Yakov Trenin breaks Derek Forbort's orbital bone while prone

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

'payback' = egregious cheapshot

Why didn't he wait to punch him when Macguire was actually on his feet?

Probably because after running the Wings goalie Maguire was busy going after the team’s young star. Live by the sword.

It’s impressive some people are still salty about it nearly 40 years later.

 

[Chainshot]

yeah, no salty tears detected there.

Probert went after Maguire because even though the line brawl had run its course, Maguire took the opportunity to fight Yzerman. What Probert did was payback for Maguire fighting the Wings young star.

Yzerman came to Maguire after Maguire had already gone with Gallant after he made the retaliation run on the Wings goalie. There is no world where Probert starting the actions by blasting Barrasso multiple times in that game that lead to the retaliation run or the 2nd altercation with Yzerman wasn't on the Wings. Yzerman didn't need to engage with him but he did. Probert didn't need to hit Barrasso and he did. Gallant went with Maguire - should've been the end of it, but someone stood up to Proberts antics and he clearly didn't like it.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Forbort threw a punch while Trenin was on his knees. In for a penny, in for a pound.

 

[bob77]

Can't wait for all the "Do the Canucks have a Yakov Trenin problem" threads.

Maybe Vancouver should trade for Kurtis MacDermid, he's a useless face puncher

And a buddy of Forbort from LA days! I’m sure he’d love to rearrange Yakov face.

 

[Ralonzo]

Probably because after running the Wings goalie Maguire was busy going after the team’s young star. Live by the sword.

It’s impressive some people are still salty about it nearly 40 years later.

Yzerman was railing punches on the guy two linesmen were laying on as well.

 

[voyageur]

This really looks like something that should be handled by the Vancouver Canucks at a future date. No need for DoPS.

That's the whole problem with the Canucks. Forbort is responding to a cheap shot on Hughes. If Derek Forbort is your policeman on the ice, good luck. I didn't like that shot at all from Trenin, that's dirty, maybe not Ryan Hartman dirty, but it was clearly attacking a vulnerable player, with intent. Canucks response, a stick tap on the ass. Man when the Wild played our Jets dirty, we just had Logan Stanley fall on their best player. Canucks are too West Coast now. Pat Quinn, Marc Crawford teams weren't so soft.

 

[ScottishCanuck]

It was dirty but I think it’s a lash out in the heat of the moment. It happens a lot but rarely lands.

That said, I’m shocked that there wasn’t anything in the way of discipline.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That said, I’m shocked that there wasn’t anything in the way of discipline.

Yeah, the NHL is usually all about turning a blind eye to these incidents until somebody gets hurt and then it's a 20 game suspension and a "We take player safety very seriously. There's no place for this behavior in hockey." bullshit statement.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

You can either suspend them both or neither of them. I don’t see much of a difference in the punches they threw.

 

[bob77]

That's the whole problem with the Canucks. Forbort is responding to a cheap shot on Hughes. If Derek Forbort is your policeman on the ice, good luck. I didn't like that shot at all from Trenin, that's dirty, maybe not Ryan Hartman dirty, but it was clearly attacking a vulnerable player, with intent. Canucks response, a stick tap on the ass. Man when the Wild played our Jets dirty, we just had Logan Stanley fall on their best player. Canucks are too West Coast now. Pat Quinn, Marc Crawford teams weren't so soft.

And Tocchet leads in NHL history Gordie Howe hat trick w 18 I believe. You just know he wouldn’t mind having a 6 minute guy for just such things.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

honestly hate the new meta of slamming a guy down to the ice because you dont want to stand up and throw punches. So much more dangerous than just letting the fists fly.

 

[Rebels57]

Forbort had that coming when he landed one with Trenin down on his knees.

 

[voyageur]

And Tocchet leads in NHL history Gordie Howe hat trick w 18 I believe. You just know he wouldn’t mind having a 6 minute guy for just such things.

I think Tocchet probably steams watching that, wishing he could settle the score himself.

But when your team is trying to be more Swedish every year, I can see Tocchet moving on from the Canucks, because he doesn't have the right team to coach to his way of playing the game.

 

[voyageur]

Forbort had that coming when he landed one with Trenin down on his knees.

I still don't get that though. You beat a guy clean, clock him by getting him off balance, clock him before he recalibrates, and that gives you the right to retaliate when the ref is obstructing the player? What kind of code is that? Yeah I get heat of the moment. You don't become rational in it, but that was a dirty shot, just like Hartman's on Stutzle. Maybe that's the Wild way.

Forbort isn't a goon, it's not like he plays reckless. He can even make a good saucer pass out there from time to time.

If player safety is tit for tat, eventually the NHL is going to have to penalize fighting to a greater degree to avoid fighting in retaliatory situations. And fighting related injuries, and their repercussions. Which I think leads to more rat hockey.

 

[yeaher]

Forbort threw a punch while Trenin was on his knees. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Yeah, this just gets glazed over, but it was a clear sign that it was a dirty fight, and Trenin just played by the rules, or lack there of at that point.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Forbort threw a punch while Trenin was on his knees. In for a penny, in for a pound.

i feel like this is the case here, both players did something stupid in a fight ( which is stupid) Forbort certainly invited this by throwing punches when Trenin was on the his knees, Trenin rightfully saw red after that. Trenins fist was already in motion before the ref held Forbort. This is the shit you sign up for when you fight, any punch can break your orbital bone with the right angle/force or combination of both. There are no saints here and there are no innocent victims.

 

[bob77]

I still don't get that though. You beat a guy clean, clock him by getting him off balance, clock him before he recalibrates, and that gives you the right to retaliate when the ref is obstructing the player? What kind of code is that? Yeah I get heat of the moment. You don't become rational in it, but that was a dirty shot, just like Hartman's on Stutzle. Maybe that's the Wild way.

Forbort isn't a goon, it's not like he plays reckless. He can even make a good saucer pass out there from time to time.

If player safety is tit for tat, eventually the NHL is going to have to penalize fighting to a greater degree to avoid fighting in retaliatory situations. And fighting related injuries, and their repercussions. Which I think leads to more rat hockey.

Exactly. Forbort probably doesn’t even see the punch coming because the ref is blocking vision. To suggest the Wild player gets one last shot even though the ref is there, and somehow the rule book condones this type of thing is ridiculous. Yes. I know. He essentially get a warning

 

[GMR]

How long would Kocur’s suspension be nowadays after that final punch on Kyte?

Granted, the refs hadn’t stepped in yet.

 

[voyageur]

How long would Kocur’s suspension be nowadays after that final punch on Kyte?

Granted, the refs hadn’t stepped in yet.

Way different fight. I heard Jim Kyte talk about it. Live by the sword, die by the sword, he said. That was his job. First fight he had with Kocur was pretty even, maybe even edge to Kyte, but no one remembers that one. Probert and Kocur became an identity with the Wings.

 

[RandV]

i feel like this is the case here, both players did something stupid in a fight ( which is stupid) Forbort certainly invited this by throwing punches when Trenin was on the his knees, Trenin rightfully saw red after that. Trenins fist was already in motion before the ref held Forbort. This is the shit you sign up for when you fight, any punch can break your orbital bone with the right angle/force or combination of both. There are no saints here and there are no innocent victims.

A point I was going to make in the other direction. Big difference in force/impact when flailing around on your skates and the other guy is aware vs getting to throw an unanticipated punch while both guys are grounded.

Now I'm no hockey fighting connoisseur, just never been entertained by them to be honest, but typically there's a rhythm here where the ref/linesman gets in the middle and both guys stop and skate to the box. There was that break point here, linesman in the middle and both guys stopped, then Trenin cocked and threw another punch with Forbot unaware. At this point, that's a not a fight that's a sucker punch, and the reason why the Vancouver bench was so pissed off and Forbot left injured on the ice with a broken orbital bone. If the league isn't going to punish that then you may as well have one guy cold clock the other after the break up as they're skating to the box.

 

[egelband]

This league needs to decide where it stands on fighting. You can’t have soft penalties for this stuff and then clutch your pearls when a guy gets hurt during a fistfight.

Yep. Let guys fight and you’re opening a Pandora’s box. Dudes get heated up and do stupid things.
I admit I like a good fight but the league and fans can’t say ‘go beat each other up for our entertainment but only go like 70%’.

 

[Reality Czech]

If I’m throwing hands and the other guy is still moving, you’re damned right I’m still going to hit him.

This fight is a perfect example of why. Neither of these guys let up when the other fell. That’s how a real fight works, not a bunch of “hey bro you done?” and slapping each other’s butt.

Except this isn't a real street fight where anything goes, there are written and unwritten rules on hockey fights. If a fighter in a sanctioned sport throws a bunch after the referee attempts to break it up that's against the rules not to mention showing no respect for your opponent. Just shows what a p***y Trenin is for hitting a guy when he couldn't defend himself.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Except this isn't a real street fight where anything goes, there are written and unwritten rules on hockey fights. If a fighter in a sanctioned sport throws a bunch after the referee attempts to break it up that's against the rules not to mention showing no respect for your opponent. Just shows what a p***y Trenin is for hitting a guy when he couldn't defend himself.

What about when Trenin was on his hands and knees and couldn't defend himself??? Is that in the unwritten rules???

 

[tarheelhockey]

Except this isn't a real street fight where anything goes, there are written and unwritten rules on hockey fights. If a fighter in a sanctioned sport throws a bunch after the referee attempts to break it up that's against the rules not to mention showing no respect for your opponent. Just shows what a p***y Trenin is for hitting a guy when he couldn't defend himself.

Except this isn’t a sanctioned sport either, so that standard makes no more sense than a street fight.