal with a D can be made They already got Drysdale Zelleweger Warren Minty, Luneau and Helleson. They have enough D. If Montréal want to get Zegras it start with Dach, a 1st and more.I'll keep it simple - if ANA decided to consider offers, I would assume they would want a futures-based package (McTavish, Leo, Minty, Zellweger timeline)
Montreal's 2024 1st (top 3 protected - if MTL wins the lottery, Anaheim gets 2025 1st unprotected)
Calgary's 1st (and the conditions associated with it)
Primeau (AHL/Depth goalie option for if they move Gibson)
Any prospect bar Hutson/Reinbacher/Slafkovsky OR NHLer bar Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, Newhook, Matheson.
This would be one of Beck, Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Farrell, Roy, Anderson - Matheson should be available but I think that would probably be an overpay?
Habs would likely give Zegras a contract similar to Suzuki/Caufield, setting up Dach for the same deal which would give them 4 forwards around that $8m to build around. He and Cole are good friends, and age/skill wise Zegras fits very well for Montreal.
For Anaheim, I don't think they should move Zegras but crazier things have happened - they get 2 1sts both likely to be in that 8-15 range and can add another prospect. Losing Zegras without adding NHL talent back likely sets them up for another top 3 pick in another top-heavy draft.