Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[PelagicJoe]

Enlighten us, do you think the core of Larkin/Raymond/Seider is good enough to win a cup? Or how do you plan to get a franchise player good enough to win a cup?

We have to suck bad enough to the point of the threat of relocation or something drastically like that before we get handed a 1OA for a Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, McDavid, etc

 

[SirloinUB]

Enlighten us, do you think the core of Larkin/Raymond/Seider is good enough to win a cup? Or how do you plan to get a franchise player good enough to win a cup?

I think they can be members of a Stanley Cup winning core.

 

[Go Wings]

Maybe not next year but he’s gonna score 85-90. Once the kids push through he will be playing on a very deep team with a great d-core. It’s not like he won’t be playing with good players here as well

No. The d-core isn't why he gets 90 points per year on Toronto. The reason is because he plays with 6'3 Mathews one of the best goal scorers in the league and Knies a 6'3 power forward.

Tell me who Detroit's big players that are going to make room for Marner? 4th liner Rasmussen or 3rd liner Soderblom?

 

[rangersblues]

Could have used some luck in 2017, 2018, 2023 or 2024 though.

2017 - could have picked Tippet, Vilardi, Necas, Suzuki 11-13

2018 - did lose out on Brady Tkachuk but Quinn Hughes was left

2023 - I'm assuming you would have liked Michkov. Nobody knows if Montreal's number 5 was available. Personally I believe it was as they reached for Reinbacher.

2024 - ?

 

[Ulysses31]

Going into next season with this forward lineup would actually get me to consider firing Yzerman.

whose forward to target? UFA or trade?

 

[Ulysses31]

Watched a fair share of marner during leafs babcock era. Hes a great player. He's great with any player he has played with whether it b JVR n bozak, Kadri, Tavares, or matthews.

In my humble opinion there is no doubt he would put up numbers as least as good as he has on the leafs. Leafs having nylander, JT, matthews, and marner which is good BC they can play off each other but there is also only so much puck to go around. Here he would be the guy to get the puck to on the PP (like kane now) instead of playing 2nd fidel to matthews.

SHould we sign marner for 15x7 if he is available? I'm on the fence.

 

[nbwingsfan]

add me to the camp that doesn't buy the 'yzerman buckling to the pressure' rumor. he endured 13 years of futility and even talks of being traded as a player, he can take getting bashed by a handful of hfboards trolls. the man has ice water flowing through his veins

as far as adding another 3 years to the rebuild? i mean, i wouldn't cry about it, but man would this place be insufferable. probably have to start freebasing zoloft just to get through a gdt

the nhl absolutely does take the longest for teams to rebuild though. does anyone else think it'd be a good solution to raise the draft age to 19 or 20? it seems like a players d+1 takes a lot of the guesswork out of the draft

I’d always said the NHL should increase it to 19/20(for late Bdays) and have players apply for exceptional status if they’re a Crosby/Dahlin/Ovi/McDavid level prospect

 

[nbwingsfan]

your strategy signs a doug hamilton getting detroit into playoffs only to be crushed while hamilton ages out of prime before detroits window opens . yzermans strategy instead gets him kasper whom is going to be one of the players that opens the window in his career prime and maybe be around for 20 years of a great red wing career ! yzermans gunning for a dynasty rather than creating a flawed going nowhere roster just to get into playoffs

I highly doubt Kasper is going to play until he’s 40 with us

 

[deca guard]

yzerplan from day 1 was to do this rebuild via drafting in order to build a long standing same age deep roster that will contend for a decade . and signing top ufa at early stages of rebuild does nothing but detract from teams long term success because a better record early in rebuild only detracts from adding more solid building blox . and all these signings fans are crying about are doing nothing to detract from redwings long term success during these seasons record doesnt mean anything besides to the spoiled redwing fans who wanna get back to trash talking ! why is this so difficult for fans to grasp = redwings record during the first 5 seasons of this all out rebuild means N.O.T.H.I.N.G. concerning the long term success of this team !!!!!!!!!!!!!! and long term success is all yzerman cares about , HES DYNASTY BUILDING . mean while all the sulking children in this forum have turned into a mess , without fugu , RIP , here to babysit its like a 3rd grade classroom when the teacher has to step out for 10 minutes

I highly doubt Kasper is going to play until he’s 40 with us

you know what i meant , thanx for the useless comment

 

[deca guard]

whose forward to target? UFA or trade?

most important add imo ufa jeanrett from kings . he only 27ish and wont cost a ton = long term rugged force on 4 line = a very important need

 

[DanielMarois]

yzerplan from day 1 was to do this rebuild via drafting in order to build a long standing same age deep roster that will contend for a decade . and signing top ufa at early stages of rebuild does nothing but detract from teams long term success because a better record early in rebuild only detracts from adding more solid building blox . and all these signings fans are crying about are doing nothing to detract from redwings long term success during these seasons record doesnt mean anything besides to the spoiled redwing fans who wanna get back to trash talking ! why is this so difficult for fans to grasp = redwings record during the first 5 seasons of this all out rebuild means N.O.T.H.I.N.G. concerning the long term success of this team !!!!!!!!!!!!!! and long term success is all yzerman cares about , HES DYNASTY BUILDING . mean while all the sulking children in this forum have turned into a mess , without fugu , RIP , here to babysit its like a 3rd grade classroom when the teacher has to step out for 10 minutes

you know what i meant , thanx for the useless comment

So he kept Larkin in his prime years on the team even though he had no intention of competing? And signed Kane? Sounds like a weird plan

 

[deca guard]

So he kept Larkin in his prime years on the team even though he had no intention of competing? And signed Kane? Sounds like a weird plan

do you understand larkins the one leading the team towards becoming competitive . do you understand teams need leaders ! do you understand a gm cant allow a team to become totally lost without direction . do you understand kanes here to teach . do you understand THAT STEVE YZERMAN KNOWS MORE ABOUT RUNNING A HOCKEY ORGANIZATION THAN YOU ????????

 

[Ulysses31]

Marner 15 x 3 (don’t think he gets more than 12.5 longterm, look what happened to rantanen)

apples to oranges IMO. Looks like Rantanen values playing for a winner and actual dollars (low tax state i think and also 8 years). He could have had 14x7 plus easily as a UFA IMO.

 

[DanielMarois]

do you understand larkins the one leading the team towards becoming competitive . do you understand teams need leaders ! do you understand a gm cant allow a team to become totally lost without direction . do you understand kanes here to teach . do you understand THAT STEVE YZERMAN KNOWS MORE ABOUT RUNNING A HOCKEY ORGANIZATION THAN YOU ????????

Do you understand that Larkin is heading into his 30's and Kane will be gone soon and none of the forward prospects look like they will be big point producers?

 

[better Red than Dead]

2017 - could have picked Tippet, Vilardi, Necas, Suzuki 11-13

2018 - did lose out on Brady Tkachuk but Quinn Hughes was left

2023 - I'm assuming you would have liked Michkov. Nobody knows if Montreal's number 5 was available. Personally I believe it was as they reached for Reinbacher.

2024 - ?

In 2018 so was Bouchard

 

[Ulysses31]

Going into next season with this forward lineup would actually get me to consider firing Yzerman.

anyways even before adding anyone new, it's marginally better than this years roster by virtue of getting rid of tank and adding danielson.

I think we can both agree we dont want SY to gamble on trash like gus and tank again (no offense to tank n gus, they just arent even half-decent NHLers)

 

[fedoroviselite]

I would think this season would not be the one to complain that prospects are not getting any playing time. We have Kasper, Soderblom, Al Jo, and Ed all in the midst of their rookie seasons. If not for his injury Mazur would likely still be up as well. There's no plugs blocking prospects, we had a coach on his death bed refusing to play prospects as he coached for his job. Since his firing, there has been a clear youth movement. Danielson should still be in AHL this year, Lombardi looks like next year will be his opportunity. Perhaps ASP and MBN as well next year.

F it if nate looks comfortable in preseason and good put him in. If he doesn't then of corse ahl

 

[fedoroviselite]

Montreal finished dead last in 2022, have drafted 3 of their 4 leading scorers since Yzerman has been here, are going to make the playoffs this year, and have a better prospect pool than Detroit. The rebuild has been a massive failure so far.

This just is wild and accurate

 

[Henkka]

Fix the defence and PK at same time.

Then we are fine with McLellan hockey.

 

[Pavels Dog]

2017 - could have picked Tippet, Vilardi, Necas, Suzuki 11-13

2018 - did lose out on Brady Tkachuk but Quinn Hughes was left

2023 - I'm assuming you would have liked Michkov. Nobody knows if Montreal's number 5 was available. Personally I believe it was as they reached for Reinbacher.

2024 - ?

I don't disagree - but you're missing the point. Lottery wins shouldn't be needed to find good players, but it's a lot harder to get it right if you never win one.

 

[datsyukfan]

No. The d-core isn't why he gets 90 points per year on Toronto. The reason is because he plays with 6'3 Mathews one of the best goal scorers in the league and Knies a 6'3 power forward.

Tell me who Detroit's big players that are going to make room for Marner? 4th liner Rasmussen or 3rd liner Soderblom?

Ya they’ve generally had a pretty weak d-core. Well Kasper will start to do that here, I think MBN will be that type of guy as well. But that’s not the only reason he gets points, it’s not like he’s played his whole career with Knies

 

[datsyukfan]

yzerplan from day 1 was to do this rebuild via drafting in order to build a long standing same age deep roster that will contend for a decade . and signing top ufa at early stages of rebuild does nothing but detract from teams long term success because a better record early in rebuild only detracts from adding more solid building blox . and all these signings fans are crying about are doing nothing to detract from redwings long term success during these seasons record doesnt mean anything besides to the spoiled redwing fans who wanna get back to trash talking ! why is this so difficult for fans to grasp = redwings record during the first 5 seasons of this all out rebuild means N.O.T.H.I.N.G. concerning the long term success of this team !!!!!!!!!!!!!! and long term success is all yzerman cares about , HES DYNASTY BUILDING . mean while all the sulking children in this forum have turned into a mess , without fugu , RIP , here to babysit its like a 3rd grade classroom when the teacher has to step out for 10 minutes

you know what i meant , thanx for the useless comment

It’s not gonna matter what anyone says as it seems in your eyes yzerman can do no wrong.

If it’s all about not winning and getting higher picks then why did they 3 off seasons who make a push forward with the Perron UFA crop? If yzerman’s plan was what you say he should have never took that step forward.

Also nobody is saying don’t build it through the draft, he’s done that and done a good job, but he didn’t get that superstar player (not blaming him).

You can’t just have a full team of drafted players, he needs to find other ways to bring impact players in (UFA/Trades) and in that department in most people’s eyes he’s failed by bringing in the wrong UFA’s and imo he hasn’t been aggressive enough in trades

 

[Go Wings]

Ya they’ve generally had a pretty weak d-core. Well Kasper will start to do that here, I think MBN will be that type of guy as well. But that’s not the only reason he gets points, it’s not like he’s played his whole career with Knies

I am not bashing Marner he's a very good player. But he has played almost his entire career with Mathews. Look what happened with Rantanen. I thought he would be totally fine without MacKinnon based on how he plays the game. He hasn't been anywhere close to his dominant self away from MacKinnon.

Yes Detroit needs help on the wing but I firmly believe that Bennett is a much better fit and will be way cheaper. Detroit's lack of depth isn't going to be helped by spending 14 million on 1 player.

 

[Ulysses31]

Something has to give in toronto, marner prolly demanding 14x8 min, knies rumoured for 9x8 will b peanuts leftover for JT.

 

[Henkka]

It's interesting when Raymond is now playing with Söderblom and Kasper at 2nd line.

Maybe Marner will be take the 1st line duty.

DeBrincat - Larkin - Marner
Söderblom - Kasper - Raymond