Speculation: WSH trade catalog

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Patrik Laine for 1st 2020, 1st 2021, Connor McMichael, Jakub Vrana and Dmitri Orlov.

But right now I'm wondering who the Capitals make their goalie in 2020-21.

 

[filinski77]

Patrik Laine for 1st 2020, 1st 2021, Connor McMichael, Jakub Vrana and Dmitri Orlov.

But right now I'm wondering who the Capitals make their goalie in 2020-21.

Not a chance.

I'd definitely be interested in Laine, but not at that price. Laine is definitely the best part of that deal, but I don't see why we would trade a top-6 forward, a 2/3 D, two firsts, and our best forward prospect just for a top-6 winger.

The difference between Laine and Vrana this past RS was 3 goals and 11 points. That upgrade from Vrana to Laine (factoring in Laine being 2 drafts younger) does not justify us gutting the future and getting rid of our 2nd best D, 2x first rounders and someone we expect to also be a top-6 forward.

 

[StephenPeat]

Patrik Laine for 1st 2020, 1st 2021, Connor McMichael, Jakub Vrana and Dmitri Orlov.

But right now I'm wondering who the Capitals make their goalie in 2020-21.

Hell no. The Caps would like to be able to compete sometime ever. Laine isn’t worth this haul to anyone other than Jets fans. For that price you better be throwing in a Chicago-era Byfuglien and retaining 100% of both players Cap Hits.

 

[benbenthelava]

I’m not sure anything on this site Re: The Caps matters until we know who a new coach might be. There are plenty of options, principle among them Peter Laviolette, that would have me thinking twice about trading Orlov.

To the point of this thread;
Tom Wilson is ABSOLUTELY NOT AVAILABLE FOR ANYTHING PERIOD.

A team in the position of the Caps currently trades youth like Vrana, Samsonov, McMichael, or high picks why?

I don’t see the logic in anything here. The Caps need better Depth among the F, period. They should take chance in FA that Good Players will have to take less $$ for the next few seasons because of the looming financial uncertainty and make astute pick-ups without long-term attachment and try to add Depth Scoring while keeping their young nucleus; Carlson, Vrana, Samsonov, prospects, picks, etc. And consider that the Met is still a bloodbath and it’s unlikely any Met team makes huge strides relatively in the intermittent period and focus on staying competitive, getting better around their aging core, and preparing for 5 years from now instead of 1 or 2 seasons.

I’m with you on waiting to see what a coaching change does. Personally, Orlov isn’t a favorite.

 

[StephenPeat]

I’m with you on waiting to see what a coaching change does. Personally, Orlov isn’t a favorite.

Orlov has his warts but at his age and experience you’re not going to be able to replace him with someone who can do what he does organically and I don’t see the LD as a priority compared to other MORE GLARING weaknesses, namely Secondary Scoring. Quality 4-6 D are much easier to acquire or develop than quality 3D. If the Caps can’t make a move to get Carlson a quality partner in the 2/3D Range then the D isn’t really going to get better without throwing $ or picks around and the Caps shouldn’t be doing that. The real issue this post-season among the D was that Jensen still doesn’t quite fit and Kempny forgot how (or was too unhealthy) to play above the Bottom Pairing. If those issues aren’t resolved, the Math dictates that Orlov has to stay.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Minnesota would be very interested in McMichael and Kuznetsov

 

[StephenPeat]

Minnesota would be very interested in McMichael and Kuznetsov

I’m sure I’d be absolutely thrilled to hear how you’d like to make either happen. I’m just not seeing anything you could offer that would make it worthwhile for Wsh. For either player/prospect honestly.

 

[benbenthelava]

Orlov has his warts but at his age and experience you’re not going to be able to replace him with someone who can do what he does organically and I don’t see the LD as a priority compared to other MORE GLARING weaknesses, namely Secondary Scoring. Quality 4-6 D are much easier to acquire or develop than quality 3D. If the Caps can’t make a move to get Carlson a quality partner in the 2/3D Range then the D isn’t really going to get better without throwing $ or picks around and the Caps shouldn’t be doing that. The real issue this post-season among the D was that Jensen still doesn’t quite fit and Kempny forgot how (or was too unhealthy) to play above the Bottom Pairing. If those issues aren’t resolved, the Math dictates that Orlov has to stay.

I’m making my claim assuming we are going to sign Dillon. If not I agree. Jensen has not fit in for our top 4RHD.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I’m sure I’d be absolutely thrilled to hear how you’d like to make either happen. I’m just not seeing anything you could offer that would make it worthwhile for Wsh. For either player/prospect honestly.

This McMichael guy quickly becoming overrated

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Jackets would certainly have interest in Kuznetsov

 

[Carlzner]

This McMichael guy quickly becoming overrated

He's the only decent forward prospect for an organization whose best forwards are about to be on the wrong side of 30.

 

[StephenPeat]

This McMichael guy quickly becoming overrated

Yep that’s what I was talking about. I.E. Kuznetsov for Brodin has been bandied about in the past and there’s ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for the Caps to do that so let’s see what you got.

But f*** I’m feelin frisky what would you offer for McMichael that the Caps wouldn’t be wise to immediately reject, pray tell? Keep in mind the Caps are not rebuilding, are in as good if not better a Cap situation than the Wild and McMichael looks like a homerun based on his draft position. What would convince the Caps to move him from the Wild?

 

[StephenPeat]

Double Post

 

[StephenPeat]

Jackets would certainly have interest in Kuznetsov

I doubt you’d offer anything remotely close but what say you?

 

[Gurglesons]

Kuznetsov to Winnipeg or Calgary would be interesting. Too bad that NTC went into place.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Yep that’s what I was talking about. I.E. Kuznetsov for Brodin has been bandied about in the past and there’s ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for the Caps to do that so let’s see what you got.

But f*** I’m feelin frisky what would you offer for McMichael that the Caps wouldn’t be wise to immediately reject, pray tell? Keep in mind the Caps are not rebuilding, are in as good if not better a Cap situation than the Wild and McMichael looks like a homerun based on his draft position. What would convince the Caps to move him from the Wild?

For McMicheal I would move either of Brodin/Dumba. Just out of curiosity, who has ever bandied about Brodin for Kuznetsov? I can’t think of a world where that’s a good trade for Washington. For Kuznetsov, I would personally trade Brodin + Boldy + 9th

 

[simon IC]

As I posted in another thread, Wilson would look great in a Blues jersey, but I really doubt the Caps trade him. Quick question, How is Riley Sutter developing? I am interested, as his father and two uncles played in St. Louis. One of his uncles has his number hanging from the rafters.

 

[filinski77]

Jackets would certainly have interest in Kuznetsov

The only way I see that move happening is if it's Dubois, Werenski, or Jones (with the caps adding a bunch) coming back.

Kuznetsov had a down year this year and still would have led the Jackets in points. He's 21st in points in the last 5 seasons.

I wouldn't expect the Jackets to be willing to give up one of those 3, so I don't think there's much of a fit to be made.

 

[Big Empty]

Youre gonna need a dump truck for those +‘s.

A few hundred of these

 

[is the answer jesus]

I'd imagine the Sabres would be very very interested if Kuznetsov could be had.

 

[StephenPeat]

For McMicheal I would move either of Brodin/Dumba. Just out of curiosity, who has ever bandied about Brodin for Kuznetsov? I can’t think of a world where that’s a good trade for Washington. For Kuznetsov, I would personally trade Brodin + Boldy + 9th

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho...248/a-wild-swing-for-the-fences-could-it-work
Should the Minnesota Wild trade for Evgeni Kuznetsov? I’ve also seen a Brodin for Kuznetsov base suggested on the Wild boards on this site.

I actually think your valuations are reasonable. I still don’t think they make a bit of sense for Wsh.

I doubt Min would move Brodin/Dumba for McMichael alone and Wsh is in absolutely no position to be adding to that trade.

Brodin + Boldy + 9th for Kuznetsov is also entirely reasonable if not slanted toward Wsh but there’s no way a team in Wsh position trades their de facto 1C after the Season and Post-Season Backstrom just had.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yep that’s what I was talking about. I.E. Kuznetsov for Brodin has been bandied about in the past and there’s ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for the Caps to do that so let’s see what you got.

But f*** I’m feelin frisky what would you offer for McMichael that the Caps wouldn’t be wise to immediately reject, pray tell? Keep in mind the Caps are not rebuilding, are in as good if not better a Cap situation than the Wild and McMichael looks like a homerun based on his draft position. What would convince the Caps to move him from the Wild?

Enlightening the masses as to what a non-rebuilding team in a good cap situation needs might be a good initial step.

 

[StephenPeat]

A few hundred of these
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Wonder if those trucks will help Draisaitl win something some day?

As of right now the only thing they’re good for carrying is the Oiler fans salt that the Caps aren’t trading Tom Wilson (himself a former 16th overall pick who has dramatically outplayed his draft position) for a nearly identical pick 8 years into his career so we can pray there’s a similar player available in that position today. (Oilers 1st)

Oh we can also have our choice of a 3RD RD prayer Russian DMan (Samorukov) or a 2016 2ND RD LW (where does he slot in a Wsh) who hasn’t cracked an NHL lineup on one of the worst teams in the League 4 years removed from his draft year (Benson).

Maybe McDavid and Draisaitl will, in fact, win something other than a Scoring Title someday I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

 

[StephenPeat]

Enlightening the masses as to what a non-rebuilding team in a good cap situation needs might be a good initial step.

They need McMichael and Kuznetsov...that’s kinda the point isn’t it now.

The one guarantee I can make you is that the last thing they need is to trade the few quality chips they have for more prayers and dart throws when McMichael and Kuznetsov seem to offer exactly what the Caps need moving forward in greater measure than what any team is likely to offer for them.

The truth is Min and Wsh make terrible trading partners as they’re both negotiating from the same position; last few kicks at the can with an aging core. The Wild should be more desperate because they haven’t won anything and their future doesn’t look that great with a Middling Prospect Pool and they’ve recently traded homegrown young veterans (Zucker) and appear stuck between rebuilding and trying to compete with an expensive veteran group.

Wsh’s smartest move under the circumstance? You guessed it, allow it to PUSH and live to die another day or at least wait for a better hand.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Wonder if those trucks will help Draisaitl win something some day?

As of right now the only thing they’re good for carrying is the Oiler fans salt that the Caps aren’t trading Tom Wilson (himself a former 16th overall pick who has dramatically outplayed his draft position) for a nearly identical pick 8 years into his career so we can pray there’s a similar player available in that position today. (Oilers 1st)

Oh we can also have our choice of a 3RD RD prayer Russian DMan (Samorukov) or a 2016 2ND RD LW (where does he slot in a Wsh) who hasn’t cracked an NHL lineup on one of the worst teams in the League 4 years removed from his draft year (Benson).

Maybe McDavid and Draisaitl will, in fact, win something other than a Scoring Title someday I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I'm far from an Oilers fan, but it took your 1st and 4th overall picks over a decade to "win something other than a scoring title", so maybe the high horse isn't the right place to be.