GDT: Your New Jersey Devils vs. Calgary Flames, 7 PM, MSGSN

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glenwo2

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I have never understood the bolded response. There's no scenario where a coach has a great season but doesn't come back? I've pointed out several examples of this exact thing happening, it's not unheard of.

Fitz chose the safe play, yes. He didn't "have to". Sometimes leaders make difficult, even controversial decisions, for the greater good. That's the hallmark of a good leader, actually. Willing to take calculated risks, and putting the team ahead of himself. I see nothing out of bounds about criticizing Fitz for not moving on from Ruff.
Again...we had Andrew "Golf Cart DUI man" Brunette on the staff.

and we let him go and got Travis F'n Green turd in his place.

That's like trading in your Car for a Ford Pinto.
 

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I have never understood the bolded response. There's no scenario where a coach has a great season but doesn't come back? I've pointed out several examples of this exact thing happening, it's not unheard of.

Fitz chose the safe play, yes. He didn't "have to". Sometimes leaders make difficult, even controversial decisions, for the greater good. That's the hallmark of a good leader, actually. Willing to take calculated risks, and putting the team ahead of himself. I see nothing out of bounds about criticizing Fitz for not moving on from Ruff.
It's not unheard of but it's rare. Rare enough that I'm not going to hold it over Fitz's head as some proof of him being a bad GM. I'm not a fan of Ruff, but Jesus Christ the way some people talk about him you'd think he's 2010-11 John MacLean and the most obvious solution in the world was to tell him to take a hike and give Brunette the job. Never mind having a starting goaltender who has zero f***ing clue where the puck is half the time and has the rebound control of a bouncy castle. But oh, that's right the system is to blame for that. We can't expect a goalie to not consistently shit his pants behind it.
 
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The Devils didn't have that terrible of a game. It really is the ice cold powerplay and Vitek (the biggest reason) as to why they lost. Those goals he let in were awful. I'm not sure if the 2nd goal he let skip through his arm or the 3rd goal was honestly worse. Yeah he has the hardest job out of any player on the ice but he is awfully inconsistent. We can't have a starter who shows up once every 3 games. It's crazy that he has a respectable record because I feel like we would 100% be under .500 with all the games he jas started.

We banked way too much on Schmid. This season has been terrible for goaltending. All we need is NHL average and we are floating into the playoffs. Instead with the combination of what we have been given , all the young players injected into the lineup and Ruff still being the coach it's just a recipe for us to leak goals like we have done pretty much all season. Thankfully the coach and goaltending is pretty much a lock to be changed this offseason. The defensemen (Luke , Nemec , Bahl etc) hopefully will continue to develop from here on out. It's really not too much thier fault tonight when yoir goalie is easily your worst player.
 

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So I wasn't in the GDT for this game but LOL @ Vitek, LOL @ blendering lines a period into us thinking we finally got Jack with Toffoli/Holtz and LOL @ this f***ing season in a nutshell
 
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What a dolt, he has one of the best skating groups in the league and consistently f***s himself over. If your goalie can't make saves, why not change up how you play slightly so you come back more often than not?
I'm glad he said this though.... pressure is on Fitz to trade for a goalie. We know he's been trying and I'm sure the prices are too high... but it might be time to just pull the trigger. The goalie we've been rumored to be interested in is the reason why this team lost last night. Go get him.

Goaltending is an emergency that has to be addressed right now.
 

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I'm glad he said this though.... pressure is on Fitz to trade for a goalie. We know he's been trying and I'm sure the prices are too high... but it might be time to just pull the trigger. The goalie we've been rumored to be interested in is the reason why this team lost last night. Go get him.

Goaltending is an emergency that has to be addressed right now.

Nah, I have no interest in giving this team a life jacket of a big goalie trade especially Lindy. They haven't shown to be deserving of it, I mentioned Carolina and they're winning games despite of the deficiency. If they were in a similar boat then I would 100% make a trade for one.

This is currently an Ondrej Palat fan account till further notice. Leads our team in xGF% this season and has legit chemistry with Nico and Bratt.

Too bad we can't clone Nico so our 8.8M dollar man has someone to play with.

Timo will be fine with a new coach not giving him new linemates every 3-5 games next year hopefully
 

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Nah, I have no interest in giving this team a life jacket of a big goalie trade especially Lindy. They haven't shown to be deserving of it, I mentioned Carolina and they're winning games despite of the deficiency. If they were in a similar boat then I would 100% make a trade for one.



Timo will be fine with a new coach not giving him new linemates every 3-5 games next year hopefully

I hope so. The only person he seems to work with is Nico. Maybe they can try him and Palat with Nico and give Hughes, Bratt.

But that first line is one of the best analytically in the league so not sure I want to break it up.
 

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Jesus Christ. I didn't ask a question. I said that if you gave some critical thought about why other GM's of similar teams also having goalie problems haven't made a move, you'd figure out why ours hasn't either.

A good GM has to think not just in short term but in the long term. If the goalies available are not good or reliable enough to be worth the long-term cost it would take to acquire them, then a good GM is not going to make that deal. It's really not that f***ing complicated.

we are literally playing one of the worst goalies in the league the goalies that are available are absolutely literally better then him that is without a question. so the question is are the goalies available worth a late first and a prospect. if you and fitz dont think so then good lord wait til you see the ask for a top notch goalie lol

to the first bolded part you absolutely did ask me a question on the other gms not making a move lol. you ask i answered

but enough with the goalie talk you said what you think i said what i think it wont change it
 

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Do their actual goalies have a worse combined save percentage at this point?

As bad as our goaltending save percentage is, our team save percentage is somehow even lower because of how many empty net goals we've allowed this season. Which only got lower tonight.

This team rarely pulls the goalie this year without giving up an empty net goal.

It's not even like they pull the goalie and just can't tie it. We give up an empty net goal more times than not when we pull the goalie.
Stop you blame Vanacek 100% and then come back with this? Sorry Bleedred but you know the Devil's goalie history. This one is on Fitz but he didn't have a fix.
Vitek was never going to work out here again after the playoffs last year

Do I blame Fitz for not knowing that and recognizing it back then? No. It wasn't nearly for certain, but I do think he was doomed after that joke of a playoffs he had, where this collapse began.

He's probably been an .880% his last almost 40 games.
If you believe what you wrote, then why do you give Fitz a free ride? IMO Fitz knew what he had, and the fix wasn't there, too costly or too big a gamble.

With your knowledge of goaltending, why are you not speaking out about Schmid and Fitz's decision? Why are you not speaking out about Daws and Fitz's decision? Why are you not speaking out about the coach's utilization of goaltenders? Why are you not speaking out about the age of our defensemen? Why are you not speaking out about the coaching staff trying to win games with offense when you know that defense wins games, history repeats that over and over?

Bleedred, I know the answer. Because, You, look like a knowledgeable person shouting out the goalie's name to people that don't understand the complexities of the game.


I believe the answer is that Fitz didn't have an acceptable fix.

So as fans, it is easy to say Vitek Vanacek is at fault, without entertaining that Vanacek was never an NHL Starting Goalie, why does he have the job.

It is easy for some fans to not understand or accept that the goalie is only part of the defensive system designed to keep the puck out of the net.

Some people love the attention they get by shouting that Vanacek is to blame for the bad decisions by Fitz or the impossible decisions by Fitz. Those who don't understand that hockey is a TEAM sport and the goalie is only part of the team.

Defensemen take the longest to perfect their game vs. Offense men.

There is a balance of veteran defenseman and young defensemen. The Devils don't have the right balance. What teams play 3 young defensemen in a game, NONE. Young defensemen make mistakes. If you don't have a goalie to cover the mistake, then Goal Against.

The offense men need to play more defense when there is a weak goalie and defense but that doesn't happen with the Devils.

Much more of the blame put on Vanacek should be on the coaches.

Keep believing that if Vanacek was replaced with an average Starter that the Devils W-L record would improve by 50%. I don't believe that nor do the experts of NHL hockey. Then you will be blaming the backup goalies and soon you will be back to blaming the starter for the young defensemen and their mistakes or the coach's mistakes or that the offense doesn't play enough defense or the Devils are not a playoff team right now.
 
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We are getting the offense in sort of garbage time, or last ditch stuff. Even the SHG tonight was such an event. We get goals but it's when we get them that seem to bother me. There was another poster I think saying something similar as I left for home. Maybe theunseenhand?

We need goals to build up the positive jump, but we're getting goals alot as clawback goals to lessen the lead the other team has. We had moments, in tonight's game to really rally around and they had bad luck or bad execution. The goals that never were scored quickly flipped to VV bullshit sink goals allowed. It's more frustrating to me to see that rhythm that never builds to anything.



We had one line (scored all three goals) and Colin Miller last night. That’s it. That’s everyone who showed up.

Yes, we would have won with competent goaltending, but that does not mean they played a good game.

Nemec, Mercer, Hughes, Hughes, Meier, Marino, and the usual suspects all played like complete trash. Against a bad team.
 

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last nights loss is leading to meltdown city all across devils fandom. have to imagine something’s gotta change sooner than later while they’re pushing ticket renewals
 
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We had one line (scored all three goals) and Colin Miller last night. That’s it. That’s everyone who showed up.

Yes, we would have won with competent goaltending, but that does not mean they played a good game.

Nemec, Mercer, Hughes, Hughes, Meier, Marino, and the usual suspects all played like complete trash. Against a bad team.

These charts aren’t the end all be all. I thought Jack was pretty solid in his first game back. Wouldn’t say any of those guys were trash except Timo or Mercer but that’s just the norm for those guys this year.
 

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We had one line (scored all three goals) and Colin Miller last night. That’s it. That’s everyone who showed up.

Yes, we would have won with competent goaltending, but that does not mean they played a good game.

Nemec, Mercer, Hughes, Hughes, Meier, Marino, and the usual suspects all played like complete trash. Against a bad team.


You do realize that GameScore takes into account goals against, right? And that Vitek's trash play is showing up all over those stat lines? Some of those players did indeed play poorly, but just posting a graph like this and being like 'these guys were bad' is some real garbage.
 
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