Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[Go Wings]

Just let the Yzerplan take its course we might get 3 more players from our drafts on the team next year that can significantly move the dial. Especially if Cossa can adjust to the bigs.

So you want to miss the playoffs again, got it

 

[Dotter]

Detroit is not getting a lottery pick. But yes, I agree, better drafts.

They have a 3% chance, so I agee. BUT if they do, people on this forum will cry "conspiracy!!!!!"

 

[Go Wings]

I’m certainly not saying Bennett is a bad fit or anything like that, but I disagree on the depth part of what you are saying.

IMO depth is what is going to be our biggest strength. Look at the kids that could be here either next year or the following:

Kasper, Danielson, soderblom, Mazur, MBN, Lombardi,Finne, kiskenen, Buch, etc

I’m fairly confident that all those guys are going to be very good middle 6 to bottom 6 players, but I’m also fairly certain none of them are going to be a legit star.

If we aren’t gonna have a legit star Center than I like building it Larkin-Kasper-Danielson because I see it as a low end 1C and two #2C’s that both are gonna be hard to play against and can match other teams stars.

But if you aren’t gonna have that legit high end 1C the next best option is having multiple elite wingers and that’s where I think Marner is a crazy good fit. He makes Raymond and Cat your #2 and #3 wingers. Kane can be the 4th best winger and then eventually a Buch or MBN or Mazur or Lombardi can hopefully fill that role.

Depth "could" be our biggest strength eventually. Right now it's just a hope of that. There no guarantee that always these prospect develop properly. Outside of ASP our defense prospects are proof of that. Paying 14 million for a perimeter winger with a really good shit isn't a good idea.
Add Bennett, convince Kane to come back, add a PK specialist forward. Replace the bottom pairing defense and call it a day.
Personally I would dump almost half the roster but that isn't going to happen.

 

[Run the Jewels]

It's kind of amazing when pressed on what on earth Draper has done to be handed this franchise, my question has been met with crickets. Like, not a single response. That says something about something. So what's up @Petes2424 @Frk It @The Zetterberg Era ? What makes you confident the Red Wings are gonna blow it up and then hand it over to Draper?

So yeah, depth. This could very well be our lineup next season:

Center
C1: Larkin
C2: Kasper
C3: Copp
C4: Danielson (with the potential to move up the lineup)

Defense
DP1: Edvinsson - Seider
DP2: X - Sandin-Pelikka

That's the type of center depth we haven't had since Datsyuk and Zetterberg. That's the sort of quality top 4 on D we haven't had since Lidstrom-Rafalski-Kronwall. I'm not saying that lineup I posted above is going to be as good as the core players on our last Cup winner, just that if you can't see the improvement from where we were when Holland had the roster full of old, overpriced vets, the team was up against the cap, and only put up 39 points in the 2019-20 season, you are an excellence demander who will only be happy once the team has finally won a Cup and can't really understand how long the rebuild Steve Yzerman promised us was going to take.

Yzerman said his goal was to give the team a long window of being competitive. The hard work has mostly been done. I do think we'll see a much better team next season.

 

[Frk It]

It's kind of amazing when pressed on what on earth Draper has done to be handed this franchise, my question has been met with crickets. Like, not a single response. That says something about something. So what's up @Petes2424 @Frk It @The Zetterberg Era ? What makes you confident the Red Wings are gonna blow it up and then hand it over to Draper?

Why do you think I want that?

The only thing I have ever said is I think Draper has done a better job than he gets credit for. I have no idea how he would do as a GM, and I don't really want to find out.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Why do you think I want that?

The only thing I have ever said is I think Draper has done a better job than he gets credit for. I have no idea how he would do as a GM, and I don't really want to find out.

Thanks, I appreciate the response. Short and sweet and very clear. Thanks again.

 

[Frk It]

Thanks, I appreciate the response. Short and sweet and very clear. Thanks again.

??????

 

[Run the Jewels]

??????

You've been one of Kris Draper's biggest supporters, so I figured if anyone could make the case for Draper as the GM next season it would be you. This isn't said with anything other than legit curiosity to hear the best case for Draper as GM.

 

[RabidBadger]

Read it earlier he wanted to sign now and play in the last few games to burn a year off his deal and Tampa said no and he then said he’s going back to ncaa . Doesnt sound good .... heard it podcasts I think 32 thoughts mentioned it

This story is starting to get some traction. I wouldn't mind poaching the Iceman from Tampa next year.

 

[Winger98]

What did Holland do before being moved initially into that hydra of a GM back in the 90s? Or Nill before going to dallas? Yzerman before Tampa? Verbeek before Anaheim? Sweeney before getting the reins in Boston? brisebois before taking over in Tampa?

Draper was a special assistant to Holland, director of amateur scouting in 2019, and then assistant GM here since 2023. You can not like the guy but that's the sort of resume any prospective GM builds up and no one goes "why is he being looked at for this sort of job?"

 

[Frk It]

You've been one of Kris Draper's biggest supporters, so I figured if anyone could make the case for Draper as the GM next season it would be you. This isn't said with anything other than legit curiosity to hear the best case for Draper as GM.

Well to be straight with you, I’d prefer to keep Yzerman as GM.

I think Draper has done a good job in his role with regards to scouting, and better than he gets credit for IMO. A lot of that is this board is weird and won’t give him credit for Euro picks and stuff like that. Or don’t acknowledge that the more recent NA picks are trending pretty damn well. Stuff like that.

How would he do with free agency? Trades? Contract negotiations? Who would he appoint as his replacement?

I genuinely don’t want to find out the answers to those questions. We could easily end up worse off. I think Yzerman deserves to keep his job and I would prefer to stay the course we are on right now. There are some things I’d like to see Yzerman do better (free agency/trades), and I think he can/will do that, so I’m pretty content at the moment. I am not calling for any kind of change.

 

[Run the Jewels]

What did Holland do before being moved initially into that hydra of a GM back in the 90s? Or Nill before going to dallas? Yzerman before Tampa? Verbeek before Anaheim? Sweeney before getting the reins in Boston? brisebois before taking over in Tampa?

Draper was a special assistant to Holland, director of amateur scouting in 2019, and then assistant GM here since 2023. You can not like the guy but that's the sort of resume any prospective GM builds up and no one goes "why is he being looked at for this sort of job?"

Yzerman went to Tampa, ran his own franchise, results speak for themselves. Nill went to Dallas, ran his own franchise, results speak for themselves. That's why I'd want Draper to go run his own franchise.

 

[Winger98]

Yzerman went to Tampa, ran his own franchise, results speak for themselves. Nill went to Dallas, ran his own franchise, results speak for themselves. That's why I'd want Draper to go run his own franchise.

Then you're probably hiring a retread who just got fired from somewhere if you want only a guy with prior GM experience. Taking a good GM from another team while they are still employed like we did with Yzerman doesn't happen very often.

 

[Ezekial]

I'd rather Yzerman be GM for 7 more years than promote Draper to GM and have Yzerman make all the moves.

Sounds f***ing stupid.

I like our prospects, I like the idea of our team. Outside of Kaner every bright spot of the season was a kid.

 

[ricky0034]

What did Holland do before being moved initially into that hydra of a GM back in the 90s? Or Nill before going to dallas? Yzerman before Tampa? Verbeek before Anaheim? Sweeney before getting the reins in Boston? brisebois before taking over in Tampa?

Draper was a special assistant to Holland, director of amateur scouting in 2019, and then assistant GM here since 2023. You can not like the guy but that's the sort of resume any prospective GM builds up and no one goes "why is he being looked at for this sort of job?"

especially in a hypothetical like with this thread where Yzerman would still be around above him too

don't take this as me endorsing the idea of Draper becoming a GM because to be honest I don't have the slightest clue what he's even done in that AGM role but it wouldn't be a crazy hire as far as resume goes at the very least

 

[Run the Jewels]

Then you're probably hiring a retread who just got fired from somewhere if you want only a guy with prior GM experience. Taking a good GM from another team while they are still employed like we did with Yzerman doesn't happen very often.

Would you hire Verbeek or Draper if Yzerman got hit by a bus today? I'd do my best to hire Verbeek because he's had experience in Detroit, Tampa, and running the Ducks. The insular 'we've got the best guys in the biz right under our roof' led to the prolonged rebuild and the terrible North American scouting, so I want someone who's had to go out and listen to some other voices and make his own decisions.

 

[ricky0034]

Would you hire Verbeek or Draper if Yzerman got hit by a bus today? I'd do my best to hire Verbeek because he's had experience in Detroit, Tampa, and running the Ducks. The insular 'we've got the best guys in the biz right under our roof' led to the prolonged rebuild and the terrible North American scouting, so I want someone who's had to go out and listen to some other voices and make his own decisions.

would Verbeek even want to come back? seems like he's doing pretty well for himself over in Anaheim at the moment

 

[Run the Jewels]

especially in a hypothetical like with this thread where Yzerman would still be around above him too

don't take this as me endorsing the idea of Draper becoming a GM because to be honest I don't have the slightest clue what he's even done in that AGM role but it wouldn't be a crazy hire as far as resume goes at the very least

Holland benefited greatly from an era where there was no salary cap and he could take guys like Mike Vernon, Dom Hasek, Brendan Shanahan and Chris Chelios from franchises and give them middling prospects and/or late round draft picks as compensation.

This may be a spoiler alert, but the days of Detroit outspending everyone have been over for about 20 years. The lack of a cap papered over Detroit's awful North American scouting.

 

[Run the Jewels]

would Verbeek even want to come back? seems like he's doing pretty well for himself over in Anaheim at the moment

The question is who do you think is more prepared to handle the job right now? The only real thing anyone has mentioned in Draper's favor is Holland was successful nearly 30 years ago when there was no salary cap.

Super relevant example.

 

[ricky0034]

The question is who do you think is more prepared to handle the job right now? The only real thing anyone has mentioned in Draper's favor is Holland was successful nearly 30 years ago when there was no salary cap.

Super relevant example.

I mean Verbeek has been a GM for a few years now and seems to be doing a good job(although i'll admit I don't follow Anaheim super closely) and was probably more qualified than most first time GM hires to begin with with him being in an assistant role for essentially a full decade before that

i'd probably take Verbeek over Draper sure but again why would Verbeek even be available right now?

 

[HisNoodliness]

Would you hire Verbeek or Draper if Yzerman got hit by a bus today? I'd do my best to hire Verbeek because he's had experience in Detroit, Tampa, and running the Ducks. The insular 'we've got the best guys in the biz right under our roof' led to the prolonged rebuild and the terrible North American scouting, so I want someone who's had to go out and listen to some other voices and make his own decisions.

Obviously it's Verbeek over Draper. And I'd be cool with Verbeek as GM. I'm not sure who else I'd like that's available. But I also wouldn't mind getting a GM that hasn't read "Kicking Tires and Drafting Well: Ken Holland's Guide to Being a General Manager". I think that clearly it's one of the best philosophies for team building having put together a lot of strong teams (Detroit, Dallas and Tampa). But if we're moving on from Yzerman- for whatever reason- it's probably time for some fresh ideas. I don't think you're getting much that's new from either Verbeek or Draper.

 

[Winger98]

Would you hire Verbeek or Draper if Yzerman got hit by a bus today? I'd do my best to hire Verbeek because he's had experience in Detroit, Tampa, and running the Ducks. The insular 'we've got the best guys in the biz right under our roof' led to the prolonged rebuild and the terrible North American scouting, so I want someone who's had to go out and listen to some other voices and make his own decisions.

Is Verbeek getting fired any time soon? Because that matters. If we're just cherry picking GMs from across the league, their contract status be damned, I'd probably look at Vegas first. If we're looking at Draper and Verbeek, I don't think you're getting a guy crazily different from Yzerman in either case.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Yzerman isn’t going anywhere

 

[Run the Jewels]

Is Verbeek getting fired any time soon? Because that matters. If we're just cherry picking GMs from across the league, their contract status be damned, I'd probably look at Vegas first. If we're looking at Draper and Verbeek, I don't think you're getting a guy crazily different from Yzerman in either case.

You've missed the point entirely which is: why would anyone want Kris Draper to be the Red Wings GM next season as @Petes2424 seems to suggest could happen and @The Zetterberg Era said he's heard some stuff to support this narrative?

We have a fully competent GM who has proven himself over the past 14 years and has the rebuild close to hitting the long competitive window we were promised. What on earth is there to suggest a rebuild with Draper at the helm is going to be anything other than a royal clusterf**k?

 

[Winger98]

You've missed the point entirely which is: why would anyone want Kris Draper to be the Red Wings GM next season as @Petes2424 seems to suggest could happen and @The Zetterberg Era said he's heard some stuff to support this narrative?

We have a fully competent GM who has proven himself over the past 14 years and has the rebuild close to hitting the long competitive window we were promised. What on earth is there to suggest a rebuild with Draper at the helm is going to be anything other than a royal clusterf**k?

I don't think Pete's post said they were going to blow it up. I read it as the Wings think it's going to be another few years of ugliness and they would turn it over to Draper to buy that time with the fan base. If Draper takes over, I think we see the rebuild continue along the line it's been going.