Yeah Sullivan Sucks, but Dubas needs to be talked about too...

[BusinessGoose]

Do you just hate enjoying sports? All that's missing is the Cleveland Browns and maybe the Washington Wizzards.

It's gotta be me
I'm the common denominator

 

[eXile3]

Can argue all day between who was worse between Dubas and Hextall but there’s no way to spin the McCann handling as anything less than another unforced error that had a meaningful impact to get us where we are.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah, all told, JR ran a much better shop than I gave him credit for at the time, even if he made some dumb decisions. More precisely he absolutely did not botch the Vegas expansion draft and brought in 2 Cups.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah, all told, JR ran a much better shop than I gave him credit for at the time, even if he made some dumb decisions. More precisely he absolutely did not botch the Vegas expansion draft and brought in 2 Cups.

I think a thing JR didn't get enough credit for is how he was able to consistently add young talent to the team, even though their prospect pool stunk. JR constantly added guys like Kapanen, McCann, Marino, Pettersson and such to the NHL team and got significant contributions out of young players. Hextall actively traded away young players on their roster and Dubas hasn't added any young players either.

I have a feeling that this team would still be a playoff team had JR never left, probably not a great one but still a playoff team. He would have found out ways to add young talent to the NHL team, even if the deals would have been stupid.

 

[Pens x]

I think a thing JR didn't get enough credit for is how he was able to consistently add young talent to the team, even though their prospect pool stunk. JR constantly added guys like Kapanen, McCann, Marino, Pettersson and such to the NHL team and got significant contributions out of young players. Hextall actively traded away young players on their roster and Dubas hasn't added any young players either.

I have a feeling that this team would still be a playoff team had JR never left, probably not a great one but still a playoff team. He would have found out ways to add young talent to the NHL team, even if the deals would have been stupid.

But but but we wouldnt have a plethora of mid draft picks in 2029.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, all told, JR ran a much better shop than I gave him credit for at the time, even if he made some dumb decisions. More precisely he absolutely did not botch the Vegas expansion draft and brought in 2 Cups.

I mean to be fair, he paid Vegas a 2nd to take MAF.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I mean to be fair, he paid Vegas a 2nd to take MAF.

Yeah but it was a second, not a first to take on 10 million of anti-Sullivanrsque player in EK65.

I dunno, JR had some dumbass moments but Dubas has been far far worse so far. I underestimated how bad it could be.

Also since I am banned from the lineup thread for reasons unknown, might as well comment here: at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if Puustinen doesn’t work out, but keeping a cheap player like him up and waiving more expensive player to at least eat part of the cap hit would be the smarter move, given that all of our players and coaches are big nothings.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Yeah but it was a second, not a first to take on 10 million of anti-Sullivanrsque player in EK65.

I dunno, JR had some dumbass moments but Dubas has been far far worse so far. I underestimated how bad it could be.

Also since I am banned from the lineup thread for reasons unknown, might as well comment here: at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if Puustinen doesn’t work out, but keeping a cheap player like him up and waiving more expensive player to at least eat part of the cap hit would be the smarter move, given that all of our players and coaches are big nothings.

No doubt. If there is no difference between player X and player Y, you keep the cheaper one.
It's sad that obvious things can't be obvious with this clownshow of a franchise

 

[The Old Master]

No doubt. If there is no difference between player X and player Y, you keep the cheaper one.
It's sad that obvious things can't be obvious with this clownshow of a franchise

or younger one.

 

[edog37]

What is Hextall responsible for on this team?

The Rust and Rakell contracts? I mean, every team that tried to contend has those.

Outside of that he's really had no effect on the current roster and it's underachieving. It's just weird we have to default to blame him every single time someone says Dubas sucks.

Every issue with this team is on Dubas.

If anything the youth Hextall drafted seems to be decent enough to fill some of the gaps if Dubas had actually accurately built the team when he was hired instead of signing and trading for a bunch more 30 year olds and giving Graves and Jarry huge term.

He spent the first offseason doing that, & all of last year acquiring future talent. He brought in guys to immediately try & compete per ownership direction. That didn’t work so he quickly pivoted.

It’s very clear a lot of guys on this forum have never been through a down cycle with this team.

Dubas struck out swinging for the fences

And he needs to fix it.. Badly

But we haven't had a good GM since like first 3 years of JR

That’s precisely what he’s doing. Why do you think he’s stockpiling picks?

 

[HandshakeLine]

*Looks at the reg dates* oh yes, of course.

Anyhow, much more to a rebuild than "stockpiling picks" but we'll start with the basics I guess.

 

[BusinessGoose]

He spent the first offseason doing that, & all of last year acquiring future talent. He brought in guys to immediately try & compete per ownership direction. That didn’t work so he quickly pivoted.
That’s precisely what he’s doing. Why do you think he’s stockpiling picks?

To answer your underlined, I refer you to the bolded italicized

Dubas failed hard and is panicking

Hope he doesn't fail with the picks...