Post-Game Talk: YOLO and HNY HFOIL

[rboomercat90]

The old system of 1 ref and no control center seemed to function much better?

It sure did. The reason for that was because there was only 1 guy and he was responsible for everything that happened in the game and accountable for it. He even had his name on the back of his sweater.
That old system is clearly not what the league wants. They prefer two referees and a team of faceless and nameless off-ice officials determining games with nobody knowing who is responsible for anything. It’s not that hard to figure out why.

 

[subnet]

Great win to close out the year. Happy 2025 Oiler friends!

Who are you calling old!!!! Hehe (yeah I resemble that remark )

 

[subnet]

Unfortunately, I don't take very much of what Louie says very seriously anymore.

You mean hearing about an opponent having a ‘shooting mentality’ or ‘is this going to count’ , ad naseum, doesn’t have you on edge, lol?

 

[subnet]

Who are you calling old!!!! Hehe (yeah I resemble that remark )

Lol. I’m quoting myself, I thought you said ‘old friends’ haha.

 

[BertMcDrai]

Happy new year...let's start a run and put some W`s together.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Finished December 9-3-1, things to clean up and always room to improve, but a solid month from this team.

Man you wouldn’t have believed it this time last week from the tone in this joint

 

[JordanGalhanth]

You mean hearing about an opponent having a ‘shooting mentality’ or ‘is this going to count’ , ad naseum, doesn’t have you on edge, lol?

And again, Jack. Oh Jack.

Pretty much every single goal call last night was tarnished by some unrelated tangent beforehand. Not to mention that his penchant for cheesy clichés instead of a simple "he scores" (tucks it home, deflected in, upstairs, finishes it off) is absolutely grating to listen to.

 

[Throttlehead]

It sure did. The reason for that was because there was only 1 guy and he was responsible for everything that happened in the game and accountable for it. He even had his name on the back of his sweater.
That old system is clearly not what the league wants. They prefer two referees and a team of faceless and nameless off-ice officials determining games with nobody knowing who is responsible for anything. It’s not that hard to figure out why.

Well thats a bit of a conspiratorial take on things The way I see it is with 2 refs on the ice seem to be in the way a lot and they miss just as many calls as they did in 3 man system. If anything they plug one in a box at centre ice, he'd see just as much. It's time they scraped the insanity of offside review, its insanity and it slows down the game way too much. Does it really make a difference if a player is 1/2 inch offside? They implemented the rule because a linesman was sleeping and missed an offside by 3 feet, they rarely missed them. Sometimes in an effort to make things better you actually make things worse, this is the case with reviewable offside.

 

[tardigrade81]

Happy new year...let's start a run and put some W`s together.

Happy new year!

Ducks Friday. I smell revenge

 

[Stoneman89]

Happy new year!

Ducks Friday. I smell revenge

There better be significant revenge. They ran our show pretty good last Sunday and we owe them a punch in the mouth.

Horrible how dare he only have a 6 game scoring streak and 8 game pt streak

Those streaks were great but they ended a while ago. He hasn't done a whole lot for a few games now. But hey, the past is great.

 

[Stoneman89]

And he's on Brown streak with points so why not?

Brown has been playing well, no doubt. But he is.......Brown. I suspect Hyman will be back up there shortly after his mini reset.

Posters sadly do have lives and they actually have lives away from this site. Sadly I am at work and well--this is always a good place to kill time

 

[K1984]

There better be significant revenge. They ran our show pretty good last Sunday and we owe them a punch in the mouth.


Those streaks were great but they ended a while ago. He hasn't done a whole lot for a few games now. But hey, the past is great.

Oh no he only has 2 assists the last three games and no goals in the three game stretch for the first time since mid-November.

The horror.

 

[McTonyBrar]

High danger chances were 13-5 for the Oilers. Skinner was good enough but the Oilers were the better defensive team tonight.

Kapanen, Janmark, RNH and Perry all struggled tonight. Mainly because Kapanen and Janmark were garbage together. Rest of the lines were good but we might see some changes with those two.

Kapanen and Nurse were the only Oilers to register a hit (2 each) for only 4 hits on the njght. I wouldn't be surprised if we target a depth forward who likes to hit.

Stetcher and Emberson struggled a bit but should be fine as our 6/7. We definitely need someone else to fill that 4/5 hole.

Can’t we just say Skinner and the defence were good lol?

 

[Stoneman89]

Oh no he only has 2 assists the last three games and no goals in the three game stretch for the first time since mid-November.

The horror.

Lol, he moved down a couple lines for ONE game. Didn't get sent to the gulag in Russia. People need to relax, holy shit.

 

[K1984]

Lol, he moved down a couple lines for ONE game. Didn't get sent to the gulag in Russia. People need to relax, holy shit.

I’m not at all upset or perturbed going down to the third line for a game.

Just pointing out the absurdity of your assertion he’s been playing bad or something.

 

[Stoneman89]

I’m not at all upset or perturbed going down to the third line for a game.

Just pointing out the absurdity of your assertion he’s been playing bad or something.

Do you think he's been playing well the last three games? A couple secondary assists on the PP where McDavid and Drai are featured. Your over the top statements relating to it have been the only thing that's been absurd.

 

[K1984]

Do you think he's been playing well the last three games? Your over the top statements relating to it have been the only thing that's been absurd.

Accurately pointing out the fact that he has 2 assists in the last three games and that it’s his first 3 game stretch without a goal in month in a half is over the top?

Apologies for thinking he deserves a little more rope before we declare he’s playing bad (hint - he isn’t).

 

[Stoneman89]

Accurately pointing out the fact that he has 2 assists in the last three games and that it’s his first 3 game stretch without a goal in month in a half is over the top?

Apologies for thinking he deserves a little more rope before we declare he’s playing bad (hint - he isn’t).

I didn't move him down the lineup, the coach did. Get over it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

only caught glimpses of the game but it looked like a professional and efficient win....the Stu Skinner crying kept to a minimum until the next goal he gives up

here to an Oiler Stanley Cup in 2025!

 

[K1984]

I didn't move him down the lineup, the coach did. Get over it.

And I never commented on that at all other than to say I didn’t think it was a problem at all.

Read better.

only caught glimpses of the game but it looked like a professional and efficient win....the Stu Skinner crying kept to a minimum until the next goal he gives up

here to an Oiler Stanley Cup in 2025!

The encouraging thing is I thought the first was a little sloppy and a little uneven, but they adjusted themselves and came out strong in the second through to the end of the game.

Not a 10/10 game, but one where they self corrected and got it done.

 

[Stoneman89]

And I never commented on that at all other than to say I didn’t think it was a problem at all.

Read better.



The encouraging thing is I thought the first was a little sloppy and a little uneven, but they adjusted themselves and came out strong in the second through to the end of the game.

Not a 10/10 game, but one where they self corrected and got it done.

I stated my opinion, and we can agree to disagree. Seems like you want to argue about it, but I'm moving on. In the spirit of the season, have a Happy New Year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Well thats a bit of a conspiratorial take on things The way I see it is with 2 refs on the ice seem to be in the way a lot and they miss just as many calls as they did in 3 man system. If anything they plug one in a box at centre ice, he'd see just as much. It's time they scraped the insanity of offside review, its insanity and it slows down the game way too much. Does it really make a difference if a player is 1/2 inch offside? They implemented the rule because a linesman was sleeping and missed an offside by 3 feet, they rarely missed them. Sometimes in an effort to make things better you actually make things worse, this is the case with reviewable offside.

Doesn't have to be conspiratorial. Any org that positions jurisdiction decisions anonymously is doing that for that expressed reason. No conspiracy, just dynamic. Removing ones name from responsibility removes accountability. Also of course limits feedback.

In anycase the war room even with 10 camera angles to look at remains inconsistent, frequently makes decisions that seem not borne out by the video, and its apparent that the general quality of decisions has not been increased.

Another thing that is almost always a byproduct of video review is that things that were formerly allowed realtime are now subject to ridiculous offside calls on the slightest margins and often taking 5mins or more to peruse. With these offsides often being 30 or more secs before a goal. I'd prefer that only obvious instances were called back not the inch here and there that seems to be the case now. The players play the game in real time. To me a zone entry that is really close to onside is a proper play made in real time and allowed in realtime by the officials. To overturn that is a degree of precision that human players don't possess. So that its just taking away goals and reasonably good plays. Really to me it makes sense that if it takes 10 views of different angles to determine something is offside that it must be close enough to eventually be deemed passable. At some point the process just becomes looking for the slightest blade or puck fraction offside. When its too close to call, and many of the offsides are, the default should just be accepting the goal.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Good professional result by the Oilers last night doing enough to W and the game was never really in doubt. That said Utah are horrible and NHL has some real problems in quality of play and parity even despite the draft. Seems like so many teams now in a 32 team NHL are bad, and that so many players on clubs, that are established are not going all out in these games and perhaps especially around holiday season. Overall these are just not quality games. You can see the same players playing well whether it be McD, Drai, or Ekholm but on Utah really it was hardly anybody. When pro teams can't even do basic things on a PP, can't even establish in zone it makes you wonder.

This might be framed too in how awful Canada has looked in the world Juniors. Its among the most inept and offensively incapable Canada junior side I've ever seen. That US were going to W yesterday seemed inevitable and I don't blame it on any officiating. I only mention this as the sum of flipping between games was really an underwhelming look at hockey. Canada would be being embarassed further in this tournament without George in net.

 

[dssource]

Nice win. Happy New Year everyone!

 

[RegDunlop]

Doesn't have to be conspiratorial. Any org that positions jurisdiction decisions anonymously is doing that for that expressed reason. No conspiracy, just dynamic. Removing ones name from responsibility removes accountability. Also of course limits feedback.

In anycase the war room even with 10 camera angles to look at remains inconsistent, frequently makes decisions that seem not borne out by the video, and its apparent that the general quality of decisions has not been increased.

Another thing that is almost always a byproduct of video review is that things that were formerly allowed realtime are now subject to ridiculous offside calls on the slightest margins and often taking 5mins or more to peruse. With these offsides often being 30 or more secs before a goal. I'd prefer that only obvious instances were called back not the inch here and there that seems to be the case now. The players play the game in real time. To me a zone entry that is really close to onside is a proper play made in real time and allowed in realtime by the officials. To overturn that is a degree of precision that human players don't possess. So that its just taking away goals and reasonably good plays. Really to me it makes sense that if it takes 10 views of different angles to determine something is offside that it must be close enough to eventually be deemed passable. At some point the process just becomes looking for the slightest blade or puck fraction offside. When its too close to call, and many of the offsides are, the default should just be accepting the goal.

I actually applaud the linesman. Since video introduced I am astonished by how many close calls they get right. Unlike referees. It's ridiculous to keep these reviews going. Supposed to be a sport with human emotion, interaction, and imperfect performance, not video or computer generated outcomes.