Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[stillwater]

NJ would be really interesting. Wonder if we could pull Hischier, or if NJ would be moving someone to wing.

Hischier is their Captain. He's arguably a better player than Larkin ... is cheaper, and younger. So, I very much doubt it.

Might have to throw is Ras

 

[Lampedampe]

Honestly, I don’t have a good answer. The Hague I’m familiar with is from 1 and 2 seasons ago. I didn’t watch much of Vegas this year. Maybe he’s developed bad habits from the night life? Maybe he’s in the coach’s dog house? Maybe he’s got degenerative Holl disease?

Purely stat watching, it does seem like he started to drop off last year.

I do like the idea of him replacing Holl though, it's a major upgrade on the 3rd pair. Not sure how well he plays his off-side though.

 

[stillwater]

The idea of trading Larkin isn't insane.

It's all about what they can get in return.

The idea of selling low on Larkin is insane.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Does the Larkin speculation open up a Petterson trade? Attitude, concerns, etc. A hockey trade where both team swap their 1C - Larkin's older but cheaper - Petterson is younger and more expensive, etc. etc.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Compare Hague to Carlo. How different are they? Big, hit, block shots, clear the crease. There’s value in that.

It’s a toss up if Hague would push Chiarot down the lineup right now, but I still believe Hague would be a valuable player in a #4/5 role.

What other defensemen do you propose Detroit chase this offseason?

Hague’s been on my radar for a while. Pursue Romanov as well and I’m a happy camper

Romanov seider
Edvinsson asp
Hague johansson

I’d be happy with that d core for the foreseeable future. Anton Johansson would be the only Dman I’d keep in the system of relevance. Wallinder-buium-cleveland can all be included in deals

No idea what the cost to get them would be but from the post earlier if vegas is interested in chiarot for one year since they value every $ available to make moves I’d have np retaining chiarot at 50% and throwing in a 2026 2nd

Probably impossible to get Romanov without a 1st but I’d try and throw it to 2026 and make it top 10 protected for 2 drafts since they’re good ones. Don’t think anyone’s dealing future 1sts unprotected. Wallinder? Plante?

Fans wouldn’t do it but I’d consider keeping those assets for a bigger move, and send debrincat instead especially if leafs don’t resign marner and he wants to stay close to Toronto. We don’t need 3-4 6 feet and under guys on the top 6

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

The idea of trading Larkin isn't insane.

It's all about what they can get in return.

The idea of selling low on Larkin is insane.

Problem is he has full control. Don’t think Yzerman would move him just to get rid of him though

I’ve said byfield before for larkin and he’s someone I would do it if l.a we’re trying to win now. We’d have a young C’s down the middle but I wouldn’t hate

Byfield
kasper
Danielson

And as much as I want the playoffs and to win a cup if we happened to suck for one more year and magically add McKenna to the wing with Raymond it wouldn’t be the worst thing

I don’t know other young c’s I’d move for larkin for atm , zero interest in Rossi

 

[TKB]

Does the Larkin speculation open up a Petterson trade? Attitude, concerns, etc. A hockey trade where both team swap their 1C - Larkin's older but cheaper - Petterson is younger and more expensive, etc. etc.

I think the consensus is Larkin would not waive his NMC for Vancouver, at least in thier current state.

 

[SantosHalper]

Hischier is their Captain. He's arguably a better player than Larkin ... is cheaper, and younger. So, I very much doubt it.

Might have to throw is Ras

Keefe wants Holl back to lead the defense like back in Toronto.

 

[stillwater]

I think the consensus is Larkin would not waive his NMC for Vancouver, at least in thier current state.

What consensus?

Is this actually being discussed in the media, or just a Hockeyboards thing?

 

[TKB]

What consensus?

Is this actually being discussed in the media, or just a Hockeyboards thing?

Among HF posters/twitter discussion. I am not aware of media going anywhere near this at this point, and rightfully so. Just message board chatter for now.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I can see Holland wanting Larkin in LA. Byfield for Larkin straight up, if it's at all on the table (and I recognize it likely isn't), then we should definitely do it.

That, add Rossi for Rasmussen+13th OV, and trade for Hague / sign Gavrikov, and we could go into next season with:

Kane-Byfield-Raymond
Rossi-Kasper-DeBrincat
Soderblom-Danielson-Tarasenko
Copp-Compher-Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
Hague-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

It's not terrible and has potential if Byfield + Rossi break out, which they have the ability to do. If not, then we can suck for McKenna.

Have to pick a direction. Either add massively to Larkin and start to push this team into contention, or sell him off and try to retool the rebuild. This middle of the road grinding is doomed to lead to failure.

 

[Winger98]

Hischier is their Captain. He's arguably a better player than Larkin ... is cheaper, and younger. So, I very much doubt it.

Might have to throw is Ras

I don't know if we can sacrifice Ras for that.

For some reason I was thinking Hughes was their captain, and trying to think what NJ would throw around to make a deal happen. I know their fans have been talking Hamilton being moved, which would look nice behind Mo. Their fans talking of moving Mercer a lot in possible deals. A guy I'd really like to get from them as part of a deal is Cotter.

 

[stillwater]

I don't know if we can sacrifice Ras for that.

For some reason I was thinking Hughes was their captain, and trying to think what NJ would throw around to make a deal happen. I know their fans have been talking Hamilton being moved, which would look nice behind Mo. Their fans talking of moving Mercer a lot in possible deals. A guy I'd really like to get from them as part of a deal is Cotter.

I'm sure there's a deal to be made there, if both sides are interested.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I can see Holland wanting Larkin in LA. Byfield for Larkin straight up, if it's at all on the table (and I recognize it likely isn't), then we should definitely do it.

That, add Rossi for Rasmussen+13th OV, and trade for Hague / sign Gavrikov, and we could go into next season with:

Kane-Byfield-Raymond
Rossi-Kasper-DeBrincat
Soderblom-Danielson-Tarasenko
Copp-Compher-Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
Hague-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

It's not terrible and has potential if Byfield + Rossi break out, which they have the ability to do. If not, then we can suck for McKenna.

Have to pick a direction. Either add massively to Larkin and start to push this team into contention, or sell him off and try to retool the rebuild. This middle of the road grinding is doomed to lead to failure.

Too many smurfs on the top 6

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I don't know if we can sacrifice Ras for that.

For some reason I was thinking Hughes was their captain, and trying to think what NJ would throw around to make a deal happen. I know their fans have been talking Hamilton being moved, which would look nice behind Mo. Their fans talking of moving Mercer a lot in possible deals. A guy I'd really like to get from them as part of a deal is Cotter.

I don’t think Hughes would feel comfortable having Rasmussen in the locker room eyeing him out daily

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

NJ would be really interesting. Wonder if we could pull Hischier, or if NJ would be moving someone to wing.

I think the plan is to move Hughes to wing for health and play him with Larkin and Bratt. I think he likes this because it also secures his Olympic spot. They have the Quinn Hughes trade to pull off but can theoretically do two big trades. I don’t think Hischier would be involved. But the Devils have some intriguing guys. The problem is what do they have after getting Quinn Hughes. I think they try to move Hamilton, big ticket item. Changes are coming in New Jersey though, authorized from ownership level to shake some of the foundation.

 

[minimal]

I really struggle to see any targets around the league that would make sense in a Larkin trade, especially with the NMC.

 

[Frk It]

Does the Larkin speculation open up a Petterson trade? Attitude, concerns, etc. A hockey trade where both team swap their 1C - Larkin's older but cheaper - Petterson is younger and more expensive, etc. etc.

If we are trading Larkin because of attitutude concerns... you think Yzerman is going to like Petterson as a better alternative?

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Kyrou for #13 sounds ok to me.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

If we are trading Larkin because of attitutude concerns... you think Yzerman is going to like Petterson as a better alternative?

I don’t think Larkin waives for Vancouver, especially with the uncertainty around his close friend Quinn Hughes. He knows everything about that dressing room and organization.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If the Wings move Larkin because he, all of a sudden has a bad attitude, just a few years after you liked his attitude enough to make him Captain, then I want the entire front office fired. Constant issues with player attitudes at some point have to fall on the front office.

Can't keep having issues with players after giving them contracts. Mantha, Vrana, Walman and now Larkin?!?!?! Sorry, the Wings need work it out with Dylan and get things right on both sides here. Shipping him off sends a message of non stop locker room dysfunction.

Not to go too deep into it, but I think I have a bigger problem with the country club attitude of this front office. Yzerman’s pro scouting comments, the lack of progress from those within that department. Most of the staff are former Red Wings and I’m not sure they’re the best Red Wings he could have hired. (Maltby, Draper, Cleary, Fischer). The only two that seem to earn their keep are Lidstrom and Kronwall. Then we have Yzerman’s aggressive presser seeming very arrogant to me. He may not feel he’s on the hot seat because his contributions to the team 20-40 years ago, but he should.

Larkin has stuck around for 6 years being told we’d get better and that the team was going to be built around him only for Yzerman to get gun shy after 2023. Would DeBrincat even be a Red Wing if he didn’t force his way out? What would Yzerman have done if that move wasn’t there?

Maybe it’s not a lack of leadership from the players. Maybe the Wings ownership isn’t that great in the new NHL? And maybe our front office is f***ed up?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I can see Holland wanting Larkin in LA. Byfield for Larkin straight up, if it's at all on the table (and I recognize it likely isn't), then we should definitely do it.

That, add Rossi for Rasmussen+13th OV, and trade for Hague / sign Gavrikov, and we could go into next season with:

Kane-Byfield-Raymond
Rossi-Kasper-DeBrincat
Soderblom-Danielson-Tarasenko
Copp-Compher-Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
Hague-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

It's not terrible and has potential if Byfield + Rossi break out, which they have the ability to do. If not, then we can suck for McKenna.

Have to pick a direction. Either add massively to Larkin and start to push this team into contention, or sell him off and try to retool the rebuild. This middle of the road grinding is doomed to lead to failure.

Byfield + Helenius or the rights to Jeannot for Larkin + Rasmussen? I’m not in love with, but it’s not terrible, IMO.
13th + Tank for Rossi

DeBrincat - Kasper - Raymond
Byfield - Rossi - Kane
Soderblom - Danielson - Compher
Jeannot - Compher - Mazur

That team makes the playoffs even with average goaltending if they can improve 2 defenseman on the roster.

Also if the GR and Skelleftea playoffs are any indication, I think MBN might be a full time NHLer by 2026.

EDIT: I also wouldn’t be mad at Mason McTavish + Sam Colangelo for Larkin.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

is it only cause of the Holland to l.a stuff why people are suddenly talking about larkin being moved?

La is the only team really I can see as being an option if we dealt larkin if the kings are fed up of being outed in the first round 4-5 yrs in a row and want to make a big move
And are willing to move byfield. Yzerman won’t deal him for picks etc..

Elias Peterrsson? Larkin doesn’t wave for Vancouver

Anaheim for a mctavish? Again , larkin likely doesn’t waive there unless he’s content in a similar situation elsewhere if only for the weather. But don’t see it

Carolina won’t trade aho. Dallas won’t trade Wyatt Johnston. Larkin for beniers +? Makes no sense for Seattle. 5’8 Rossi ? Pass

Maybe I’m missing something but byfield is the only option that literally makes sense if we’re looking for a Center back in a deal as we should

Utah might be an option for the #4 pick + if we come out with Caleb desnoyers. Again, does he waive for Utah?

Don’t think he’s going anywhere

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Byfield + Helenius or the rights to Jeannot for Larkin + Rasmussen? I’m not in love with, but it’s not terrible, IMO.
13th + Tank for Rossi

DeBrincat - Kasper - Raymond
Byfield - Rossi - Kane
Soderblom - Danielson - Compher
Jeannot - Compher - Mazur

That team makes the playoffs even with average goaltending if they can improve 2 defenseman on the roster.

Also if the GR and Skelleftea playoffs are any indication, I think MBN might be a full time NHLer by 2026.

EDIT: I also wouldn’t be mad at Mason McTavish + Sam Colangelo for Larkin.

We get a 6’5 byfield for Center and toss him aside for a 5’8 Center? that’s a no for me

I don’t think larkin waives for Anaheim if he wants to waive for a playoff team. I said I would offer sheet colangelo though. Think could be something there + brings size

L.a is the only team that makes any sense to me unless he’s willing to waive for Utah and we take Caleb desnoyers at #4. Don’t see it happening though

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

We get a 6’5 byfield for Center and toss him aside for a 5’8 Center? that’s a no for me

I don’t think larkin waives for Anaheim if he wants to waive for a playoff team. I said I would offer sheet colangelo though. Think could be something there + brings size

L.a is the only team that makes any sense to me unless he’s willing to waive for Utah and we take Caleb desnoyers at #4. Don’t see it happening though

Utah is closer to the postseason so maybe Larkin would waive for them? Though the #4 is the only thing I’d want from them and this draft isn’t really too impressive to me. The #4 this year is probably only as good as the 8-12 in 2023 or 2024.

And I still argue that Byfield isn’t terrific as a center. Call me crazy but I like Rossi’s overall game and heads up play more than Byfield’s at center.