Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[RabidBadger]

Marner for $12 to $14 mill per season, or the trio of Copp/Compher/Chiarot?

Marner just might actually provide more value with the goal of making the playoffs than the other 3.

I'm not sure what your comparison means. You're talking about 3 placeholders that have contracts coming off the books soon vs a UFA. I don't believe I previously stated "we need to keep signing plugs instead of Marner"! Yeah, I know Mitch has value getting his team to the playoffs; it's when the playoffs start that his value rapidly plummets.

A top 4 D and top 6 forward on efficient contracts would go further than adding that Leafs pariah. I'm all for spending Illitch's money, just be smart about it.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Matthews is a 100x bigger problem in toronto but Marner gets all the hate. I don’t give him 14 but 12-13 I’m happy with.

 

[deca guard]

Hurricanes Notes: Orlov​

May 30, 2025 at 4:29 pm CDT | by Brennan McClain 10 Comments

There were plenty of updates from the Carolina Hurricanes today, including from a few of their pending unrestricted free agents. In particular, according to Cory Lavalette of the North State Journal, the team hasn’t started contract negotiations with Dmitry Orlov, but the defenseman still considers the Hurricanes an option.

Carolina likely hasn’t had talks with Orlov because he won’t be their highest priority entering the offseason. The Hurricanes have a remarkably impressive left side of their defensive core, featuring Jaccob Slavin, Shayne Gostisbehere, and Alexander Nikishin.

Still, Orlov is coming off an impressive season in his own right. The 13-year veteran scored six goals and 22 points in 76 games for Carolina this season and was one of their top options on the penalty kill. He sustained his physicality and again reached the 20-minute on-ice average after dipping below the threshold last season. He’ll find plenty of interest in his services on the free-agent market, particularly from the Anaheim Ducks, Detroit Red Wings, New York Islanders, and San Jose Sharks, who each played below average with a man disadvantage.

 

[deca guard]

Other notes from the Hurricanes:

• On the other hand, there is one defenseman eager to stay in Raleigh. Earlier today, team reporter Walt Ruff shared a quote from veteran defenseman Brent Burns saying, “We’ll see what happens, but we love it here and would love for it to work out.” Whether or not it works out with the Hurricanes, it seems that Burns will return for a 22nd season. Still, he did show signs of slowing down this season, scoring six goals and 29 points in 82 games after tallying 43 points a year prior.

 

[FMichael]

I'm not sure what your comparison means. You're talking about 3 placeholders that have contracts coming off the books soon vs a UFA. I don't believe I previously stated "we need to keep signing plugs instead of Marner"! Yeah, I know Mitch has value getting his team to the playoffs; it's when the playoffs start that his value rapidly plummets.

A top 4 D and top 6 forward on efficient contracts would go further than adding that Leafs pariah. I'm all for spending Illitch's money, just be smart about it.

My point being either Yzerman spends $$$ on quality or quantity?

This team has too many bottom 6 forwards and 3rd pairing D.

Marner would be a nice addition.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't think one mega contract will hurt us. Over the last handful of years teams have iced competitive rosters with multiple guys at 9, 10, 11+ on there roster. Given that we have zero players above 9M I think one guy in the 14 range won't kill us. Marner's last contract was at 13.37% of the cap at time of signing. The Leafs had two other guys at higher numbers + a couple of 6 and 7 Million dollar contracts.

We could offer Marner 14.5 Million and still have more flexibility for roster building than the Maple Leafs did the last 6 years.

Of course, it is unlikely that Marner lands in Detroit but we 100% need to be sending him a top offer - I'd probably be comfortable making him the highest paid player in the league. After that all you can do is ensure you have a quality plan B, C, D, Etc.

I won't think twice about an aggressive offer to Marner.

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

My point being either Yzerman spends $$$ on quality or quantity?

This team has too many bottom 6 forwards and 3rd pairing D.

Marner would be a nice addition.

The wings arguably have no good to great bottom 6 forwards. Copp and Ras are maybe league average for what they bring in their roles. The rest are bad.

 

[FMichael]

The wings arguably have no good to great bottom 6 forwards. Copp and Ras are maybe league average for what they bring in their roles. The rest are bad.

And this team has had a revolving door of players who fit that mold…Tiresome.

 

[DoMakc]

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

Good that Raymond, Seider and Larkin are already signed long-term

 

[USAHockey97]

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

I agree with this. However, I will note the Wings also will not get anyone else better than Larkin, Raymond, and Seider to sign here. Unless Detroit becomes a hot destination, no star player will sign for that little.

That leaves Detroit either trading or drafting for anyone better.

 

[newfy]

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

Yzerman can tell them when you score 100 points and get selke nominations you can get that in UFA. The interior RFA contracts have been established and the most important guys have been signed long term already.

You think these guys who have disappeared in March the last couple years while in the driver's seat are gonna have any leg to stand on? Yzerman wont get taken advantage of the way rookie Dubas did either

 

[datsyukfan]

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

Ya well Detroit doesn’t have a Matthew’s, Marner, Nylander type player and the guy closest to that is Raymond and he is locked up to another 7 years so giving Marner a big contract will literally have no affect on the immediate cap structure

 

[datsyukfan]

Yzerman can tell them when you score 100 points and get selke nominations you can get that in UFA. The interior RFA contracts have been established and the most important guys have been signed long term already.

You think these guys who have disappeared in March the last couple years while in the driver's seat are gonna have any leg to stand on? Yzerman wont get taken advantage of the way rookie Dubas did either

These players also can’t have it both ways. We want to get to the playoffs but nobody can make more than me. I think Larkin would be over the moon to have Marner here and wouldn’t give 2 shits about what he’s making

 

[SirloinUB]

These players also can’t have it both ways. We want to get to the playoffs but nobody can make more than me. I think Larkin would be over the moon to have Marner here and wouldn’t give 2 shits about what he’s making

I think that goes for Raymond and seider as well

 

[heyfolks]

LONG RANGE PIE IN THE SKY PLAN.

Oil Cans win the Cup. For McDavid, mission accomplished.

He leaves Edmonton for Detroit. Knowing he won't sign he is traded for Larkin, #1, in 26, a #2 in 27 and ASP.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

LONG RANGE PIE IN THE SKY PLAN.

Oil Cans win the Cup. For McDavid, mission accomplished.

He leaves Edmonton for Detroit. Knowing he won't sign he is traded for Larkin, #1, in 26, a #2 in 27 and ASP.

Plug your PS5 controller back in its about to die.

 

[dalem177]

LONG RANGE PIE IN THE SKY PLAN.

Oil Cans win the Cup. For McDavid, mission accomplished.

He leaves Edmonton for Detroit. Knowing he won't sign he is traded for Larkin, #1, in 26, a #2 in 27 and ASP.

 

[RedHawkDown]

LONG RANGE PIE IN THE SKY PLAN.

Oil Cans win the Cup. For McDavid, mission accomplished.

He leaves Edmonton for Detroit. Knowing he won't sign he is traded for Larkin, #1, in 26, a #2 in 27 and ASP.

This would prob go down as the worst trade of all time lol

It would take danielson, ASP, Raymond, and maybe Edvinsson too

 

[dalem177]

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I've got another one, but... too much?

 

[Ulysses31]

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

Definitely are trade-offs giving marner his 15 mil aav. SY will lose a half decent chunk of leverage in free agent negotiations both rfa and ufa.

Bit of a digression but tavares left millions on the table signing with leafs. Sharks rumored to be offering 13+ x 7.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Two words;

Cap structure.

Toronto f***ed themselves by signing Tavares because it gave their 3 young stars someone to point to and say, ‘that’s what I want.’

I think Toronto f***ed themselves harder when they caved and paid Nylander more than his comparables at the last second. When you're a Top 3 offensive team and you still get bent over and give a guy well north of what Larkin/Ehlers and even MacKinnon and Barkov had gotten, you send the message that you can easily be bent over in negotiations.

Which is bad considering Matthews and Marner were RFAs the very next summer.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think Toronto f***ed themselves harder when they caved and paid Nylander more than his comparables at the last second. When you're a Top 3 offensive team and you still get bent over and give a guy well north of what Larkin/Ehlers and even MacKinnon and Barkov had gotten, you send the message that you can easily be bent over in negotiations.

Which is bad considering Matthews and Marner were RFAs the very next summer.

And I’d like to avoid that being a possibility. No to Marner. We’re also rumored to be off his 10-team wishlist as well. Let him get 13 mil from Holland in LA and get chewed up by Edmonton every 1st round for the next 8 years.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

And I’d like to avoid that being a possibility. No to Marner. We’re also rumored to be off his 10-team wishlist as well. Let him get 13 mil from Holland in LA and get chewed up by Edmonton every 1st round for the next 8 years.

I'm not advocating for signing him. I'm just saying I think the initial Nylander contract was the most damaging, with the way Dubas handled it.

 

[Frk It]

I'm surprised anyone is pushing back on the idea of signing Marner, even if it were to come at an expensive price. Seems like a no-brainer add if he wanted to come here for whatever reason.

Also... we would be lucky enough to find ourself in a situation like the one Toronto currently is.

As funny as their misery has been, they have elite talent and a lot of those guys are pretty young still. You can just keep trying to build different supporting groups around them and make coaching changes, and sometimes you will get the breakthrough after awhile (see: Edmonton).