Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[MarioBalotelli]

Trade Larkin. Establish new identity with new captain.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Trade Larkin. Establish new identity with new captain.

Larkin, Ras, Berg and 13th for Connor.

 

[MarioBalotelli]

Larkin, Ras, Berg and 13th for Connor.

Kyle Connor? Don't think he's available. And why would wpg downgrade a player consistently helping them get into post season for Larkin. Obviously do it if they want but can't see it.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Kyle Connor? Don't think he's available. And why would wpg downgrade a player consistently helping them get into post season for Larkin. Obviously do it if they want but can't see it.

Because they only have one year left on his deal and he could leave for nothing? Look at Rantanen

 

[MarioBalotelli]

Because they only have one year left on his deal and he could leave for nothing? Look at Rantanen

Fair enough

 

[FMichael]

If the rumor is true that Robertson in Dallas is available I would definitely jump all over that. 13th overall ++

Yeah - not sure why that’s the case…Is/was there some discontent in Dallas?

 

[RabidBadger]

As funny as their misery has been, they have elite talent and a lot of those guys are pretty young still. You can just keep trying to build different supporting groups around them and make coaching changes, and sometimes you will get the breakthrough after awhile (see: Edmonton).

I can subscribe to that. This might be their best chance to make meaningful changes instead of repeating a failing formula year in and out. Even Kenny knew in Edmonton trotting out a turbo charged offense and a substandard defense was a losing situation.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

One of the reasons Kyle Connor would come would probably to play with Larkin.

 

[USAHockey97]

It's a low bar to set. Do I think we're building a group that can get to the ECFs? Yes.

It'll depend on how the current prospects still pan out.

That’s the key. We have to wait and see. Right now I don’t think the Wings prospect pool is talented enough from the picks they’ve made. I believe Yzerman is going to have make a big move or two.

 

[USAHockey97]

I have been saying a lot of this for years. Re-building a roster right now into a contender is by far the hardest that task has ever been.

Like yeah, no shit we can all hope we come out of this ahead of where Toronto is right now. That's fine.

But how likely do people think that actually is? If that is where you are going to choose to set your bar as far as expectations, I think you are choosing to have your head in the clouds and should understand that.

Agreed. The Wings did not land the generational talent they needed at the top of the draft. They also didn’t get a gem or two in the 2nd or later rounds. At this time, I don’t expect them to be as good as some of the teams in the league.

 

[Winger98]

Can someone define what they want when they say a first line lw? I am looking at other teams around the league, and it's not like the best teams have six forwards putting up 60+ points. Most have 3. Some have four. Dallas ended up with 5, but they are now immediately having cap issues.

I'm looking at the wings, and I can see us needing someone who can skate there and compliment Larkin/Raymond, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a guy who can pot 30+. I see a bigger issue with us not being a defensive sieve and carrying massive negatives up and down the lineup.

I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue guys like Robertson or Marner, but that having Larkin/Raymond/Debrincat at the top of the lineup actually compares pretty well production wise to a lot of teams across the league.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Can someone define what they want when they say a first line lw? I am looking at other teams around the league, and it's not like the best teams have six forwards putting up 60+ points. Most have 3. Some have four. Dallas ended up with 5, but they are now immediately having cap issues.

I'm looking at the wings, and I can see us needing someone who can skate there and compliment Larkin/Raymond, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a guy who can pot 30+. I see a bigger issue with us not being a defensive sieve and carrying massive negatives up and down the lineup.

I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue guys like Robertson or Marner, but that having Larkin/Raymond/Debrincat at the top of the lineup actually compares pretty well production wise to a lot of teams across the league.

20ish 5v5 goals would be a good start. You can expand from there, but you need guys who can score at even strength. There are 17 guys listed as LW who put up 20 or more 5v5 goals. JT Compher was 72nd with 6.

So big gap between 20 and 6. Ehlers put up 18, which would be an improvement. but is he worth the cost?

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Can someone define what they want when they say a first line lw? I am looking at other teams around the league, and it's not like the best teams have six forwards putting up 60+ points. Most have 3. Some have four. Dallas ended up with 5, but they are now immediately having cap issues.

I'm looking at the wings, and I can see us needing someone who can skate there and compliment Larkin/Raymond, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a guy who can pot 30+. I see a bigger issue with us not being a defensive sieve and carrying massive negatives up and down the lineup.

I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue guys like Robertson or Marner, but that having Larkin/Raymond/Debrincat at the top of the lineup actually compares pretty well production wise to a lot of teams across the league.

Going into next year I think we have five obvious players who round out our Top 6, and they are all kind of explicitly in their roles

Blank - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane

we could move Kasper up to the LW spot, or Cat - both work find, but is leaves a hole in the other lines' LW or Center spot. Kane can't play RW, and Raymond is more effective at RW (think there was an experiment at times where's he's played LW).

Could we fill that hole with a Soderblom? or Mazur? or the 2nd line C with Copp? ...sure... It's not meant to say Debrincat isn't good enough, it's more to say we're one forward shy in our Top 6 - a guy like Robertson fills that pretty obviously. A guy like Marner? less so, but he's good enough you would need to shuffle a bit.

 

[FMichael]

Yes.

And I'd definitely like to cap off 10 years of sucking with the light at the end of the tunnel being choking every single year in the first two rounds. Sounds amazing.

Unfortunate reality is that Tronna isn’t the only team that doesn’t live up to expectations in the playoffs.

We still struggle with being good enough on a consistent basis just to make the postseason.

I’ll worry about losing in the 1st/2nd round etc once we’re expected to be that good.

 

[norrisnick]

Going into next year I think we have five obvious players who round out our Top 6, and they are all kind of explicitly in their roles

Blank - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane

we could move Kasper up to the LW spot, or Cat - both work find, but is leaves a hole in the other lines' LW or Center spot. Kane can't play RW, and Raymond is more effective at RW (think there was an experiment at times where's he's played LW).

Could we fill that hole with a Soderblom? or Mazur? or the 2nd line C with Copp? ...sure... It's not meant to say Debrincat isn't good enough, it's more to say we're one forward shy in our Top 6 - a guy like Robertson fills that pretty obviously. A guy like Marner? less so, but he's good enough you would need to shuffle a bit.

Four.

 

[Winger98]

20ish 5v5 goals would be a good start. You can expand from there, but you need guys who can score at even strength. There are 17 guys listed as LW who put up 20 or more 5v5 goals. JT Compher was 72nd with 6.

So big gap between 20 and 6. Ehlers put up 18, which would be an improvement. but is he worth the cost?

yeah, I was kind of eyeballing 20-ish goals. Someone mentioned in another thread moving Compher up to that spot and...ugh. Though Compher has scored 12/13 goals there for a few seasons before last, it still feels like an underwhelming idea.

I got the same reservations with Ehlers. If we didn't bring back Kane, I'd say Ehlers would be a good alternative. And in that sense it could work going forward since Kane clearly won't be here for the next five years.

But if Kane is here...I really wouldn't be averse to saving that cap space, trying other guys up there, and hoping to take a shot at one of the big names who might be available next summer. I also look at Ehlers and I wonder if Lombardi could provide similar qualities - maybe not immediately, but going forward. I think I am more okay with this being a development year breaking a bunch of rookies in at forward than other folks would be okay with, though.

 

[Winger98]

Going into next year I think we have five obvious players who round out our Top 6, and they are all kind of explicitly in their roles

Blank - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane

we could move Kasper up to the LW spot, or Cat - both work find, but is leaves a hole in the other lines' LW or Center spot. Kane can't play RW, and Raymond is more effective at RW (think there was an experiment at times where's he's played LW).

Could we fill that hole with a Soderblom? or Mazur? or the 2nd line C with Copp? ...sure... It's not meant to say Debrincat isn't good enough, it's more to say we're one forward shy in our Top 6 - a guy like Robertson fills that pretty obviously. A guy like Marner? less so, but he's good enough you would need to shuffle a bit.

I want Danielson in that blank spot. And if not Danielson, I'd give Mazur a look there. I think he could bring similar qualities that Kasper brought to that spot. Assuming we can't land Marner, Robertson, etc.

Four.

oh, then sub Berggren in for Kane and be happy

 

[Run the Jewels]

yeah, I was kind of eyeballing 20-ish goals. Someone mentioned in another thread moving Compher up to that spot and...ugh. Though Compher has scored 12/13 goals there for a few seasons before last, it still feels like an underwhelming idea.

I got the same reservations with Ehlers. If we didn't bring back Kane, I'd say Ehlers would be a good alternative. And in that sense it could work going forward since Kane clearly won't be here for the next five years.

But if Kane is here...I really wouldn't be averse to saving that cap space, trying other guys up there, and hoping to take a shot at one of the big names who might be available next summer. I also look at Ehlers and I wonder if Lombardi could provide similar qualities - maybe not immediately, but going forward. I think I am more okay with this being a development year breaking a bunch of rookies in at forward than other folks would be okay with, though.

Bring Kyle Connor back to Michigan. Let's speak it into existence.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Bring Kyle Connor back to Michigan. Let's speak it into existence.

Next summer probably. Unless a trade happens now. But doubt it.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Next summer probably. Unless a trade happens now. But doubt it.

They may very well lose Ehlers for nothing. Would be a giant kick in the 'nads to lose both for nothing. If he drags his feet on signing a deal they may be forced to move him. If I was Yzerman I'd be on top of that s**t and let 'Peg know he's ready to deal for KC if/when that time comes.

Guys who can score 30 5v5 goals are extremely rare, and this one just happens to have been born and raised in Michigan.

 

[stillwater]

Agreed. The Wings did not land the generational talent they needed at the top of the draft. They also didn’t get a gem or two in the 2nd or later rounds. At this time, I don’t expect them to be as good as some of the teams in the league.

Is it just me, or have you said this 100 times already?

We get it. You don't like the 2nd round picks because none of them are generational game-breakers, yet.

There's still Plante, Buchelnikov, Trey Augustine, Albert Johansson ... who's become an NHL defenceman, and William Wallinder and Shai Buium, who may help the big team from the Yzerman era.

Again, less than 25% of second round picks ever even make it to the NHL ...

The only NHL players with birth years in the 2000's with more than 100 career NHL points are JJ Peterka (150), Kirill Marchenko (141), Nils Hoglander (115) and Shane Pinto (107).

4 ... that's it.

There are only 59 players drafted in the second round, still active, with 100 or more career NHL points.

59 ... that's it ... there are 32 teams ... you do the math ... the likelyhood of finding a player/players in the second round that you can count on to lead your team, or are valuable enough to trade for a player who can lead your team is very, very small. It's a crapshoot ...

 

[deca guard]

seen yzerman in a dream last nite = a move is coming

 

[heyfolks]

OK< so you didn't like the McDavid deal. How about this one:


Jake Oettinger to the D for a #1, Cossa, Rasmussen, and Johansson. He's locked in at $8.5M for 7 years as 26.



Why? This coach buried him. He leaves or the coach leaves.






The Dallas Stars have several needs to address this offseason, primarily related to roster management and cap space constraints. They will need to make tough decisions about veterans like Jamie Benn and Matt Duchene, potentially requiring trades to make room. Key unrestricted free agents include Duchene, Benn, Evgenii Dadonov, Mikael Granlund, and Ceci. The Stars also need to figure out how to manage the salary increases for players like Wyatt Johnston and Jake Oettinger. They also need to address potential salary cap issues and the future of Jason Robertson.


Once done ripping that McDavid deal, you can start on this one. hahaha. Hey, it's June. Filling time to the June 27 draft and then the July 1 free agency opening. July is all compliments and complaints about the aforementioned events and then comes August. Hot, sunny dreary August. That month we will character assassin, get suspended and maybe even take a vacation.

 

[lilidk]

seen yzerman in a dream last nite = a move is coming

No more beautiful girls?

 

[USAHockey97]

Is it just me, or have you said this 100 times already?

We get it. You don't like the 2nd round picks because none of them are generational game-breakers, yet.

There's still Plante, Buchelnikov, Trey Augustine, Albert Johansson ... who's become an NHL defenceman, and William Wallinder and Shai Buium, who may help the big team from the Yzerman era.

Again, less than 25% of second round picks ever even make it to the NHL ...

The only NHL players with birth years in the 2000's with more than 100 career NHL points are JJ Peterka (150), Kirill Marchenko (141), Nils Hoglander (115) and Shane Pinto (107).

4 ... that's it.

There are only 59 players drafted in the second round, still active, with 100 or more career NHL points.

59 ... that's it ... there are 32 teams ... you do the math ... the likelyhood of finding a player/players in the second round that you can count on to lead your team, or are valuable enough to trade for a player who can lead your team is very, very small. It's a crapshoot ...

Yes, I have stated that a few times. You bring up a good point though that it is hard to find such players which is why I think we should look at trading for Peterka.

Yzerman is building through the draft and hasn’t exactly landed high end talent through trades and FA (outside of Debrincat who forced his way here and Kane). Thus Yzerman really needs to hit on his draft picks to make up for that. Maybe he lands better trades/FA later, but that remains to be seen.