Zach Werenski should be considered for the Norris?

[Rowlet]

Stats are weird, so is the reverse true?

Hypothetical
If Werenski gets injured, no big deal.
If Hughes gets injured, guarantee 32nd.

I wouldn't say it's exactly like this, Werenski being injured would be a massive blow to the Blue Jackets, however in the chart below, you can see the monumental difference between Quinn Hughes and the rest of his team, where "Quinn Hughes the team" would be a top cup contender, and "Canucks no Hughes" would be a lottery team.

 

[Regal]

You're right about controlling possession, and that is our best guess about how goal results will end up in the long run. But all of these players are elite scorers too, and at the end of the season they should be judged on their goals results, so GF - GA not xGF - xGA.

I agree that results matter more than potential results for an individual season, but I think we always need to look for factors outside a players control. For instance, while it’s not relevant so much for Hughes, Makar and Werenski this season, goals against can be heavily impacted by goalies

 

[SillyRabbit]

The Canucks without Hughes made me spit out my drink lol, they're so bad they're literally off the charts.

 

[GoJackets1]

Who knew players could be so propped up playing with… *checks notes* elite forward Sean Monahan.

My takeaway from this thread at the moment is that I need to watch more Quinn Hughes.

 

[CBJx614]

 

[SallyBalls]

Definitely a finalist along with Makar and Hutson.

I think Hutson takes it though.

 

[Rowlet]

Who knew players could be so propped up playing with… *checks notes* elite forward Sean Monahan.

My takeaway from this thread at the moment is that I need to watch more Quinn Hughes.

Yep, the Monahan line has been extremely good.

 

[Cowumbus]

Give me some numbers to show how he's been better than Hughes outside of just points and I'll listen, I'm not interested in attention seeking blowhards on a podcast.

Poor Quinn Hughes has to carry Peterson, Miller, Boeser, DeBrusk, Garland alongside Hronek. Canucks finished with 109 points last year.

CBJ finished with 66 points last year, and their best player died. Currently in a playoff spot. Werenski isn’t just in Norris talks, but talks for the Hart Trophy.

All Strengths
10-23-86 with ZW: xGF 20.7 xGA 6.19 xGF% 77
10-23-86 w/o ZW: xGF 7.18 xGA 5.23 xGF% 57.8
5v5
10-23-86 with ZW: xGF 7.91 xGA 4.13 xGF% 65.7
10-23-86 w/o ZW: xGF 6.09 xGA 5.21 xGF% 53.89

All Strengths
74-9-6 with QH: xGF 6.61 xGA 2.7 xGF% 71
74-9-6 w/o QH: xGF 4.08 xGA 3.86 xGF% 51.35
5v5
74-9-6 with QH: xGF 3.42 xGA 0.96 xGF% 78
74-9-6 w/o QH: xGF 2.56 xGA 1.7 xGF% 60.12

Looks like DeBrusk-Miller-Boeser do just fine on their own too no?

 

[Rowlet]

Poor Quinn Hughes has to carry Peterson, Miller, Boeser, Garland alongside Hronek. Canucks finished with 109 points last year.

CBJ finished with 66 points last year, and their best player died. Currently in a playoff spot. Werenski isn’t just in Norris talks, but talks for the Hart Trophy.

10-23-86 with ZW: xGF 20.7 xGA 6.19 xGF% 77
10-23-86 w/o ZW: xGF 7.18 xGA 5.23 xGF% 57.8

Hughes is leading team scoring by 17 points while having no forward line be a net positive on their own.

The post you just quoted shows that none of those lines are capable of playing decent 5v5 hockey unless Hughes is on the ice.

Yes, I agree, the Blue Jackets' #1 line is better with Werenski on it, but I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, did you isolate the numbers to 5v5? If you did all strengths, it would include PP but not PK, all strengths give a number roughly 77%, so I think you did this.

Natural Stat Trick has them at 65.72% together, and 53.89% without Werenski, however Werenski drops to 45.35% xGF without them, so they are actually impacting Werenski's game more than the other way around.

And as I showed in this chart yesterday, both Miller and Pettersson's lines are completely dependent on Hughes being on the ice.

 

[Cowumbus]

The post you just quoted shows that none of those lines are capable of playing decent 5v5 hockey unless Hughes is on the ice.

Check again.

Natural Stat Trick has them at 65.72% together, and 53.89% without Werenski, however Werenski drops to 45.35% xGF without them, so they are actually impacting Werenski's game more than the other way around.

Thats not how that works, anyway, without them his actual GF% is 51%….

And as I showed in this chart yesterday, both Miller and Pettersson's lines are completely dependent on Hughes being on the ice.

Bro. A 10% increase? Or are you really trying to use the stats with <7 mins total ice time lmao.