It seems to me that it is worth repeating that it is Larkin's leadership that is questioned, not his production. Very few here question his production.
The issue this year was for sure his production in the final stretch. As for those who question his leadership they should listen less to press conferences and watch more hockey. This team competed very hard till the end, effort was never the issue.It seems to me that it is worth repeating that it is Larkin's leadership that is questioned, not his production. Very few here question his production.
Because he’s 34yrs old and projected to get 3yrs $15M by every expert. I think I said give him $6M/yr instead of $5M to be the high bidder.Danielson is 20, and will be 21 when the season starts next year. Want to tell me how many points Larkin had at 21? If that’s what you’re basing this on, the Danielson is WAY behind Larkin at the same age.
In what world are you signing Duchene for $3M less than Larkin? Why is he signing for the same damn money Copp got?![]()
Because you give them significantly more money than everyone elseAnd those guys are all gonna sign here why? You just traded arguably your 2 best players. Kane won’t come back after you dealt his best friend
Funny how my new topic (trading Larkin post presser) got locked this wknd for being “old news”. Then today there were four articles in the DetNews and Freep about it. And now there’s a new thread on the board about it.This topic got locked for some reason.. trading Larkin and DeBrincat:
In 6yrs Seider (30) and Raymond (29) will still have 5’ish yrs of great hockey left. But Larkin (34) and DeBrincat (33, if we can resign him) will probably just be hanging on as 3rd liners.
I think we could get two 1st Rd picks for each this summer. And I think that’d be the right move — along with a veteran FA spending spree this summer so we don’t take a step back (overpay for Tavares, Duchene, Marchand, Orlov, Kane, etc. on 3’ish yr deals)
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Idea of what the team could look like Seider’s age-30 season:
25 DET 1st(24)—Kasper(27)—Raymond(29)
26 DET 1st(23)—Danielson(26)—MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27)—25 Lar 1st(24)—26 Lar 1st(23)
Soder(29) — ??? — Mazur(28)
Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
25 DeB 1st(24)—ASP(26)
Johansson(30)—26 DeB 1st(23)
Cossa(28), Augustine(26)
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Idea of what next yr’s team could look like:
Tavares—Duchene—Raymond
Marchand—Kasper—Kane
Soder—Danielson—Mazur
Ras—Copp—Compher
Edvinsson—Seider
Orlov—Johansson (ASP mid yr)
Chiarot—AHL RD (Johansson mid yr)
Mrazek, Talbot
Duchene just put up a point per game season as a #1 center and you think he's going to take less than 7 million? He just outscored Larkin and you think he's going to take less than Larkin? You think he's going to leave the warm weather/tax benefits of Dallas to come to Detroit?Because he’s 34yrs old and projected to get 3yrs $15M by every expert. I think I said give him $6M/yr instead of $5M to be the high bidder.
Larkin makes almost $9M/yr
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1. He is a FA this summerDuchene just put up a point per game season as a #1 center and you think he's going to take less than 7 million? He just outscored Larkin and you think he's going to take less than Larkin? You think he's going to leave the warm weather/tax benefits of Dallas to come to Detroit?
It's delusional to think we can get any (decent) free agent right now without massively overpaying.
I hope thats the case, if he was injured though it doesnt help the case that Yzerman should've sold the future if he couldnt play.One logical explanation is that he was hurt, and I believe he said he was nursing injuries after the 4 nation tournament in the presser.
Do with that what you will.
I dont really care what his career average is, why would I factor a sophomore season 32 points into my expectations for him now. The last 3 seasons, since getting a big contract and having the "C" on his jersey, hes been a point per game guy. You cant whine about not getting help and finish well off that mark. Looks kinda bad to meHis NHL career avg per 82 games is 64 pts, so he hit what should be expected from him and only 9 pts off his career high. Without him, the team doesn't have to worry about him going "cold" in March.
This is delusion at its absolute finestBecause he’s 34yrs old and projected to get 3yrs $15M by every expert. I think I said give him $6M/yr instead of $5M to be the high bidder.
Larkin makes almost $9M/yr
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Yes. I agree. You are clearly much smarter than all the experts combined.This is delusion at its absolute finest
I’m waiting for you to tell me why a guy who had been struggling and now has found a great spot in Dallas with a ton of success would decide to come to Detroit at a discount?Yes. I agree. You are clearly much smarter than all the experts combined.
You spelled “For more money and yrs than Dallas is going to offer him” wrong.I’m waiting for you to tell me why a guy who had been struggling and now has found a great spot in Dallas with a ton of success would decide to come to Detroit at a discount?
Oh, you already know what they’re going to offer him?You spelled “For more money and yrs than Dallas is going to offer him” wrong.
I legitimately just think he's getting high.This is delusion at its absolute finest
Barring some outrageous like $10M x 3 offer I don’t think that’s even a bit of a concern that country loving Duchene is leaving country loving Texas after trying to stay long term in country loving Tennesseeno interest in Duchene. we don't have the same amount of talent to surround him with as Dallas does, and whenever he's been put into hard situations in the past (Colorado before they were good, Ottawa, Columbus, Nashville) he buckled. I think he'd be a fool to leave Dallas.
We need to sign someone with an upwards trajectory and not someone who is expected to decline.-Gavrikov(29): 7x$7
-Tavares(34): 4x$8
-Duchene(34): 3x$7
Yeah? Guess we should probably get rid of Kane then.We need to sign someone with an upwards trajectory and not someone who is expected to decline.
So no reason to sign Tavares and Duchene who is just going to get slower.
Is Gavrikov a solution to our needs? Not sure.
Yes and yes.Yeah? Guess we should probably get rid of Kane then.
And I guess you prefer what…. Soder/Berggren/Tank/??? on the top line w Larkin and Raymond again?
I wouldn't be all over Duchene by any means but this just isn't true. He had some great years in Colorado, despite the fact that they were atrocious and he was really young at the time.no interest in Duchene. we don't have the same amount of talent to surround him with as Dallas does, and whenever he's been put into hard situations in the past (Colorado before they were good, Ottawa, Columbus, Nashville) he buckled. I think he'd be a fool to leave Dallas.
I'm only open to trading him if its for someone who has some time in the NHL so that you can better gauge how they'll translate. Nikishin is really good prospect, but lots of highly touted D have come from Europe and not panned out in the NHL.Would you guys trade Larkin for nikishin +? I would