Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

It seems to me that it is worth repeating that it is Larkin's leadership that is questioned, not his production. Very few here question his production.
The issue this year was for sure his production in the final stretch. As for those who question his leadership they should listen less to press conferences and watch more hockey. This team competed very hard till the end, effort was never the issue.
 
Danielson is 20, and will be 21 when the season starts next year. Want to tell me how many points Larkin had at 21? If that’s what you’re basing this on, the Danielson is WAY behind Larkin at the same age.

In what world are you signing Duchene for $3M less than Larkin? Why is he signing for the same damn money Copp got? :laugh:
Because he’s 34yrs old and projected to get 3yrs $15M by every expert. I think I said give him $6M/yr instead of $5M to be the high bidder.

Larkin makes almost $9M/yr

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This topic got locked for some reason.. trading Larkin and DeBrincat:

In 6yrs Seider (30) and Raymond (29) will still have 5’ish yrs of great hockey left. But Larkin (34) and DeBrincat (33, if we can resign him) will probably just be hanging on as 3rd liners.

I think we could get two 1st Rd picks for each this summer. And I think that’d be the right move — along with a veteran FA spending spree this summer so we don’t take a step back (overpay for Tavares, Duchene, Marchand, Orlov, Kane, etc. on 3’ish yr deals)

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Idea of what the team could look like Seider’s age-30 season:

25 DET 1st(24)—Kasper(27)—Raymond(29)
26 DET 1st(23)—Danielson(26)—MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27)—25 Lar 1st(24)26 Lar 1st(23)
Soder(29) — ??? — Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
25 DeB 1st(24)—ASP(26)
Johansson(30)—26 DeB 1st(23)

Cossa(28), Augustine(26)

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Idea of what next yr’s team could look like:

TavaresDuchene—Raymond
Marchand—Kasper—Kane
Soder—Danielson—Mazur
Ras—Copp—Compher

Edvinsson—Seider
Orlov—Johansson (ASP mid yr)
Chiarot—AHL RD (Johansson mid yr)

Mrazek, Talbot
Funny how my new topic (trading Larkin post presser) got locked this wknd for being “old news”. Then today there were four articles in the DetNews and Freep about it. And now there’s a new thread on the board about it.

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Because he’s 34yrs old and projected to get 3yrs $15M by every expert. I think I said give him $6M/yr instead of $5M to be the high bidder.

Larkin makes almost $9M/yr

…..

😶
Duchene just put up a point per game season as a #1 center and you think he's going to take less than 7 million? He just outscored Larkin and you think he's going to take less than Larkin? You think he's going to leave the warm weather/tax benefits of Dallas to come to Detroit?

It's delusional to think we can get any (decent) free agent right now without massively overpaying.
 
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Duchene just put up a point per game season as a #1 center and you think he's going to take less than 7 million? He just outscored Larkin and you think he's going to take less than Larkin? You think he's going to leave the warm weather/tax benefits of Dallas to come to Detroit?

It's delusional to think we can get any (decent) free agent right now without massively overpaying.
1. He is a FA this summer 😶.

2. I’m merely repeating what every single expert is saying. You apparently know more than all the experts combined. That’s super.
 
One logical explanation is that he was hurt, and I believe he said he was nursing injuries after the 4 nation tournament in the presser.

Do with that what you will.
I hope thats the case, if he was injured though it doesnt help the case that Yzerman should've sold the future if he couldnt play.
His NHL career avg per 82 games is 64 pts, so he hit what should be expected from him and only 9 pts off his career high. Without him, the team doesn't have to worry about him going "cold" in March.
I dont really care what his career average is, why would I factor a sophomore season 32 points into my expectations for him now. The last 3 seasons, since getting a big contract and having the "C" on his jersey, hes been a point per game guy. You cant whine about not getting help and finish well off that mark. Looks kinda bad to me
 
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Yes. I agree. You are clearly much smarter than all the experts combined.
I’m waiting for you to tell me why a guy who had been struggling and now has found a great spot in Dallas with a ton of success would decide to come to Detroit at a discount?
 
I’m waiting for you to tell me why a guy who had been struggling and now has found a great spot in Dallas with a ton of success would decide to come to Detroit at a discount?
You spelled “For more money and yrs than Dallas is going to offer him” wrong.
 
You spelled “For more money and yrs than Dallas is going to offer him” wrong.
Oh, you already know what they’re going to offer him?

And yes I’m sure Duchene, with absolutely no connections to Detroit in any kind of way and has already made $83M to date, wants to spend the remainder of his career with a team struggling to just make the post season.

Again, living in a different reality you are.
 
This is delusion at its absolute finest
I legitimately just think he's getting high.
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no interest in Duchene. we don't have the same amount of talent to surround him with as Dallas does, and whenever he's been put into hard situations in the past (Colorado before they were good, Ottawa, Columbus, Nashville) he buckled. I think he'd be a fool to leave Dallas.
 
no interest in Duchene. we don't have the same amount of talent to surround him with as Dallas does, and whenever he's been put into hard situations in the past (Colorado before they were good, Ottawa, Columbus, Nashville) he buckled. I think he'd be a fool to leave Dallas.
Barring some outrageous like $10M x 3 offer I don’t think that’s even a bit of a concern that country loving Duchene is leaving country loving Texas after trying to stay long term in country loving Tennessee
 
If you want to fix the team without blowing it up…

#1: Need a LHD. Immediately. I’d love for Yzerman to pull a rabbit out of his arse trade. But I haven’t heard a single rumor. So I’m going to assume Gavrikov is the best realistic option. And you’re going to have to overpay to get him. And you should.

He’s not perfect. And he might be a 3rd pair D at the end of his contract. But that’s okay. It’s also a good draft to trade up into the mid-1st (ala Cossa/ASP) to draft a top-4 LHD of the future. I really like Aitcheson in this draft.

#1b: Need to find a solid AHL+ RHD to hold the fort until ASP’s ready. Holl and Gustafsson should start the yr in the GR or elsewhere.

Edvinsson—Seider
Gavrikov—Johansson (then ASP)
Chiarot—AHL+ (then Johansson)

That’d ^ be a solid-enough D to make the playoffs. Certainly much, much better than this past yr.

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#2: Need to sign Marner and a vet top-6 forward (or two vet top-6 forwards). Marner is of course the dream. We should be the top-bidder. If we get him, great. If we don’t, I’d prefer two vets on short deals (3’ish yrs), given the market. Love Kane, but he’s best as a 3rd line PP specialist at this point.

Tavares, Duchene, Granlund, Nelson, Marchand. Find 2. If it’s just 3yr deals…who cares what it costs.

#2b: Have to find a way to improve the PK. No one on this bottom line can kill penalties. Easiest guy to move for someone will be Ras (could package him w Berggren), given Copp/Compher’s contracts. Tank should start the yr in GR or elsewhere.

Tavares?—Larkin—Raymond
DeBrincat—Kasper—Duchene?
Mazur/Soder—Danielson—Kane
Mazur/Soder, Ras trade?, Copp
Compher

That’s a solid enough group ^
 
Let’s play this out…. Marner spurns us and signs a record-breaking deal w Toronto/some tax-free contender. Stevie-Y outbids the field for 3 FA’s…

-Gavrikov(29): 7x$7
-Tavares(34): 4x$8
-Duchene(34): 3x$7

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2025-26:

DeBrincat(27)-Larkin(28)-Raymond(23)
Tavares(34)-Kasper(21)-Duchene(34)
Soder(23)-Danielson(20)-Kane(36)
Copp(30)-(Ras/Berg Trade?)-Mazur(23)
Compher(30)

Edvinsson(22)-Seider(24)
Gavrikov(29)-Johansson(24)…(*then ASP(20))
Chiarot(33)-AHL+…(*then Johansson)
Gustafsson

Mrazek(33), Talbot(37)…(*then Cossa(22))

Buyout/Trade: Tarasenko(33), Holl(33)

…Note: Think we could/should trade Ras & Berg for a nice PK specialist to address our single biggest weakness.

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2026-27:

CONNOR(29)-Larkin(29)-Raymond(24)
DeBrincat(28)-Kasper(22)-MBN(20)
Buchelnikov(22)-Danielson(21)-Duchene(35)
Soder(24)-Tavares(35)-Mazur(24)

Edvinsson(23)-Seider(25)
Gavrikov(30)-ASP(21)
Wallinder(23)-Johansson(25)

Cossa(23), ???

Buyout/Trade: Copp(31), Compher(31)

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2027-28:

CONNOR(30)-Larkin(30)-Raymond(25)
DeBrincat(29)-Kasper(23)-MBN(21)
Buchelnikov(23)-Danielson(22)-25 1st(20)
Soder(25)-Tavares(36)-Duchene(36)-Mazur(25)

Edvinsson(24)-Seider(26)
Gavrikov(31)-ASP(22)
Wallinder(24)-Johansson(26)

Cossa(24), Augustine(22)
 
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We need to sign someone with an upwards trajectory and not someone who is expected to decline.

So no reason to sign Tavares and Duchene who is just going to get slower.

Is Gavrikov a solution to our needs? Not sure.
Yeah? Guess we should probably get rid of Kane then.

And I guess you prefer what…. Soder/Berggren/Tank/??? on the top line w Larkin and Raymond again?
 
No matter who it is, you don't start filling your roster with many old guys around 35 when you are in a rebuild. You can have maybe some. But not fill it up.

Kane we already have and he is doing well. He is also a 3x Stanley Cup Champion experienced winger compared to the others you want that has never come close to winning anything.
Then you going to move Tavares down? He doesn't hit or play with intensity. Smart player, but probably his cup chance will be with Toronto, if not will not win most likely.
 
no interest in Duchene. we don't have the same amount of talent to surround him with as Dallas does, and whenever he's been put into hard situations in the past (Colorado before they were good, Ottawa, Columbus, Nashville) he buckled. I think he'd be a fool to leave Dallas.
I wouldn't be all over Duchene by any means but this just isn't true. He had some great years in Colorado, despite the fact that they were atrocious and he was really young at the time.

He played 2 years in Ottawa. One of them he was on pace for 95 points with 58 in 50 games and a 30 something goal pace both years.

Columbus, sure I guess he wasn't great production wise. He only played 23 reg season games though, and he was money in the playoffs. 10 points in 10 games on a team playing with house money.

Nashville he had a season of 43 goals and 86 points, absolutely better season than anyone on the current wings have been close to.

He's not a star to the point that he has those seasons every single season, and I'll say he's inconsistent. You'll get a season where he's a superstar, followed up by borderline first line numbers. But Duchene hasn't struggled on different teams that don't have talent to support him. He has the talent to take over games, and seasons. He's just more inconsistent than bonafide stars. I'm very meh on signing him, because he's 34 but no need to shit on a guy who has had a really good career
 
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Would you guys trade Larkin for nikishin +? I would
I'm only open to trading him if its for someone who has some time in the NHL so that you can better gauge how they'll translate. Nikishin is really good prospect, but lots of highly touted D have come from Europe and not panned out in the NHL.

I also think its gotta be for a center, not a dman if I'm trading him. A guy like Byfield or Kent Johnson, sure you have my attention.. a European dman with no NHL experience? Doesn't get my blood flowing
 
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