Speculation: Your Teams Offer Sheet History

[Coach Parker]

Hey All!

I was just on the Bruins board discussing offer sheets regarding current players and after one poster claimed that they are almost never used a second poster asked me if other teams have experienced the offer sheet threat that made a trade possible. We have also added any offer sheets that took place or were matched post 2006. For example:

In Anaheim:

1. Edmonton Oilers offer sheet Dustin Penner; Anaheim accepts compensation.

In Boston:

1. Toronto Maple Leafs have offer sheet threat with Phil Kessel which forces the Bruins to trade Kessel to Toronto.
2. Edmonton Oilers have an offer sheet threat with Dougie Hamilton which forces the Bruins to trade Hamilton to Calgary.
3. Also, rumour had it that the Sharks would have OS'd Martin Jones in Boston who didn't need a pricey tandem - so it "forced" a trade.

In Buffalo:

1. Edmonton Oilers offer sheet Tomas Vanek; Buffalo matches.

In Calgary:

1. Calgary signs Ryan O'Reilly to an offer sheet; Colorado matches.

In Chicago:

1. Hjalmarsson signed with the Sharks, which forced the Hawks to match...which led to Niemi shaking loose as a free agent, whom Doug Wilson immediately signed.

In Colorado:

1. Calgary signs Ryan O'Reilly to an offer sheet; Colorado matches.

In Edmonton:

1. Edmonton Oilers have an offer sheet threat with Dougie Hamilton which forces the Bruins to trade Hamilton to Calgary.
2. Edmonton Oilers sign Tomas Vanek to offer sheet; Buffalo matches.
3. Edmonton Oilers sign Dustin Penner to offer sheet; Anaheim accepts compensation.

In Nashville:

1. The Flyers offer-sheeted Weber and Nashville matched.

In Ottawa:

1. Tampa Bay threatens to offer sheet Andrej Meszaros in Ottawa; Ottawa forced to trade him to Tampa Bay.

In Philadelphia:

1. The Flyers offer-sheeted Kesler and Vancouver matched.
2. The Flyers offer-sheeted Weber and Nashville matched.

In San Jose:

1. Hjalmarsson signed with the Sharks, which forced the Hawks to match...which led to Niemi shaking loose as a free agent, whom Doug Wilson immediately signed.
2. Also, rumour had it that the Sharks would have OS'd Martin Jones in Boston who didn't need a pricey tandem - so it "forced" a trade.

In St.Louis:

1. Vancouver offer sheet to Backes; St.Louis matches.
2. St.Louis offer sheet to Bernier; Vancouver matches.

In Tampa Bay:

1. Tampa Bay threatens to offer sheet Andrej Meszaros in Ottawa; Ottawa forced to trade him to Tampa Bay.

In Toronto:

1. Toronto Maple Leafs have offer sheet threat with Phil Kessel which forces the Bruins to trade Kessel to Toronto.

In Vancouver:

1. Vancouver offer sheet to Backes; St.Louis matches.
2. St.Louis offer sheet to Bernier; Vancouver matches.
3. The Flyers offer-sheeted Kesler and Vancouver matched.

Even though no offer sheet was signed in either situation it is clear that the tool was used to force a trade.

Has your team been on one end or another of these situations that you could point out for us?

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[McTrashBoat]

Hey All!

I was just on the Bruins board discussing offer sheets regarding current players and after one poster claimed that they are almost never used a second poster asked me if other teams have experienced the offer sheet threat that made a trade possible. For example:

In Boston:

1. Toronto Maple Leafs have offer sheet threat with Phil Kessel which forces the Bruins to trade Kessel to Toronto.
2. Edmonton Oilers have an offer sheet threat with Dougie Hamilton which forces the Bruins to trade Hamilton to Calgary.

Even though no offer sheet was signed in either situation it is clear that the tool was used to force a trade.

Has your team been on one end or another of these situations that you could point out for us?

Did it really force them? If Hamilton signed for the same Calgary contract, Boston would have got more and better picks as compensation right?

 

[CDN24]

Hey All!

I was just on the Bruins board discussing offer sheets regarding current players and after one poster claimed that they are almost never used a second poster asked me if other teams have experienced the offer sheet threat that made a trade possible. For example:

In Boston:

1. Toronto Maple Leafs have offer sheet threat with Phil Kessel which forces the Bruins to trade Kessel to Toronto.
2. Edmonton Oilers have an offer sheet threat with Dougie Hamilton which forces the Bruins to trade Hamilton to Calgary.

Even though no offer sheet was signed in either situation it is clear that the tool was used to force a trade.

Has your team been on one end or another of these situations that you could point out for us?

Not really, there are a possibility but the only reason there was an offersheet threat in either the kessel case or dougie case was Bostons cap situation.

In the Kessel case they gave the money to others that off season and it was pretty clear the had no intention of retaining phil

In the Hamiliton is was poor cap mgmt. over the last couple seasons. Generally in the cap era the offersheet only is a threat if a team can't match. In either event they lose the player either for compensation or a trade.

In both cases it seems Boston did not want to keep the player, Phil they chose to pay others instead and I think the DH situation it was less the offersheet threat than the thought that he would not sign LT with the B's or they did not want EDM to be the ones signing him to an offer sheet. A little of Cam's pride getting in the way of a sound hockey decision maybe- that has never happened before has it?

 

[bleedblue1223]

The Canucks offer-sheeted Backes, which we matched, but we followed it up with a 1-year offer sheet for Steve Bernier, who at the time was with the Canucks.

Didn't lead to a trade like you are suggesting, but fits the narrative of retaliating with another offer sheet.

 

[Coach Parker]

The Canucks offer-sheeted Backes, which we matched, but we followed it up with a 1-year offer sheet for Steve Bernier, who at the time was with the Canucks.

Didn't lead to a trade like you are suggesting, but fits the narrative of retaliating with another offer sheet.

Thanks! Will add it to OP.

 

[RammsteinGT]

Hjalmarsson signed with the Sharks, which forced the Hawks to match...which led to Niemi shaking loose as a free agent, whom Doug Wilson immediately signed.

Also, rumour had it that the Sharks would have OS'd Martin Jones in Boston who didn't need a pricey tandem - so it "forced" a trade.

 

[northeastern]

Did it really force them? If Hamilton signed for the same Calgary contract, Boston would have got more and better picks as compensation right?

IIRC the Bruins got the same package the offer sheet would have got then just a year earlier for all the picks. The Bruins also offered a deal very similar to what he signed and he refused.

 

[Rebels57]

The Flyers offer-sheeted Chris Gratton, Ryan Kesler and Shea Weber off the top of my head. Tampa declined on Gratton. Kesler and Weber were matched.

The Flyers forfeited four 1st round picks to Tampa Bay when they declined to match on Gratton. The Flyers then traded Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis to Tampa Bay to get the four 1st round picks back.

Those picks turned into:

1997: Jean-Marc Pelletier
1998: Simon Gagne
1999: Maxime Ouellet
2000: Justin Williams

 

[Stuzchuk]

OTT, none that I can think off...

 

[Coach Parker]

Thanks all! So far I've added each teams responses to the OP. I'll keep updating it as it unfolds and see which teams have had the offer sheet history come into play and how often.

 

[bleedblue1223]

From 90-95 the Blues dominated offer sheets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets

 

[COHawk]

Rumor has it an offer sheet was incoming to Saad had he not been traded to CBJ.

 

[HydroF]

2. Also, rumour had it that the Sharks would have OS'd Martin Jones in Boston who didn't need a pricey tandem - so it "forced" a trade.

This seems like a highly unlikely scenario. Considering Boston didn't need Jones and pretty much immediately traded him to San Jose who did want him but would have been next to impossible to acquire from rival Kings, it is much more likely that this was an arrangement already discussed between SJ and Boston. Even if that isn't the case, how quickly Boston dealt him off and how little need they even had for him really just doesn't fit a narrative of SJ pressuring Boston with an OS. This "rumour" just doesn't seem credible.

 

[Coach Parker]

Rumor has it an offer sheet was incoming to Saad had he not been traded to CBJ.

Was the offer sheet from Columbus?

 

[Savant]

As a free agent during the summer of 1997, Joe Sakic signed a three-year, $21 million offer sheet with the New York Rangers as a restricted free agent. Colorado obviously matched.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Wasn't it Edmonton that offer sheetfed Vanek in Buffalo

Nvm just read the link above. Crazy, I never knew about the Calgary offering Selanne one

 

[Ainsy01]

CGY flames offer sheeted O'Reilly when he was in COL, which they matched, thank god.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...lly-offer-sheet-a-big-mistake-all-around.html

 

[Coach Parker]

CGY flames offer sheeted O'Reilly when he was in COL, which they matched, thank god.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...lly-offer-sheet-a-big-mistake-all-around.html

Thanks! Updated above and I'm only going to use 2006 on which has the common compensation as it seems before that had some varying compensation that we can't really compare to today's game and business model.

I'd love to keep adding any other rumours or ones like the Saad one to try and get a better idea of the threat and consequences of the threats (the Kessel situation).

 

[VoidCreature]

In New Jersey, St. Louis claimed Brendan Shanahan on a offer sheet.

We got Scott Stevens in return.

 

[voxel]

2. Edmonton Oilers have an offer sheet threat with Dougie Hamilton which forces the Bruins to trade Hamilton to Calgary.

This is BS. Link?

 

[COHawk]

Was the offer sheet from Columbus?

That is uncertain. He might not be the best example for this thread, as nobody really knows who was going to submit an offer to him, however it was almost certain he would have received at least one.

 

[McTrashBoat]

This is BS. Link?

He only said threat, doesn't even mean Chia called Boston, just that it was speculated

 

[voxel]

He only said threat, doesn't even mean Chia called Boston, just that it was speculated

Then there should be dozens of threats listed then. Let's add

Boston threatens to offer sheet Trouba

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/...er-sheet-for-Winnipeg-Jets-D-man-Jacob-Trouba

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I know there is a somewhat unwritten rule amongst GM's not to do them... which I think is stupid... id love to see more of these happen. Im surprised they aren't utilized on a regular basis every off season. Especially seeing that it seems so many teams are in cap trouble

 

[dracom]

I know there is a somewhat unwritten rule amongst GM's not to do them... which I think is stupid... id love to see more of these happen. Im surprised they aren't utilized on a regular basis every off season. Especially seeing that it seems so many teams are in cap trouble

Because when you OS someone, you're going to be overspending on a player. Now you're the team in cap trouble and another team is just going to OS your player because you're cap trouble.