Your biggest "Blew it" player predictions.

[NjDevsRR]

I absolutely destroyed Clarkson four seasons ago, called him another Tim Sestito/Rod Pelley lol.

 

[kiwidevil]

I think looking at only goals with Kovalchuk is a bit narrow minded too. His whole tenure with the Devils he seemed to want to be a passer rather than a shooter, especially the last two years.

His assist totals over the last few years have been very similar to Elias's, whom most consider to be our primary playmaker.

While it's great to think we will be better and won't miss Kovalchuk after the manner in which he left. The truth is even when he wasn't playing well, he drew a lot of attention from other teams defense. Then with the extra minutes he did play, may not have been offensively productive it made the other teams D play more also.

I am an optimist at heart and really hope this team will be very good, I think we are going into a real unknown next season. At times it really feels like an expansion team or something similar.

 

[JimEIV]

Anaheim: 2 behind Beauchamin or maybe 3.
Boston: 4 behind Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk
Buffalo: 3 behind Ehrhoff and Myers
Calgary: 2 behind Wideman
Carolina: 3 behind Gleason and Pitkannen, who is fading
Chicago: 4 or 5 behind Seabrook, Keith, Oduya, - a case could be made for Rozival or Leddy who is going to be good.
Colorado: 1. Erik Johnson is a stiff.
Columbus: 3 maybe 2. Jack Johnson. Wisniewski is tough to play against. Tyutin is good.
Dallas: 2 behind underrated Robidas - maybe Goligoski too.
Detroit: 2 behind Kronwall
Edmonton: 3 - I'd rather have Ference, JSchultz
Florida: 3 Campbell, Gumbrandson. Weaver is underrated too.
LA: 5 Doughty, Greene, Regehr, Voynov
Minn: 2 Suter
Habs: 4 Subban, Gorges, Markov
Preds: 2 Weber
Isles: 2 I'd rather have Hamonic or Visnasty.
Rags: 4 Staal, McDonough, Girardi
Ott: 4 Karlsson, Methot, Wiercioch. Maybe even Phillips
Flyers: 3 or 4 Streit (arguably) Timonen, Schenn
Yotes: 3 or 4 Yandle, Ek-Larsson . Can't figure Morris from year to year.
Pens: 4 Martin, Letang, Orpik. sorry, Greene isn't more of a force than any of them.
San Jose: 2 maybe 3. Boyle... then? Vlasic?
St Louis: 4 or 5 Boo, Pieterangelo, Shattenkirk. I like Jackman and Leopold's game, but they wouldn't play ahead of Greene.
Tampa: 3, maybe 4 Hedman, Carle. Brewer is ok. Salo is over the hill.
Toronto: 4? Phaneuf, Franson, Gunnarson. Gardiner? Liles?
Vancouver: 4 or 5? Bieksa, Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis
Washington: 2 after Green
Winnipeg: 4 after Byfuglien, Bogosian, Enstrom

I don't agree with a lot of that but even still, you have Greene 3 or better on 18 of 30 teams...

When you put guys like LA Greene, Jackman,Orpik or Regher above Andy, I don't know? I think that is just way off.... just

 

[TaiMaiShu]

Pointless, you're just rattling off names without much thought. Might as well look up NHL 13 stats. For this team and our collection of meh defenseman, Andy Greene is an exceptional commodity. First off, we ARE asking a lot of our defenseman these days and we are seeing one trick ponies like Volchy failing, badly. You point out guys that can put up decentl point totals, but can't be trusted in all game situations.


Andy Greene has proven that he can handle all game situations, and hold his own against the top lines around the league, for the most part. Being the jack of all trades talent with great hockey sense is something all GM's would salivate over. I don't see how he doesn't fit as a perfect second pairing guy.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I don't agree with a lot of that but even still, you have Greene 3 or better on 17 of 30 teams...

When you put guys like LA Greene, Jackman,Orpik or Regher above Andy, I don't know? I think that is just way off.... just

I said he was 4 or worse on about 7-12 - that's all I said. I listed him on 4 or under on 13.

Taking the time to type was one thing - I wasn't going to do my masters thesis on it. I couldn't quite put Jackman ahead of Greene, so I didn't. I stand by Orpik, though. The guy is noticeable in almost every game as a rugged Dman who can hit, block shots and clear the crease. If I have Greene or him as a choice for a healthy scratch, I put Orpik in. Maybe you are right on LA Greene and Regehr.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Pointless, you're just rattling off names without much thought. Might as well look up NHL 13 stats. For this team and our collection of meh defenseman, Andy Greene is an exceptional commodity. First off, we ARE asking a lot of our defenseman these days and we are seeing one trick ponies like Volchy failing, badly. You point out guys that can put up decentl point totals, but can't be trusted in all game situations.


Andy Greene has proven that he can handle all game situations, and hold his own against the top lines around the league, for the most part. Being the jack of all trades talent with great hockey sense is something all GM's would salivate over. I don't see how he doesn't fit as a perfect second pairing guy.

You're right that I didn't spend a year thinking about it - but I think the names I listed are mostly reasonable. I didn't go by just points or there would be another 20+ names up there that outscored Greene.

He's a decent d-man but I would never use the word exceptional when talking about him. I thought a 4 on most teams. Looks like by my listing he'd be a 3 on most teams as Jim suggests.

Edit: Of the names I rattled off - Who would you expect to trade straight up for Greene?

 

[Nubmer6]

My worst prediction by far was thinking Brodeur would never amount to anything. I mean... what the heck was he doing coming so far out of the net to play the puck? Did he think he was Ron Hextall or something?

 

[billingtons ghost]

For some reason I thought Vadim Sharifjanov was going to be good too.

 

[TrufleShufle]

can someone fill me in on what this debate is about.

we have done Gionta, Zajac, Loki, a little teddy/yayo, the value brought by Kovy/Clarkson, and many others. i was always keen on what the argument was and who was on what side, but i can not for the life of me figure out who is arguing what point here.

Greene is good or Greene is bad. or is it Greene is good for the devils or isn't. or Greene is good for the Devils system but bad for others. Or is it Greene would be top pairing on only Devils or top pairing on 3 out of the 30 teams or 7/30 or 17/30 or 25/30 etc.. or he would be only 2nd pairing out of x amount of teams, or he wouldn't make the roster on the New York Yankees...

i am not going to jump into this fight for a few reasons, but for lurking purposes can someone please fill me in on what the actual debate is...

 

[BenedictGomez]

Jeff Finger got a big contract. I guess hes better than Andy Greene.

Well, his agent certainly is.

This board has become more about an argument to see how **** all our players are.

Interesting opinion you have; there might be something to that.

people come up with ridiculously outlandish opinions that if a Ranger fan came here with, it would be labeled trolling.

You mean, like when they say that Andy Greene is a franchise player that you can build an entire NHL team around?

who argued that Greene was a #1 on every team in the league?

not one person

THIS.

How does an argument about "A" become an argument about "Ω".

If you think Andy Greene is the main reason behind the Devils' ability to limit opponent scoring, you are maniacal. If you don't think our forwards' commitment to defense, a coaching staff and general team commitment to playing the D side of the game first aren't the main factor, you must have just started watching Devils hockey.

Probably the best post in this thread.

 

[JerryGigantic]

MDZ is clearly > Andy Greene, and he's ONLY 23 years old!

Girardi played 26+ minutes per game last year AND the year before; most on the entire team. Torts trusted him more than anyone and beat the guy like a rented mule. If Greene is better than him, I dont think anyone can objectively say it's by much.

Greene would be a #5 on the Rangers, IMO. A #4 if you honestly believe he's better than Girardi I suppose.

MDZ is a borderline bust, was trade bait until Staal got hit in the eye.

But Girardi is better than Greene IMO. More physical and a major minutes eater.

 

[JerryGigantic]

Points are how we look at Dmen right ???

Streit is better than Greene, and not just because of points. He is a much tougher dude. Take him 100 times out of 100.

 

[JerryGigantic]

Mark Streit is frickin ****, straight up trash. The Islanders defense was not that good while he was there. I cringed every time someone would say ''We should trade for Streit'' ugh.

Okay. You are enthusiastic with your opinion, which is something.

But I would think their "not that good" defense was to blame more on the other 5 defensemen they had that were not as good.

 

[JerryGigantic]

And that's perfectly reasonable. It's the people saying he's a #5-6-healthy scratch defenseman on any team other than the Devils that are being unreasonable. People do realize the Devils LED THE LEAGUE in fewest shots allowed this season? And Greene is a huge part of that defense?



Garrison's presence was a factor in our playoff series though. That goes back to the point where yes, Garrison's an asset because he's so dangerous but that doesn't make him a good defenseman per se. He may be a more valuable player simply because few defensemen have a 100+ MPH shot that can hit the net consistently but it's not like Florida was playing great against us in their non-PP time though. Garrison's a major asset on the PP, everywhere else not so much. It's tough to compare a guy like him to a guy like Greene, it's apples to oranges.

Garrison was getting healthy scratched at times, was often getting 5/6 minutes.

He just scored at will against us, so we kinda noticed that.

But in this fun comparison game, despite the porn shot, Andy Greene is better than Garrison by a wide margin.

 

[JerryGigantic]

I personally would call him a 3/4...but I wish we could stop attributing the shots against soley to the defense...

NJ's forwards and scheme play a significant role in the overall defense, without that these defensemen would be exposed.

Yes and yes. Listen to the fisherman.

 

[JerryGigantic]

I'm pretty sure Garrison averaged more minutes than Greene this season but I'm not positive on that.

I recall not, but not the numbers guy on these here boards. Just recall how he was used with my suspect noggin.

 

[JimEIV]

I recall not, but not the numbers guy on these here boards. Just recall how he was used with my suspect noggin.

I was wrong on that.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I was wrong on that.

hes trying to catch up on this epic debate, he will get there.

 

[JerryGigantic]

I was wrong on that.

I pretty much am aligned with your view on Andy. A solid 3 on all but the elite teams in the league.

But our sexy goals against numbers are because of players like Zajac as much as any of the D.

 

[JerryGigantic]

But he is significantly better than "specialist" types like Garrison (or our own Zids, for instance.)

 

[JerryGigantic]

hes trying to catch up on this epic debate, he will get there.

I've arrived, my brothers.

 

[BenedictGomez]

But he is significantly better than "specialist" types like Garrison (or our own Zids, for instance.)

Garrison is slated to make $6.5 Million next year.

But sure, your hockey valuation is much better than GM Mike Gillis.

REALLY?

Is this board REALLY having this debate?

It's honestly necessary to debate that in some ulterior universe Andy Greene is better than Jason Garrison?

 

[JerryGigantic]

Back to the OP, for Schlitz and giggles, I'll throw out a name for the old timers out there.

Greg Adams. When he arrived on the Devils he had one signature move that seemingly nobody could handle, and could score at will with it. Sort of a toe-drag spin-o-rama thing.

I thought he was going to be a freaking superstar.

Then after once around the league, everyone figured it out. Kind of like the Clark-around.

And he never really progressed past being an average offensive player after that, never found an encore.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Garrison is slated to make $6.5 Million next year.

But sure, your hockey valuation is much better than GM Mike Gillis.

REALLY?

Is this board REALLY having this debate?

It's honestly necessary to debate that in some ulterior universe Andy Greene is better than Jason Garrison?

there is literally 257 different debates going on right now around the same topic, Andy Greene, i just want to know the core debate.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

I don't care how much money Garrison makes. Hes not that good. He's had ONE good 82 game season in his entire career and most of those goals came on the powerplay or at least against us they did. He overachieved that year much like his whole team. Hes a poor mans Souray. Hes not a better all around defensemen than Greene.