Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[DoMakc]

Dobson is not a 1way player. Anyone saying that doesn’t watch him play and is doing the usual “this D scores point so he must suck defensively”. Hes a strong 2way D, though he didn’t PK because NYI had better options already.

Danielson can still hit but it’s crazy to act like he has more value than ASP.

Danielson has more value to Red Wings in a situation where they are getting Dobson. Even if ASP is going to be a better player (which is debatable), he is not going to play center. Value is never absolute, at least that what i was told in my business administration courses. If you believe that ASP is going to be such a great player you just don't trade for Dobson, but get rather a LHD with a more of defensive profile (Gavrikov, Miller, etc.)

 

[Electric Eric]

Hertl might be in play, not sure if we have the assets to swing for both Dobson and Hertl but that would be quite the summer if we could snag both without gutting the prospect pool.

 

[Henkka]

Calling Dobson a 70 point guy is like calling Cheechoo a 50 goal guy. Or me a plus golfer because I went under par 1 time.

Dobson is 0.69 points per game player for last 3 seasons.
76 games, 11 goals + 42 assists = 53 points on average.

As a comparison, Seider is 0.53 points per game player.
82 games, 7 goals + 37 assists = 44 points on average, for last 3 seasons.

That would be nice combo to have on RD.

Then Edvinsson on the left side.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Dobson is not a 1way player. Anyone saying that doesn’t watch him play and is doing the usual “this D scores point so he must suck defensively”. Hes a strong 2way D, though he didn’t PK because NYI had better options already.

Danielson can still hit but it’s crazy to act like he has more value than ASP.

ASP's value gets significantly capped if you have Seider and Dobson on the right side.

For what will come next right side D-man don't have experience playing their off-side in almost all cases. Remember how terribly the Seider - Hronek experiment was for this reason. It has failed around the league, if you're going to go get Dobson and extend him for big term ASP is really the primary big asset we should be offering the Islanders. If he has more value, that should lessen what is needed in the rest of the package.

 

[schuelma24]

ASP's value gets significantly capped if you have Seider and Dobson on the right side.

For what will come next right side D-man don't have experience playing their off-side in almost all cases. Remember how terribly the Seider - Hronek experiment was for this reason. It has failed around the league, if you're going to go get Dobson and extend him for big term ASP is really the primary big asset we should be offering the Islanders. If he has more value, that should lessen what is needed in the rest of the package.

agree. If Dobson is in play, ASP is the logical chip to play.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Hertl might be in play, not sure if we have the assets to swing for both Dobson and Hertl but that would be quite the summer if we could snag both without gutting the prospect pool.

13 + Wallinder/Buium/Tuomist for Hertl is something I do. Vegas wants to clear cap for Marner. That does it for them.

 

[Henkka]

Hertl is really a very interesting player. One of the best net-front Centers, learned a lot from Pavelski.

And that kind of guy is a perfect fit to our team, where mostly the skill lies on wings (Raymond, Kane).

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Hertl might be in play, not sure if we have the assets to swing for both Dobson and Hertl but that would be quite the summer if we could snag both without gutting the prospect pool.

Hertl will be 32 with 5 years left in November. Unless it's a free cap dump for us so they can go gallivanting for Marner in a week.

If they actually want good assets they can go pound sand.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Only concern with Hertl is he'll be 32 at the start of the season. Doesn't exactly fit our window. He also has a three team approved trade list, hard to believe Detroit would be approved by him.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

13 + Wallinder/Buium/Tuomist for Hertl is something I do. Vegas wants to clear cap for Marner. That does it for them.

That's more than they paid for him with a ton of retention.

 

[Henkka]

In big picture I don't understand this Marner/Vegas/Hertl scenario at all.

Vegas backbone is their Center core. Eichel-Karlsson-Hertl. And they have no one on the roster to grow on bigger role. Eichel is UFA in 1 year too.

Now there's those nonsense rumours, "oh they will get Marner, just trade Hertl and Karlsson away, so easy". Yeah, and have a team with 10 wingers?

I don't believe on this shit at all.

Think it's mostly agents just fooling us, with least possible rumours. Same with Dallas. They have absolutely no cap space after adding Rantanen, and Marner plays the same spot. Just ridiculous.

Give me some real rumours, with real possibilities.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

In big picture I don't understand this Marner/Vegas/Hertl scenario at all.

Vegas backbone is their Center core. Eichel-Karlsson-Hertl. And they have no one on the roster to grow on bigger role. Eichel is UFA in 1 year too.

Now there's those nonsense rumours, "oh they will get Marner, just trade Hertl and Karlsson away, so easy". Yeah, and have a team with 10 wingers?

I don't believe on this shit at all.

Think it's mostly agents just fooling us, with least possible rumours. Same with Dallas. They have absolutely no cap space after adding Rantanen, and Marner plays the same spot. Just ridiculous.

Give me some real rumours, with real possibilities.

Pietrangelo will go on LTIR, maybe for the season. According to Kypreos maybe for the rest of his career. So there is big fat chunk. If they move out Karlsson, then they are basically fine.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Danielson has more value to Red Wings in a situation where they are getting Dobson. Even if ASP is going to be a better player (which is debatable), he is not going to play center. Value is never absolute, at least that what i was told in my business administration courses. If you believe that ASP is going to be such a great player you just don't trade for Dobson, but get rather a LHD with a more of defensive profile (Gavrikov, Miller, etc.)

I agree with that.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

That's more than they paid for him with a ton of retention.

True. I don't think that Hertl is going to be as cheap as Zegras. It'd be awesome if we could get him for a 2nd, 4th and a low tier roster player or a B/C level prospect.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

How about Hertl + Hague for 13 + a 3rd?

 

[Frk It]

How about Hertl + Hague for 13 + a 3rd?

As others have mentioned, Hertl has a NMC which turns into a 3 team trade list on 7/1.

I doubt very very very much we would be on that list, so moot point.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

As others have mentioned, Hertl has a NMC which turns into a 3 team trade list on 7/1.

I doubt very very very much we would be on that list, so moot point.

I dont want to be on that list.

 

[SirloinUB]

I would have given a 4th round pick for Evander Kane

 

[schuelma24]

I would have given a 4th round pick for Evander Kane

I would too. I wouldn’t cut my cap space by 5 million dollars on June 25th though.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

5mil for a guy I have never been a fan of, no thanks.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

vegas does my strat on nhl games.

Ship off guys who’ve been loyal to you for assets, sign the top free agents, use the assets to get guys at the deadline. Rinse and repeat. theyll never draft but they wont need to since everyone wants to go there

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Are people going to lament every player traded that doesn't go to the Wings?

Kane had a 16 team NTC. Three teams were apparently in on him and they traded him to his hometown.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Come on someones gotta want Tank for free lol.

 

[GreatGordie9]

Holl better be either traded or bought out by Friday. Tarasenko hopefully will get traded. I wouldn't bet on it though.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

We can't trade for Evander Kane, we already(presumably) have Patrick Kane. Only one Kane per team.