Post-Game Talk: Young Ducks beat Jets 4-1

[Atoyot]

Yeah once the game slows.down for him watch out. If hes allowed to adapt I think you see what happened on the Moose where after about 10 to 15 games it clicked and he took off.

He needs to be on the PP and he needs more ice time then he got tonight.

He's not getting pushed around, which was my biggest concern. Even against Calgary in that final game, while much larger players like Harkins and Scheifele were getting pushed around, he never got pushed around. I see a lot of Stastny in his game, but as we've discussed, there's some Crosby in there as well with his low center of gravity and anticipation.

 

[surixon]

He's not getting pushed around, which was my biggest concern. Even against Calgary in that final game, while much larger players like Harkins and Scheifele were getting pushed around, he never got pushed around. I see a lot of Stastny in his game, but as we've discussed, there's some Crosby in there as well with his low center of gravity and anticipation.

Agreed for a 19 year old kid he's strong on pucks and doesn't get knocked off it easily. That along with his smarts and instincts off of it will make his coach happy.

He has some good mentors on the team in Paul in terms of showing him how to play a strong all around cerebral game. I also think Mark is a good mentor in terms of ay through the nz and in the offensive end with the puck.

The question becomes how does the org approach his development this year. While early we may very well need his offense this year if the wheels fall off Blake and Paul.

 

[BrokerD]

So you're saying he is not worth the $10m in salary he gets this season?

The years left at 8.25M is gonna hurt. It’s just sad how quickly his speed/power game has diminished.

 

[tbcwpg]

Wheeler was pretty bad tonight but he is a notoriously slow starter. This stuff has been said for years in PGTs for the first month or so and then he seems to pick up the play.

 

[surixon]

I thought there were also major issues in how we deployed our 1st PP unit tonight and given how many pp's we got it likely played a big role in ourack of offense.

It seems to me the plan is to run the exact same scheme as last year where the major points of attack are through a Conner one timer either through seam pass or point pass or the slot shot to Dubois through down low or half board pass. Our top unit is not set up to utilize a point shot with a double layer screen so I found it absolutely baffling that Lowry was out there. He served zero purpose and his lack of skill negated our ability to our down low to slot shot play (Pretty much our second most used play on that unit last year)

Another thing if we are trying to tee up Conner we need a LS at the point to make that pass easier. As it was we spent too much time teeing up RS Wheeler and well he has pee shooter of a shot now and isn't beating any goalie with his one timer.

I get Mark was out of the lineup but it just seems Moe defaulted to seniority instead of actually putting any thought into utilizing the best prices in order to have the unit accomplish what you wanted it to accomplish.

Really Perfetti should have been in for Lowry and Perfetti should have been on the HB position with Wheeler down low like last year. Having it set up like that allows for the down low to slot pass that Blake was good at last year. Perfetti shredded the AHL from that HB spot on the PP last year and knows how to open the seam/slot pass as well as he has a great shot that he can walk in and use.

I just thought that was an area of poor coaching/player utilization last night.

 

[tbcwpg]

I thought there were also major issues in how we deployed our 1st PP unit tonight and given how many pp's we got it likely played a big role in ourack of offense.

It seems to me the plan is to run the exact same scheme as last year where the major points of attack are through a Conner one timer either through seam pass or point pass or the slot shot to Dubois through down low or half board pass. Our top unit is not set up to utilize a point shot with a double layer screen so I found it absolutely baffling that Lowry was out there. He served zero purpose and his lack of skill negated our ability to our down low to slot shot play (Pretty much our second most used play on that unit last year)

Another thing if we are trying to tee up Conner we need a LS at the point to make that pass easier. As it was we spent too much time teeing up RS Wheeler and well he has pee shooter of a shot now and isn't beating any goalie with his one timer.

I get Mark was out of the lineup but it just seems Moe defaulted to seniority instead of actually putting any thought into utilizing the best prices in order to have the unit accomplish what you wanted it to accomplish.

Really Perfetti should have been in for Lowry and Perfetti should have been on the HB position with Wheeler down low like last year. Having it set up like that allows for the down low to slot pass that Blake was good at last year. Perfetti shredded the AHL from that HB spot on the PP last year and knows how to open the seam/slot pass as well as he has a great shot that he can walk in and use.

I just thought that was an area of poor coaching/player utilization last night.

Player utilization has long been a weak point of Maurice. One only has to look back to injured top pairing Beaulieu last season to see that.

I see all the time that Maurice was "outcoached". No he isn't. He's not usually losing because the other team is doing something creative while he has no answer for it. Tonight he wasn't "outcoached" by Dallas Eakins, he just got his combos wrong and it led to an ineffective PP, which combined with a poor 1st period from Hellebuyck, sapped any momentum the strong 1st period had.

 

[None]

Player utilization has long been a weak point of Maurice. One only has to look back to injured top pairing Beaulieu last season to see that.

I see all the time that Maurice was "outcoached". No he isn't. He's not usually losing because the other team is doing something creative while he has no answer for it. Tonight he wasn't "outcoached" by Dallas Eakins, he just got his combos wrong and it led to an ineffective PP, which combined with a poor 1st period from Hellebuyck, sapped any momentum the strong 1st period had.

I think there's an inherent risk aversion in his decisions even if the style of play has changed.

 

[raideralex99]

I'm not worried about this team ... they play like this 9 out of 10 times they win.
I think this is the first Jets loss that I'm not upset.
As far as I'm concern the only negative ... Wheeler is not worth $8.25 million.
You knew it was going to happen after the announcers were talking about how the Ducks PP broken the record for the worst ever PP (9%) and only scoring 3 PP goals all season last year at home ... they score on their first two PP going 2/2 with 2 defections.
One thing that really impressed me and would not mine seeing more of is Connor and Ehlers on the same line. I didn't think it would work but the one shift when they were both on the ice they made the Ducks look like a pee wee team.
I still think the Jets can go 6-1-1 for the month of October.

 

[Jets 31]

Gibson played good, Helly needed to be better. Every time this team is without Scheifele they can't score goals, Scheifele is so important to the success of this team because the guy is so good. Lets destroy San Jose Saturday with Scheifele back. Scheifele, Connor and Ehlers should be our 1st line, Wheeler should be 2nd line and put Copp back where he belongs, the 3rd line.

 

[BigZ65]

Tonight is what I fear with this roster…no finish. Lots of playmakers, no finishers aside from Connor and 55. Also our best guys don’t often play together. We can spend all night in the O zone and come away with basically nothing. Then we get sloppy at our own net…oh right we need to defend even though we just had a 7 shot PP.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

The power play was useless, penalty killing was useless, and our goalie wasn't that good. Just a disappointing game. We made Gibson look good - he didn't have many difficult saves - we shot right at him for the most part.

 

[leer2006]

Player utilization has long been a weak point of Maurice. One only has to look back to injured top pairing Beaulieu last season to see that.

I see all the time that Maurice was "outcoached". No he isn't. He's not usually losing because the other team is doing something creative while he has no answer for it. Tonight he wasn't "outcoached" by Dallas Eakins, he just got his combos wrong and it led to an ineffective PP, which combined with a poor 1st period from Hellebuyck, sapped any momentum the strong 1st period had.

Isn’t what you are saying the very definition of being outcoached? Line combos are a part of coaching are they not?
There is no excuse for poor execution. They had a full training camp this year. The Jet’s should be good to go.

 

[BigZ65]

And Ehlers is our #5 TOI forward still. National media mention him in the same sentence as “Hart” but our coach won’t give him top line.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I never take anything away from the first five games of the season. No one is in stride.

Special teams or puck luck; nothing else was a factor last night.

I don't want to harp on Blake either, I'm also at the age where I fall down every time I try to skate and shoot at the same time.

 

[kylbaz]

We all knew wheeler would decline and be overpaid, but its Maurices job to come to terms with that and stop treating him like a superstar and take away some minutes.

 

[Neuf]

Bucky - poor game
Ehlers - best skater on the team again
PLD - invisible other than that awesome pass, not sure if good or bad
Perfetti - belongs
Copp - not top 6
Svech - glad he made the team
Wheeler - awful from first whistle

Overalli liked the defense zone clearing passes, but really disliked their defensive play. Anaheim walked right in constantly.

 

[ocdaddy]

We all knew wheeler would decline and be overpaid, but its Maurices job to come to terms with that and stop treating him like a superstar and take away some minutes.

Wonder how much of this contributed to Laine's exit.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Wonder how much of this contributed to Laine's exit.

where does one buy a confusion corner t-shirt and do they come in "not green"?

 

[Whileee]

I thought there were also major issues in how we deployed our 1st PP unit tonight and given how many pp's we got it likely played a big role in ourack of offense.

It seems to me the plan is to run the exact same scheme as last year where the major points of attack are through a Conner one timer either through seam pass or point pass or the slot shot to Dubois through down low or half board pass. Our top unit is not set up to utilize a point shot with a double layer screen so I found it absolutely baffling that Lowry was out there. He served zero purpose and his lack of skill negated our ability to our down low to slot shot play (Pretty much our second most used play on that unit last year)

Another thing if we are trying to tee up Conner we need a LS at the point to make that pass easier. As it was we spent too much time teeing up RS Wheeler and well he has pee shooter of a shot now and isn't beating any goalie with his one timer.

I get Mark was out of the lineup but it just seems Moe defaulted to seniority instead of actually putting any thought into utilizing the best prices in order to have the unit accomplish what you wanted it to accomplish.

Really Perfetti should have been in for Lowry and Perfetti should have been on the HB position with Wheeler down low like last year. Having it set up like that allows for the down low to slot pass that Blake was good at last year. Perfetti shredded the AHL from that HB spot on the PP last year and knows how to open the seam/slot pass as well as he has a great shot that he can walk in and use.

I just thought that was an area of poor coaching/player utilization last night.

Also, setting Wheeler up for the one-timer was pretty laughable.

 

[GaryPoppins]

I liked the games of Ehlers, PLD and KC……….who would of thought missing your 1C would hurt the team. Glad Mark is back next game.

*PITTS PENGUINS HAVE ENTERED THE CHAT*

 

[surixon]

Also, setting Wheeler up for the one-timer was pretty laughable.

Yeah, not a lot of thought by our coaches there last night. I get that Mark is likely operating in that spot but if he's not available then you need to bring in the next best man for the job, not put your captain with a muffin of a shot there and expect decent results...

 

[Jack7222]

Stanley was atrocious. Had like 3 turnovers at one point in a 20 second sequence. Need him to be better.

Lowry and PLD were completely uninvolved in PP1. Only Wheeler, Pionk, Connor touched the puck on that unit.

Really good game by Connor even ignoring the goal. The ducks broadcast was praising his backchecks.

Corsi will be misleading for this game, the Jets were no way near as dominant as their Corsi would make them look. Too many shots from the outside, not enough going to the dirty areas. While what Copp did running Gibson was not very smart, it was still the right idea to go to the scoring areas.

Morrissey/Schmidt pairing looked good.

PLD had 5 games without Scheifele and anyone who was saying that he would supplant Scheif as our 1 C by March of this year can safely put that notion to rest. I would be glad if he can hit 50 points, I am not confident he can even do that.

This is the take I agree with the most.

People were praising Dubois like crazy this game but I'm not sure about him. He's fast, physical, aggressive, knows where to be offensively, good on boards... but I can't understand how a guy who went 3rd overall and had great numbers the past 3 years can look like he has poor stickhandling. The number of times the guy pushes the puck too far in front of himself or looks like he loses control of what he's doing is just... weird. Hoping for improvement from him as the season goes on.

Very happy to see Connor looking good and Morrissey looking good.

Schmidt looks awesome offensively but definitely has a few warts in the d zone. Maybe he'll iron that out.

Edit: and re: 2nd line, I feel that with Dubois there to play the fast and physical game with Ehlers, Copp is really a third wheel there. I'd love to see more speed and scoring to add to that line. Dubois and Copp together just doesn't seem to work.

 

[ulf]

To tired to watch this 1 st game to the end.

Jets top 6 is weak with Wheeler Copp Stats.
Bottom 9 doesn’t have the replacement players to play top 6 short of Perfetti and that might be early.
Hard gritty tempo setting forward in top 9 still needed.
Not even DeMelo could make Stanley look good.
Schiefele will make a huge difference on protecting Wheeler and PP#1

 

[rubikscube]

Helle wasn't sharp to start the season.

The Jets played keep away like 50% of the game. In the first 10 minutes Dubois walks down mainstreet, misses a goal by an inch, sets up Ehlers in the slot, Ehlers gets robbed. Didn't capitalize on the PP even though they had good looks.
Gibson played lights out.

The Jets were clearly the better team. Whatever. Got goalie'd. Play like that every night and they're fighting for the top of the division

 

[tbcwpg]

Isn’t what you are saying the very definition of being outcoached? Line combos are a part of coaching are they not?
There is no excuse for poor execution. They had a full training camp this year. The Jet’s should be good to go.

I guess if you want to argue semantics - to me, being outcoached means that the other coach did something with his team selection or strategy to counter what you did purposely and you being unable to adapt. One easy example would be how Maurice adapted their backcheck strategy in the first round last year to keep McDavid and Draisaitl in check, something that Tippett could not answer.

Carrying most of the play all night and losing because of some iffy goals against and not tying up sticks in the lane on the PK doesn't say to me that Eakins had some master scheme to frustrate the Jets and Maurice couldn't adapt. Just losing the game doesn't mean being outcoached.

If anything, Maurice outcoaches himself with his line selection at times.