Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

I am looking forward to the press conference, but Yzerman always holds his cards close to the chest, so it is not like we will get many answers. He will probably address the disappointment of this season, but everybody knows it was a season that ended in disappontment, so not much to learn there.
Yeah, I honestly don't even care what he says. I'm only interested in the outcome.

Shoot, he could show up in a grass skirt shouting about how the Man in the Moon made him move to Area 51, but if the roster somehow turns into a regular Stanley Cup contender, I'm here for it.
 
Many questions were answered:

- Edvinsson is a legit top pairing D
- Kasper's floor is a 2nd line center (huge improvement from what many thought his floor was prior to season)
- AJ has potential to be an impactful middle pairing dman
- Soderblom is an impactful NHL player (people were questioning 'bust')

^ Those are the most important for the future.

Also notable:

- DBC is a 40 (39) goal guy on a bad team.
- Kane's surgery was undoubtedly successful
- Larkin sucks as a leader (lol)

Wings make the playoffs if:

- Lalodone was fired sooner

Wings easily hit 92 points with more games under TM.

If you want to paint a picture of what Yzerman is doing, and his expectations. Go to PuckPedia and look when a majority of these 'placeholder' contracts end: 2026/27

Wings "could" make the playoffs next season based on the 91 point threshhold. But I doubt it is Yzerman's 'end of the day' goal. The cap is structured to start hitting hard by 26/27. That's when the pressure is on.

Do you agree/disagree?
 
I am looking forward to the press conference, but Yzerman always holds his cards close to the chest, so it is not like we will get many answers. He will probably address the disappointment of this season, but everybody knows it was a season that ended in disappontment, so not much to learn there.
I disagree, he is actually pretty honest in his answers. He certainly won‘t say what he is planning do, but he is meaning what he is saying, there is no bs
 
Many questions were answered:

- Edvinsson is a legit top pairing D
- Kasper's floor is a 2nd line center (huge improvement from what many thought his floor was prior to season)
- AJ has potential to be an impactful middle pairing dman
- Soderblom is an impactful NHL player (people were questioning 'bust')

^ Those are the most important for the future.

Also notable:

- DBC is a 40 (39) goal guy on a bad team.
- Kane's surgery was undoubtedly successful
- Larkin sucks as a leader (lol)

Wings make the playoffs if:

- Lalodone was fired sooner

Wings easily hit 92 points with more games under TM.

If you want to paint a picture of what Yzerman is doing, and his expectations. Go to PuckPedia and look when a majority of these 'placeholder' contracts end: 2026/27

Wings "could" make the playoffs next season based on the 91 point threshhold. But I doubt it is Yzerman's 'end of the day' goal. The cap is structured to start hitting hard by 26/27. That's when the pressure is on.

Do you agree/disagree?

Mostly agree.

Disagree on Larkin, I think he is fine. Not exceptional, not bad, he's fine.

Also its possible over the long term Kasper is better at wing but what we saw at center was definitively promising.
 
Yeah, I honestly don't even care what he says. I'm only interested in the outcome.

Shoot, he could show up in a grass skirt shouting about how the Man in the Moon made him move to Area 51, but if the roster somehow turns into a regular Stanley Cup contender, I'm here for it.
Yeah - it'll more of the rehashed 'trust the process' - 'building a young core that will compete for years' - 'blah blah blah'.
 
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Mostly agree.

Disagree on Larkin, I think he is fine. Not exceptional, not bad, he's fine.

Also its possible over the long term Kasper is better at wing but what we saw at center was definitively promising.
Larkin is burnt out...I've said it before - previous captains of this team haven't had to deal with the same crappy roster over their careers as DBoss has...I honestly have no hard feelings if he requested a trade...At this rate Larkin will be 30 plus before he plays another game in the playoffs and likely will never hoist the Cup in Detroit.
 
Many questions were answered:

- Edvinsson is a legit top pairing D
- Kasper's floor is a 2nd line center (huge improvement from what many thought his floor was prior to season)
- AJ has potential to be an impactful middle pairing dman
- Soderblom is an impactful NHL player (people were questioning 'bust')

^ Those are the most important for the future.

Also notable:

- DBC is a 40 (39) goal guy on a bad team.
- Kane's surgery was undoubtedly successful
- Larkin sucks as a leader (lol)

Wings make the playoffs if:

- Lalodone was fired sooner

Wings easily hit 92 points with more games under TM.

If you want to paint a picture of what Yzerman is doing, and his expectations. Go to PuckPedia and look when a majority of these 'placeholder' contracts end: 2026/27

Wings "could" make the playoffs next season based on the 91 point threshhold. But I doubt it is Yzerman's 'end of the day' goal. The cap is structured to start hitting hard by 26/27. That's when the pressure is on.

Do you agree/disagree?
Dotter is talking more sense than many on this board, what alternate universe have I entered? :eek3:
 
Many questions were answered:

- Edvinsson is a legit top pairing D
- Kasper's floor is a 2nd line center (huge improvement from what many thought his floor was prior to season)
- AJ has potential to be an impactful middle pairing dman
- Soderblom is an impactful NHL player (people were questioning 'bust')

^ Those are the most important for the future.

Also notable:

- DBC is a 40 (39) goal guy on a bad team.
- Kane's surgery was undoubtedly successful
- Larkin sucks as a leader (lol)

Wings make the playoffs if:

- Lalodone was fired sooner

Wings easily hit 92 points with more games under TM.

If you want to paint a picture of what Yzerman is doing, and his expectations. Go to PuckPedia and look when a majority of these 'placeholder' contracts end: 2026/27

Wings "could" make the playoffs next season based on the 91 point threshhold. But I doubt it is Yzerman's 'end of the day' goal. The cap is structured to start hitting hard by 26/27. That's when the pressure is on.

Do you agree/disagree?
Agree.
 
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Many questions were answered:

- Edvinsson is a legit top pairing D
- Kasper's floor is a 2nd line center (huge improvement from what many thought his floor was prior to season)
- AJ has potential to be an impactful middle pairing dman
- Soderblom is an impactful NHL player (people were questioning 'bust')

^ Those are the most important for the future.

Also notable:

- DBC is a 40 (39) goal guy on a bad team.
- Kane's surgery was undoubtedly successful
- Larkin sucks as a leader (lol)

Wings make the playoffs if:

- Lalodone was fired sooner

Wings easily hit 92 points with more games under TM.

If you want to paint a picture of what Yzerman is doing, and his expectations. Go to PuckPedia and look when a majority of these 'placeholder' contracts end: 2026/27

Wings "could" make the playoffs next season based on the 91 point threshhold. But I doubt it is Yzerman's 'end of the day' goal. The cap is structured to start hitting hard by 26/27. That's when the pressure is on.

Do you agree/disagree?
Agree on all points, especially firing Newsy sooner.
 
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Many questions were answered:

- Edvinsson is a legit top pairing D
- Kasper's floor is a 2nd line center (huge improvement from what many thought his floor was prior to season)
- AJ has potential to be an impactful middle pairing dman
- Soderblom is an impactful NHL player (people were questioning 'bust')

^ Those are the most important for the future.

Also notable:

- DBC is a 40 (39) goal guy on a bad team.
- Kane's surgery was undoubtedly successful
- Larkin sucks as a leader (lol)

Wings make the playoffs if:

- Lalodone was fired sooner

Wings easily hit 92 points with more games under TM.

If you want to paint a picture of what Yzerman is doing, and his expectations. Go to PuckPedia and look when a majority of these 'placeholder' contracts end: 2026/27

Wings "could" make the playoffs next season based on the 91 point threshhold. But I doubt it is Yzerman's 'end of the day' goal. The cap is structured to start hitting hard by 26/27. That's when the pressure is on.

Do you agree/disagree?

I think the caveat should be the Wings make the playoffs if Lalonde was fired after last season and Todd had a full camp to implement a new system and the Wings bring in one top 4 dman.

The Wings missed the playoffs because their PK was historically bad. We have even a league average PK and we probably finish in the 95 point range.

Todd and Trent made a bit of a pk improvement after taking over but we still were pretty lousy because its really hard to completely change systems mid season. They only had like 7 practice sessions after he took over due to the condensed schedule with the 4 nations tourney.

If you bring in a top 4 dman you slot Chiarot down and bench Holl that with a better PK does get you into the playoffs.

I still think we would have been destroyed in the playoffs because this was a very flawed team that largely relied on the PP to win but I do think we would have gotten there.

I firmly believe our 5 on 5 offense will improve if we have a competent top 4 and systems. We aren't ever going to be an insanely creative offensive team because we don't have the McDavids or Kucherovs, but I do think we have guys that can do a fast break offense if we have guys that can handle the puck no like a hot potato on the back end and/or join the rush.
 
Larkin is burnt out...I've said it before - previous captains of this team haven't had to deal with the same crappy roster over their careers as DBoss has...I honestly have no hard feelings if he requested a trade...At this rate Larkin will be 30 plus before he plays another game in the playoffs and likely will never hoist the Cup in Detroit.
I agree. Larkin has had a really rough run both personally and professionally in the past couple of seasons. He knows he is getting towards the tail end of the peak of his career and he hasn't played a playoff game since his rookie year. You can say voicing his frustrations publically makes him a bad captain but I think its an entirely relatable and human reaction to his situation.

Wings probably have another 4-5 seasons before they are competing for a cup, and Larkin is saying will I even still be playing at that point. I don't know if his hockey IQ is high enough to compensate for the eventual skating fall off. So if he wants to be a major part of a cup winner, his best choice may be a trade so I wouldn't blame him.

With that said, I see zero reason for the Wings to trade Larkin unless they are getting an equally good or maybe slightly younger/ equal potential center in return. He is the local guy that puts butts in seats. We do not currently have anyone in the system that could replace his output. We hope Kasper and Danielson can develop into him, but that won't happen next season. With his NTC he is likely only going to accept a deal to a contender, which means we are getting mid to late round 1sts. Again you are unlikely to draft a #1 center here. We waited too long to ensure dumping Larkin = a bottom 5 finish for the Wings.

For the Wings to be successful in dealing Larkin we basically need someone else in a similar position to the Wings having a melt down and being willing to sell an already drafted and developing center to the Wings to potentially bump up their playoff chance. I don't see a ton of options and only the top 2 would I consider realistic. I don't know if Larkin would agree to any of the last 3.

Columbus- Fantilli, small market team needs playoff revenue, and Larkin is good friends with Werenski. Near miss this year.

Kings- Byfield, rapidly losing their window with Kopitar winding down. Had a great regular season but may not make it past the Oilers. Might not want to wait on Byfield to develop and capitalize on what Kopitar has left.

Utah- Logan Cooley, transferred club looking to drum up interest with a playoff run, just on the outside this year. Maybe moves up their window to better coincide with Kellers prime.

Vancouver- Peterson/Larkin swap. Vancouver gets the cap space Wings get a guy that is a bit younger and aligns with our other core players more. Going to be a hard sell for Vancouver after a 45 point season though from Peterson.

St. Louis- Kyro & Thomas, trying to avoid a rebuild, looking for a more veteran presence. I don't think I'd take a Kyrou swap and I doubt they'd deal us Thomas.
 
I agree. Larkin has had a really rough run both personally and professionally in the past couple of seasons. He knows he is getting towards the tail end of the peak of his career and he hasn't played a playoff game since his rookie year. You can say voicing his frustrations publically makes him a bad captain but I think its an entirely relatable and human reaction to his situation.

Wings probably have another 4-5 seasons before they are competing for a cup, and Larkin is saying will I even still be playing at that point. I don't know if his hockey IQ is high enough to compensate for the eventual skating fall off. So if he wants to be a major part of a cup winner, his best choice may be a trade so I wouldn't blame him.

With that said, I see zero reason for the Wings to trade Larkin unless they are getting an equally good or maybe slightly younger/ equal potential center in return. He is the local guy that puts butts in seats. We do not currently have anyone in the system that could replace his output. We hope Kasper and Danielson can develop into him, but that won't happen next season. With his NTC he is likely only going to accept a deal to a contender, which means we are getting mid to late round 1sts. Again you are unlikely to draft a #1 center here. We waited too long to ensure dumping Larkin = a bottom 5 finish for the Wings.

For the Wings to be successful in dealing Larkin we basically need someone else in a similar position to the Wings having a melt down and being willing to sell an already drafted and developing center to the Wings to potentially bump up their playoff chance. I don't see a ton of options and only the top 2 would I consider realistic. I don't know if Larkin would agree to any of the last 3.

Columbus- Fantilli, small market team needs playoff revenue, and Larkin is good friends with Werenski. Near miss this year.

Kings- Byfield, rapidly losing their window with Kopitar winding down. Had a great regular season but may not make it past the Oilers. Might not want to wait on Byfield to develop and capitalize on what Kopitar has left.

Utah- Logan Cooley, transferred club looking to drum up interest with a playoff run, just on the outside this year. Maybe moves up their window to better coincide with Kellers prime.

Vancouver- Peterson/Larkin swap. Vancouver gets the cap space Wings get a guy that is a bit younger and aligns with our other core players more. Going to be a hard sell for Vancouver after a 45 point season though from Peterson.

St. Louis- Kyro & Thomas, trying to avoid a rebuild, looking for a more veteran presence. I don't think I'd take a Kyrou swap and I doubt they'd deal us Thomas.
Spot on post!

Unfortunate reality Pettersson from Vancouver is the most likely player I could see being offloaded for what I would consider is an upgrade in Larkin.
 
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I had an idea about a month ago that Varlamov would be a really nice aggressive "win now" move.

Then I looked into him a bit and was shocked when I saw that he was 37 years old and had REALLY fallen off this year, and moved on from the idea.

Now that I just now finally had the realization that Sorokin and Varlamov are in fact different people, I'm back to thinking this is a good idea that should show big time improvement in the standings immediately and should last a few years.

We could offer up Cossa/Augustine as a goalie replacement. Not sure how much else we would have to add, but I'm not overly attached to our 1st this year and looking at their recent drafts I don't recognize many names and they could be a team where throwing in a few future or past 2nd rounders could have some value creating some organizational depth.



....or is Varlamov too old?
 
The vast majority of fans that pay to attend games pay no attention to this kind of shit. They don't scour the web for news stories of prospective prospects, they don't review the drafting success by region, they don't post on online message boards. They go to games, get ripped off via parking and concessions, and have a good time (or less good if the team loses).
Ok that last line was well played.
 
I don't think a goalie turns us into a SC contender but I think adding a legit number 1 gets us in the playoffs at least one of, if not both of, the last 2 seasons.
 

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