Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[SirKillalot]

ASP's value gets significantly capped if you have Seider and Dobson on the right side.

For what will come next right side D-man don't have experience playing their off-side in almost all cases. Remember how terribly the Seider - Hronek experiment was for this reason. It has failed around the league, if you're going to go get Dobson and extend him for big term ASP is really the primary big asset we should be offering the Islanders. If he has more value, that should lessen what is needed in the rest of the package.

I agree with the reasoning. However, there isn't a sure thing that ASP will develop to be that stud offensively or get fairly decent defensively on an NHL level. So if we can avoid it, I would rather avoid including him and putting some forward prospect(s) or another d-man in that mix instead like Buium/Wallinder.
Of course would like to avoid some forwards as well but others could be in the mix. Like would rather trade MBN than ASP.

If one can have Seider, Dobson, ASP on the right side with ASP on PP duties, that is what we need.
And Islanders most likely drafting Schaefer so its not like they must include ASP in a deal.

 

[Ricelund]

Are people going to lament every player traded that doesn't go to the Wings?

Yes

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Come on someones gotta want Tank for free lol.

I imagine his eight team trade list makes it complicated

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I agree with the reasoning. However, there isn't a sure thing that ASP will develop to be that stud offensively or get fairly decent defensively on an NHL level. So if we can avoid it, I would rather avoid including him and putting some forward prospect(s) or another d-man in that mix instead like Buium/Wallinder.
Of course would like to avoid some forwards as well but others could be in the mix. Like would rather trade MBN than ASP.

If one can have Seider, Dobson, ASP on the right side with ASP on PP duties, that is what we need.
And Islanders most likely drafting Schaefer so its not like they must include ASP in a deal.

I doubt he develops into an offensive star behind Seider and Dobson the opportunities just won't be there in that scenario. If we are acquiring a left D this whole conversation shifts on a dime and I get a lot more worried. In the scenario where we acquire Dobson the two prospects I am trying to protect are Danielson and MBN.

MBN is currently the only plus physical top of the lineup potential player we have. I mean Mazur could knock it out of the park as a pest. But I think it is going to be important to have a MBN and Kasper in that top 6. That's are future forecheck or housing them together to score and defend which I like assuming you can find the right balance on a different top 6 line.

I think we talked about ASP having you hope a Adam Fox kind of development as what you ideally see. I am arguing over in the International thread to leave Adam Fox off the Olympic roster because of his defense. While I think he has passable defense and it will get better it isn't the hallmark of his game. Carrying an offensive D on the right side when you have two 23 to 25 minute D that actually play top 30 offense statistically already just doesn't scan for me. I get that he could develop into a better player, I doubt we will rue that day because we will spend at least the next 6 seasons with a top 5 right side in the league absent him.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Verbeek is supposed to be getting aggressive, do you think there’s a trade somewhere in there between us and for one of their prospects?

 

[DTR]

Verbeek is supposed to be getting aggressive, do you think there’s a trade somewhere in there between us and for one of their prospects?

If the teams make a trade, it’ll likely be Detroit trading for Gibson.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Verbeek is supposed to be getting aggressive, do you think there’s a trade somewhere in there between us and for one of their prospects?

Terry for Danielson and 13?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Terry for Danielson and 13?

Terry isn't worth 13 by himself. GTFO dude. He's a small 50 point winger that sucks defensively. He's a bad team scorer.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Terry isn't worth 13 by himself. GTFO dude. He's a small 50 point winger that sucks defensively. He's a bad team scorer.

Hmm, okay. Always impressed me when I watched Ducks games but maybe I didn’t catch his defensive game well. Being a + player on the Ducks seems pretty good though.

 

[jkutswings]

Verbeek is supposed to be getting aggressive, do you think there’s a trade somewhere in there between us and for one of their prospects?

Hey, if Verbeek is feeling frisky, he can have 13 overall, MBN, and Danielson...

...for Carlsson.

 

[SirKillalot]

I doubt he develops into an offensive star behind Seider and Dobson the opportunities just won't be there in that scenario.

That depends on the coach(es). Also Seider can play left if ASP becomes that good.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

That depends on the coach(es). Also Seider can play left if ASP becomes that good.

Said in the first post, but give me the right handed dman that plays LD well let’s just say in the last 20 years?

Seider was noticeably worse when we tried this a bit with him and Hronek. Seider was better than Hronek who was a flat out disaster on his offside. What that comes down to is a lot of left handed Dman grow up playing their offside, virtually none of right handed dman do. So you’re asking them to do it at the highest level with virtually no experience outside of offensive zone starts.

I think ASP is a great prospect, but this is Buffalo putting their defensive eggs in Dahlin, Byram, Power all on the same side and moving one to their offside. Guess what the one without the longterm deal and RFA status is doing to Buffalo right now. It is even more extreme because the rarity of right handers attempting this in the proposed situation.

By the way if the Islanders value ASP massively there is a long shot that you have put together a package and kept our first to spin for Robertson or something else up front.

 

[The Zermanator]

In this scenario, the "fall-back option" is Dobson though, as well as Seider and Edvinsson already being there. So I don't really see the logic.
Organizationally I still believe this team's biggest questionmark is the center position, in the short and long term.

I wouldn't say that any of Seider, Edvinsson, or Dobson fit ASP's mold in the way that Kasper and Danielson are similar. Kasper and Danielson, though they do have their stylistic differences, are both defensively responsible centres with really good but not elite offensive upside. We don't have an elite offensive specialist like ASP is currently projecting to be in the system.

But the "fall-back" aspect wasn't really the main point of my preference towards trading Danielson over ASP. I simply think that ASP is going to be the player with more value going forward, positional need notwithstanding. In other words, ASP could be traded for a better C than Danielson, but Danielson would not be able to be traded for a better dman than ASP. Keeping ASP is the better value, even if we have more organizational depth at D than C.

ASP's value gets significantly capped if you have Seider and Dobson on the right side.

For what will come next right side D-man don't have experience playing their off-side in almost all cases. Remember how terribly the Seider - Hronek experiment was for this reason. It has failed around the league, if you're going to go get Dobson and extend him for big term ASP is really the primary big asset we should be offering the Islanders. If he has more value, that should lessen what is needed in the rest of the package.

The bolded is what would get me behind supporting ASP instead of Danielson.

If the rest of the package is the same either way, then I think we can get better value out of including Danielson in the Dobson package rather than ASP. Worst case scenario there, we can flip ASP for a different C now or down the line. As I said above, I think there's a good chance that gets you a better C than Danielson. So if ASP really wouldn't have a viable future in Detroit with Seider and Dobson there, best case scenario would be including Danielson in a Dobson deal and then moving ASP for an upgrade on Danielson when the opportunity presents itself.

But if moving ASP allows the rest of the package to be less costly, then I can see the value in that as well.

 

[deca guard]

NHL Rumour Report
Elliotte Friedman: Utah, Detroit, Edmonton, San Jose and Philadelphia are looking at goaltending - SN 590

 

[GreatGordie9]

NHL Rumour Report
Elliotte Friedman: Utah, Detroit, Edmonton, San Jose and Philadelphia are looking at goaltending - SN 590

Hopefully by 5PM Eastern Friday Holl will be bought out

 

[Oddbob]

Why do we want 31 year old Hertl with 5 years left on his deal?