Yzerman End of Season pressconference

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He’s been a 15 goal, 35 point guy that brings more physically than anyone else on the roster. On a reasonable contract, that’s a useful piece in the bottom 6.

We’ve got a handful of guys that contribute less.

You've repeated this claim but it's simply not true.

He is on a reasonable contract and far from the biggest problem on the team. I think he could also be utilized better (on the PK and net front). But he in no way brings more physically than anyone else on the roster.

 

[Chad Smiley]

Here’s my biggest problem with Yzerman. He took over a horrible situation in Detroit and think everyone would agree with that. But he continually has made this organization mediocre and that’s the worst thing you can do when you’re trying to build a Stanley cup champion. Not good enough to be a playoff team but not bad enough to draft the elite players. Continually wasting cap space on bad free agents and over paying them to boot. I’d rather lose 40 to 50 games every season then pick 8th to 15th every draft. Even when it’s clear the team is done in the playoff race they refuse to tank and think about draft position. This season is a prime example of that. It was clear as day the last 2 to 3 weeks teams were tanking. Nobody wins more meaningless games when the season is over than the Detroit Red Wings.

 

[SirloinUB]

You've repeated this claim but it's simply not true.

He is on a reasonable contract and far from the biggest problem on the team. I think he could also be utilized better (on the PK and net front). But he in no way brings more physically than anyone else on the roster.

Citations needed.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Citations needed.

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to.

Someone has previously stated that Ras is one of the most physical players on the team. If it wasn't you and I'm confusing you with someone else, I apologize. I assumed it was the same person making that claim but there might be two?

Even if it's the only time you've made the statement, it's still false.

If you're wanting citations proving Ras doesn't bring more physically than any other player on the team, Seider and Kasper have more hits than Ras. It's a bad metric for physicality but even using the one most advantageous to Ras, it's false. Other players who bring more physically include Seider, Chiarot, Fischer, Motte, Watson, Shine, Smith...

 

[RabidBadger]

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to.

Someone has previously stated that Ras is one of the most physical players on the team. If it wasn't you and I'm confusing you with someone else, I apologize. I assumed it was the same person making that claim but there might be two?

Even if it's the only time you've made the statement, it's still false.

If you're wanting citations proving Ras doesn't bring more physically than any other player on the team, Seider and Kasper have more hits than Ras. It's a bad metric for physicality but even using the one most advantageous to Ras, it's false. Other players who bring more physically include Seider, Chiarot, Fischer, Motte, Watson, Shine, Smith...

I didn't watch all the games, but of the ones I did I saw Debrincat drop the gloves more than Ras.

This narrative of "Ras is hated due to his draft position" is becoming the new "Abdelkader was hated because of his contract". Both are garbage takes. Ras could be a terror to play against but chooses the path of least resistance. His most noteworthy"physical " moment was knocking down 83lb. Jack Hughes.

 

[SoupGuru]

So, you take over a crappy team and you sell a ton of stuff to get as many draft picks as you can. You wait for them to develop while trying to ice a team that doesn't get blown out too much. You also want the kids to learn winning attitudes and whatever so you make sure you have some vets around. And you also make sure you aren't tied to any long contracts.

But at some point, you have to be buyers. You get a solid core of youngsters and then you need to find the pieces to fit in around them. I'm with Yzerman. I don't think this past season's team was worth dipping into the savings account for. I'm not going to be mad that some people felt like this was the season to make a splash. It sucks to watch this team be slightly less than mediocre all the time. But soon enough... The future looks bright.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Plus he is soft and have no hands in tight or in general. He is just big and young. In a redraft he would go in the late second early third round.

The fugg he would. Please name the 55 players that would go before Rasmussen.

Would most definitely still go in the first round.

 

[stillwater]

Watching the Blues/Jets. The Blues are absolutely relentless to a man. I dream of the Wings playing like that.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Watching the Blues/Jets. The Blues are absolutely relentless to a man. I dream of the Wings playing like that.

The Blues are a masterclass in team building without bottoming out too. Kyrou. Thomas. Buchnevich. Holloway. Snuggerud. Neighbours.Parayko. Fowler. Broberg. Every single one added without a single top 10 pick being involved.

 

[deca guard]

Watching the Blues/Jets. The Blues are absolutely relentless to a man. I dream of the Wings playing like that.

ive always seen boston organization/ownership (sans the thorton trade) as very smart . since blues getting montgomery from them i figured good things would happen as imo most important coach in sports is hockey and i knew if boston hired him he good

 

[Run the Jewels]

The Blues are a masterclass in team building without bottoming out too. Kyrou. Thomas. Buchnevich. Holloway. Snuggerud. Neighbours.Parayko. Fowler. Broberg. Every single one added without a single top 10 pick being involved.

Broberg and Fowler were acquired via trades. Jesse Wallin was there when guys like Dunn, Tage Thompson, Kyrou, and Thomas were drafted. Not sure what role he had, as he wasn't there when Neighbors and Snuggerud were drafted.

Here's hoping Wallin can help fix our s**tty North American drafting.

 

[Oddbob]

The Blues are a masterclass in team building without bottoming out too. Kyrou. Thomas. Buchnevich. Holloway. Snuggerud. Neighbours.Parayko. Fowler. Broberg. Every single one added without a single top 10 pick being involved.

Yes, but other than the 1 Cup they are mostly 1st and 2nd round fodder most years, with occasional misses.

 

[norrisnick]

Yes, but other than the 1 Cup they are mostly 1st and 2nd round fodder most years, with occasional misses.

Which is still solidly above average given it's a 32 team league...

 

[Pavels Dog]

Even when it’s clear the team is done in the playoff race they refuse to tank and think about draft position. This season is a prime example of that. It was clear as day the last 2 to 3 weeks teams were tanking. Nobody wins more meaningless games when the season is over than the Detroit Red Wings.

I would dispute that claim pretty strongly.

Pts% the last two months of the season:
24-25: 28th
23-24: 24th
22-23 27th.

Here’s my biggest problem with Yzerman. He took over a horrible situation in Detroit and think everyone would agree with that. But he continually has made this organization mediocre and that’s the worst thing you can do when you’re trying to build a Stanley cup champion. Not good enough to be a playoff team but not bad enough to draft the elite players.

Problem is there aren't many players taken ahead of Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson and Kasper that one would immediately trade them for. Arguably the biggest improvement would have been getting Stützle to have a 1/2 center punch with Larkin - and that wasn't Yzerman's fault but the lottery.

And, imo, any argument that it was realistic for Detroit to be a bottom 3 team in 2023 or 2024 is too silly to even entertain. We're talking 20 points worse in 2023 and 30 points worse in 2024. Not within reach by any reasonable means.

 

[Snuggs]

Yes, but other than the 1 Cup they are mostly 1st and 2nd round fodder most years, with occasional misses.

When we are all done living in the past what have you been watching better locally? I mean really what would be more entertaining to watch or go too? These playoff games with Montreal/Ottawa/St.Louis were competitive/entertaining.

Playoffs and a Stanley cup is so stupid... Glad Yzerman is here.

Blues have missed the playoffs 8 times in a total of 45 years... The organization is great at building competitive teams. Building a competitive team doesn't lock Yzerman or any organiztion into this Window of success like the Penguins/Blackhawks. More often than not teams have runs like Oilers, Rangers, Dallas, Carolina, San Jose with Thornton, etc, SO MANY good teams never meet the goal of a Stanely cup.

It's very hard through time to remain good/competitive without top picks. To me They're one of the most impressive organizations in sports. The ownership supplies their fans with a good product.

 

[SCD]

When we are all done living in the past what have you been watching better locally? I mean really what would be more entertaining to watch or go too? These playoff games with Montreal/Ottawa/St.Louis were competitive/entertaining.

Playoffs and a Stanley cup is so stupid... Glad Yzerman is here.

Blues have missed the playoffs 8 times in a total of 45 years... The organization is great at building competitive teams. Building a competitive team doesn't lock Yzerman or any organiztion into this Window of success like the Penguins/Blackhawks. More often than not teams have runs like Oilers, Rangers, Dallas, Carolina, San Jose with Thornton, etc, SO MANY good teams never meet the goal of a Stanely cup.

It's very hard through time to remain good/competitive without top picks. To me They're one of the most impressive organizations in sports. The ownership supplies their fans with a good product.

And Detroit made the playoffs for 25 straight years.

Do people really not understand what was sold to do that? Now we are living the aftermath.

The rebuild started from scratch in 2019 with one 18 year old.

 

[izlez]

Watching the Blues/Jets. The Blues are absolutely relentless to a man. I dream of the Wings playing like that.

Soooo, about that...

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

And Detroit made the playoffs for 25 straight years.

Do people really not understand what was sold to do that? Now we are living the aftermath.

The rebuild started from scratch in 2019 with one 18 year old.

The selling stopped after 2016. Trades Detroit made in 2004 to 2014 have little to no bearing on the team today, and aren’t part of why the team still sucks.

Missing out on anything in the 2015 draft, the best draft since 2003, hurts. So many top 50 scorers from that class.
Missing out in 2016’s 1st and 2nd round hurts us now. Again, lots of scoring from there.
Missing on the 2017 draft hurts us now. We drafted for size and toughness while having no skill to supplement.
Completely whiffing on the 2018 draft hurts us now. Where would Detroit be with another top 4 D?
Missing on the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 2019 to 2020 really hurts today.

The wings didn’t trade away the future for a run in those years. The rebuild was done wrong from the get go because of Holland. This would look like a very different team if they got it right in 50% of Holland’s last drafts.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Soooo, about that...

They pushed the top team in the league to game 7 in double OT. Respect that.

 

[izlez]

They pushed the top team in the league to game 7 in double OT. Respect that.

Sure, they played well. I just might specifically describe giving up 2 goals in the final 2 minutes and losing in overtime as relenting

 

[Run the Jewels]

I didn't know they employed Claude Julien. Happy they lost just for that fact.

 

[Run the Jewels]

And Detroit made the playoffs for 25 straight years.

Do people really not understand what was sold to do that? Now we are living the aftermath.

The rebuild started from scratch in 2019 with one 18 year old.

Ken Holland peddled a retool on the fly. The problem is his draft picks - primarily out of North America where he used his best draft capital - were utter s**t.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Missing out on anything in the 2015 draft, the best draft since 2003, hurts. So many top 50 scorers from that class.
Missing out in 2016’s 1st and 2nd round hurts us now. Again, lots of scoring from there.
Missing on the 2017 draft hurts us now. We drafted for size and toughness while having no skill to supplement.
Completely whiffing on the 2018 draft hurts us now. Where would Detroit be with another top 4 D?
Missing on the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 2019 to 2020 really hurts today.

Agree on 2015-2018. You can't miss that badly in the 1st round 4 years in a row entering a rebuild and not pay for it.

The last point however is like saying you're struggling to pay rent because you didn't pull a winning lottery ticket.

 

[Run the Jewels]

The last point however is like saying you're struggling to pay rent because you didn't pull a winning lottery ticket.

Sort of like trading Pavel Datsyuk's contract to Arizona so you could buy a lottery ticket to sign Steven Stamkos.

 

[DoMakc]

The selling stopped after 2016. Trades Detroit made in 2004 to 2014 have little to no bearing on the team today, and aren’t part of why the team still sucks.

Missing out on anything in the 2015 draft, the best draft since 2003, hurts. So many top 50 scorers from that class.
Missing out in 2016’s 1st and 2nd round hurts us now. Again, lots of scoring from there.
Missing on the 2017 draft hurts us now. We drafted for size and toughness while having no skill to supplement.
Completely whiffing on the 2018 draft hurts us now. Where would Detroit be with another top 4 D?
Missing on the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 2019 to 2020 really hurts today.

The wings didn’t trade away the future for a run in those years. The rebuild was done wrong from the get go because of Holland. This would look like a very different team if they got it right in 50% of Holland’s last drafts.

How did they miss on 2nd round in 2019 if Johansson was playing in top 4 last year?