Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[SirloinUB]

If Yzerman is pissed about it, then I hope he retires/quits as Wings GM tomorrow. If that minor of a comment upsets him the way you are making it out to be, then he is indeed not the right man to run a team. I cannot fathom how so many of you are upset at all about it. You guys do realize that Yzerman dealt with people like Scotty Bowman and Mike Babcock and Jimmy Devellano right? Steve has heard far worse things both as player and manager than a minor comment about being disappointed in no moves. Such a nothing comment. I am indeed shocked that there is even this level of opinion on it.

He also dealt with much bigger player issues with Drouin and St. Louis than this Larkin comment.

If I were Yzerman Id be happy that my Captain is asking to improve the roster and showing such disappointment towards a playoff miss.

The narrative around these comments is insane.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I'm only open to trading him if its for someone who has some time in the NHL so that you can better gauge how they'll translate. Nikishin is really good prospect, but lots of highly touted D have come from Europe and not panned out in the NHL.

I also think its gotta be for a center, not a dman if I'm trading him. A guy like Byfield or Kent Johnson, sure you have my attention.. a European dman with no NHL experience? Doesn't get my blood flowing

Johnson isn't a C though.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

The Tavares and Duchene nonsense can stop. Both love the places they play in right now and will be staying with their current teams. Both will even take less money to do it. They aren't coming here and overpaying them to come is a bad idea.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I'm only open to trading him if its for someone who has some time in the NHL so that you can better gauge how they'll translate. Nikishin is really good prospect, but lots of highly touted D have come from Europe and not panned out in the NHL.

I also think its gotta be for a center, not a dman if I'm trading him. A guy like Byfield or Kent Johnson, sure you have my attention.. a European dman with no NHL experience? Doesn't get my blood flowing

Agree on it being a center with actual NHL playing experience. I have no idea why the Kings would want to trade Byfield, but I'd happily take him in a trade. Pretty sure Johnson is a winger, so that doesn't appeal to me as much.

 

[Winger98]

I wouldn't be all over Duchene by any means but this just isn't true. He had some great years in Colorado, despite the fact that they were atrocious and he was really young at the time.

He played 2 years in Ottawa. One of them he was on pace for 95 points with 58 in 50 games and a 30 something goal pace both years.

Columbus, sure I guess he wasn't great production wise. He only played 23 reg season games though, and he was money in the playoffs. 10 points in 10 games on a team playing with house money.

Nashville he had a season of 43 goals and 86 points, absolutely better season than anyone on the current wings have been close to.

He's not a star to the point that he has those seasons every single season, and I'll say he's inconsistent. You'll get a season where he's a superstar, followed up by borderline first line numbers. But Duchene hasn't struggled on different teams that don't have talent to support him. He has the talent to take over games, and seasons. He's just more inconsistent than bonafide stars. I'm very meh on signing him, because he's 34 but no need to shit on a guy who has had a really good career

It's not shitting on the guy, it's just the truth that he's never lived up to expectations or his talent level.

over a 16 year career he's near or at a ppg just 4 times. His other twelve years he produced at a 57 point pace while being paid and expected to do far more.

His playoff productions equals out to 48 points over 82 games. And he wasn't money in the playoffs for Columbus, he put up 7 points in 3 games, and just 3 points the other 7.

I can't even call him an average player because he's always had the ability to be more than he is. But he has found himself a situation where he has enough better players around him to where what he is can be fine. It's a situation he's not going to get here, and he's not a player I'd want around.

 

[newfy]

Agree on it being a center with actual NHL playing experience. I have no idea why the Kings would want to trade Byfield, but I'd happily take him in a trade. Pretty sure Johnson is a winger, so that doesn't appeal to me as much.

I doubt they would but that's what it would take for me to move a guy like Larkin. They're a top 6 team in the league right now with Byfield being a 55 point guy. If they could add a point per game Larkin down the middle with Kopitar to have a couple more cups runs before Kopitar and Doughty are done, maybe they think about it?

They're a weird team that could actually win now but have a short window to do so before that team gets completely blown up. Then they'll be looking at Byfield being 30 before they're competing

It's not shitting on the guy, it's just the truth that he's never lived up to expectations or his talent level.

over a 16 year career he's near or at a ppg just 4 times. His other twelve years he produced at a 57 point pace while being paid and expected to do far more.

His playoff productions equals out to 48 points over 82 games. And he wasn't money in the playoffs for Columbus, he put up 7 points in 3 games, and just 3 points the other 7.

I can't even call him an average player because he's always had the ability to be more than he is. But he has found himself a situation where he has enough better players around him to where what he is can be fine. It's a situation he's not going to get here, and he's not a player I'd want around.

He's played over 1100 career games at a 64 point pace. He's an Olympic, world cup and 2x world championship gold medal winner. He's had 3 or 4 seasons that are arguably better than anything a red wing has had in a decade, and been a first line players the vast majority of his career. He was a third overall pick not some generational first overall, your expectations of his talent level were just off if you think that's the case

 

[SirloinUB]

Duchene would have been a nice alternative to Compher but at 34 I wouldnt want to offer him more than a 1 year contract.

 

[Winger98]

I doubt they would but that's what it would take for me to move a guy like Larkin. They're a top 6 team in the league right now with Byfield being a 55 point guy. If they could add a point per game Larkin down the middle with Kopitar to have a couple more cups runs before Kopitar and Doughty are done, maybe they think about it?

They're a weird team that could actually win now but have a short window to do so before that team gets completely blown up. Then they'll be looking at Byfield being 30 before they're competing

He's played over 1100 career games at a 64 point pace. He's an Olympic, world cup and 2x world championship gold medal winner. He's had 3 or 4 seasons that are arguably better than anything a red wing has had in a decade, and been a first line players the vast majority of his career. He was a third overall pick not some generational first overall, your expectations of his talent level were just off if you think that's the case

he's a lesser Pierre Turgeon, who I also never wanted anywhere near the Wings.

edit: to build off this, I'm saying he's not a guy you win with if you have to depend on him. He's a passenger who can put up numbers but not be one of your horses. Yeah, he's going to have success at things where he's surrounded by a bunch of better players, just like he's doing in Dallas. But he's not going to be a guy you lean on. He never has. He never will be.

And if he does come out and start asking for $7m or so as folks here are saying, I just let him go and find that somewhere else this summer.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

he's a lesser Pierre Turgeon, who I also never wanted anywhere near the Wings.

edit: to build off this, I'm saying he's not a guy you win with if you have to depend on him. He's a passenger who can put up numbers but not be one of your horses. Yeah, he's going to have success at things where he's surrounded by a bunch of better players, just like he's doing in Dallas. But he's not going to be a guy you lean on. He never has. He never will be.

And if he does come out and start asking for $7m or so as folks here are saying, I just let him go and find that somewhere else this summer.

No thanks to Duchene, Byfield, or Zegras.

 

[Oddbob]

I doubt they would but that's what it would take for me to move a guy like Larkin. They're a top 6 team in the league right now with Byfield being a 55 point guy. If they could add a point per game Larkin down the middle with Kopitar to have a couple more cups runs before Kopitar and Doughty are done, maybe they think about it?

They're a weird team that could actually win now but have a short window to do so before that team gets completely blown up. Then they'll be looking at Byfield being 30 before they're competing

He's played over 1100 career games at a 64 point pace. He's an Olympic, world cup and 2x world championship gold medal winner. He's had 3 or 4 seasons that are arguably better than anything a red wing has had in a decade, and been a first line players the vast majority of his career. He was a third overall pick not some generational first overall, your expectations of his talent level were just off if you think that's the case

Duchene is ok at 64 pt pace for his career, but Larkin is the one struggling with the exact same pt average? Larkin has played enough games for that 64 to mean about what he is. Not saying Larkin can't have high expectations, but he has only hit actual ppg once in his career and a couple close ones, other than that 65ish pts is about where he lands, given that most seasons he will miss 1-15 games.

You are also pointing out too high of expectations for Duchene as a 3rd overall, while Dylan was a 15th overall (so lower expectations presumably), so him having the same career average and arguably better compete level should be considered pretty good.

 

[Luceni]

I think Red Wings will do fine without any major moves this offseason. Draft smart & let the kids develope. Raymond - Larkin - Kasper - Danielson - ASP - Seider - Edvinsson looks like a good core for years to come and other prospects like Lombardi or MBN have a good chance of being useful NHL Players as well.

The Goalie situation on the other hand is a bit tricky, I'm not sure if one of them can become a top10 goalie in the league.

 

[datsyukfan]

I think Red Wings will do fine without any major moves this offseason. Draft smart & let the kids develope. Raymond - Larkin - Kasper - Danielson - ASP - Seider - Edvinsson looks like a good core for years to come and other prospects like Lombardi or MBN have a good chance of being useful NHL Players as well.

The Goalie situation on the other hand is a bit tricky, I'm not sure if one of them can become a top10 goalie in the league.

You have to at least get a top 4D, if they don’t then they won’t compete. Ideally a LH shot

 

[FMichael]

I think Red Wings will do fine without any major moves this offseason. Draft smart & let the kids develope. Raymond - Larkin - Kasper - Danielson - ASP - Seider - Edvinsson looks like a good core for years to come and other prospects like Lombardi or MBN have a good chance of being useful NHL Players as well.

The Goalie situation on the other hand is a bit tricky, I'm not sure if one of them can become a top10 goalie in the league.

IMHO it was a head scratcher to have acquired Mrazek (along with Smith - made no sense at all)...Would've preferred giving Lyon a raise and a few seasons instead.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Why hasn’t Steve done an end of season presser?

 

[lhsgolf19]

 

[Luceni]

Maybe they're gonna hire Lalonde as the new Janitor-guy?

 

[SirloinUB]

Maybe the video coach?

I assume Yawney is safe.

Tanguay has done good things with the PP so he doesn't seem likely - That said our 5 on 5 offence has been woeful so maybe him?

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Wasn't there talk of the oilers trying to get rid of nurse???? If they get outed again and have to give bouchard big bucks would they just try to get rid of nurse for nothing ??

He wasn't someone I was looking at but if he comes dirt cheap and we can then say give the hawks a 2nd + berggren to help bring his salary to like 7.75 I might be inclined to do it

Nurse seider
Edvinsson asp
Chiarot johansson

Looks alot better

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Curious what McLellan has in mind. He had to inherit Tanguay, but the PP was the one thing that carried the team and was really good last year, so sending him packing makes no sense. Yawney coming on was a requirement of McLellan taking the job, so doubt it is him.

Goaltending coach?

 

[WF19]

Goaltending coach would make sense, and our powerplay was one of the bright spots this year..

 

[Run the Jewels]

I'm guessing it's Varady. Just a guess.

 

[saska sault]

Wasn't there talk of the oilers trying to get rid of nurse???? If they get outed again and have to give bouchard big bucks would they just try to get rid of nurse for nothing ??

He wasn't someone I was looking at but if he comes dirt cheap and we can then say give the hawks a 2nd + berggren to help bring his salary to like 7.75 I might be inclined to do it

Nurse seider
Edvinsson asp
Chiarot johansson

Looks alot better

I would love Nurse on that blueline. Hes mean and athletic. I am also bias as he is an ex Greyhound....

He has flaws but if he comes retained... why not. Edvinson, Mo and Nurse would be a nightmare for teams to play against. He wouldn't need to be anything more than a #3 guy.

 

[DanielMarois]

Wasn't there talk of the oilers trying to get rid of nurse???? If they get outed again and have to give bouchard big bucks would they just try to get rid of nurse for nothing ??

He wasn't someone I was looking at but if he comes dirt cheap and we can then say give the hawks a 2nd + berggren to help bring his salary to like 7.75 I might be inclined to do it

Nurse seider
Edvinsson asp
Chiarot johansson

Looks alot better

Nurse sucks.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Nurse sucks.

We suck

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

We suck

Nurse is @9.25 until age 35.

Do you want aquire that?