Would you want the leafs to trade Matthew’s if they lose next game?

[TMLAM34]

I would definitely consider the option. Doesn’t mean I would trade him, but for the right package I would pull the trigger. This team/organization/fan base needs change.

 

[MSZ]

A definite no.

Do we know what is wrong with him? What if it comes out that he's played all season with an injury that needs surgery? A serious injury?

When Matthews is going good who is his Robin??? Marner!! What exactly has he done to help the Leafs cause this series?

You do not trade a scorer like Matthews. You have to have all facts. Did Washington trade Ovechkin when they lost all those seasons before winning the cup? They changed things around him and built an eventual winner.

There are many players that must go to allow to supplement the team with leaders, winners. Reilly and Marner should go before Matthews is traded. That is a potential 23 million to add players who want to win.

The Caps never wanted to trade Ovechkin because he was able to score goals even when the team was losing. He had 40 playoff goals in his first 8 years.

If Matthews had scored this many goals no one would've even thought about trading him.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Yes he’s a perennial loser

Try to trade him to LA for Byfield

Trade him while you can and his value is ‘high’

Byfield has only lost 4 straight years to Edmonton. Leafs top C would be Kampf.

 

[The Shadow]

Byfield has only lost 4 straight years to Edmonton. Leafs top C would be Kampf.

Then trade him for someone else. I don’t care

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Then trade him for someone else. I don’t care

The point is you're never going to win that trade and become a better team. That's the goal of making a trade. The goal isn't to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. Which was kind of like the Kadri trade.

 

[Rare Jewel]

no issues with Berube
He's not the common denominator. Not hard to figure out

Let's be real though, the system is crap as well.

They typically allow far too much time and space to the other team, which leads to many spells of getting hemmed in and outshot. Conversely, they don't do that nearly as much to other teams now because CB seems to like massive stodgy defencemen who can't activate or contribute anything other than "getting in the way."

Savard's been an utter mess with the PP.

Lambert and Van Ryn are more guilty by association.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

But I think you’re missing the point here. There is something really toxic here and there’s a reason why O’Reilly couldn’t get out of Toronto fast enough. He knew they’d never win.

Then he went to Nashville to lose a lot.

 

[LeafGrief]

Absolutely.

I have, and will always defend the Kadri trade because he was fired. Team just couldn't trust him any more and it was better for everyone involved to move on. In hindsight, Kadri was the kind of player we needed to keep around, but firing him was and will have always been the correct choice to make at the time. The consequences afterwards were ours to deal with, but an organization with balls must make decisive moves from time to time.

Matthews is fired. I don't care what we get for him, he's fired. Marner will have the privilege of more gently being allowed to walk as a UFA, but he is also fired. These guys make the hot tempered Kadri look like the patron saint of reliability. These guys are so unreliable it is entirely reliable that they will let us down again. Curse the hockey gods that made our stars unreliable players, but you still have to play the hand you were dealt and it's time to fold this one. I don't ever want to watch these losers play in the Maple Leaf colours again. Matthews is so far down to rock bottom that if he ever scores 3g in a playoff series again in his career he should win the Masterton trophy.

I used to love Matthews, now I don't think I have an ounce of respect for him left. Wow, he's got some good hockey tools, but everything that I respect in a man, such as courage, ability to lead or follow, and basic f***ing competence in a stressful situation, he's a zero. A talented husk, twisting in the wind.

 

[fahad203]

All options should be on the table. I mean every single one of them

A lot of American teams would love an all American boy. Especially someone who can sell Jersies and be marketable

I can definitely see him ending up in LA, NY Rangers, Vegas (who just got embarrased)

You can still get a good haul

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

They aren’t going to trade him unless he wants out.

Giving him the Captaincy was one of the bigger missteps of Trelivings tenure.

In retrospect...giving a guy who consistently fails under pressure the captaincy was a huge misstep. Adding more pressure didn't turn him into a diamond...that's for sure.

 

[ToneDog]

Yes he’s a perennial loser

Try to trade him to LA for Byfield

Trade him while you can and his value is ‘high’

Maybe the new GM in LA wants to make a big splash and bring in Matthews. I'd do what it takes to get Byfield and Clarke and build around them.

Problem for LA is that they can't sleigh the dragon in the playoffs and Matty isn't the guy to do it.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

A definite no.

Do we know what is wrong with him? What if it comes out that he's played all season with an injury that needs surgery? A serious injury?

When Matthews is going good who is his Robin??? Marner!! What exactly has he done to help the Leafs cause this series?

You do not trade a scorer like Matthews. You have to have all facts. Did Washington trade Ovechkin when they lost all those seasons before winning the cup? They changed things around him and built an eventual winner.

There are many players that must go to allow to supplement the team with leaders, winners. Reilly and Marner should go before Matthews is traded. That is a potential 23 million to add players who want to win.

As another poster stated last week...His excuse of injury became null and void after he played in the 4 nations cup instead of getting treatment for his ailing whatever it may be. He put his own desire for playing for his country ahead of his team in that situation.

 

[Fogelhund]

He's one of the top talents in the world, there is no question about that. Some great personal achievements and stats... I've seen him take over games many times, just will the team to victory... just never when it really counts... and he's injured half of the time, you just can't count on him at all. The first couple of times... ok, surely this is just bad luck right... well, now it's chronic.

He's still a star in this league, and one bad year doesn't change that in the minds of most of the league and GM's.... to me, it's time to get what you can.

I had proposed back in March a deal with LA Kings if we failed. Byfield, Clarke, Greentree and a 1st... that's a haul to get back, but Matthews is a brand name superstar, and none of those guys are that... would I accept less... probably, but I think that's what a guy like Matthews fetches...

It's time to move in a different direction, this one isn't working.

 

[therealkoho]

If he puts on another performance like last nights' then yes, tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail.

There has never been in the history of the club a captain who was more self absorbed, more ready to absolve himself of any blame than this guy.

Like he said "I guess we have to be better."

 

[therealkoho]

BTW my advocacy for trading him goes back at least 3 years, and the target has always been Byfield.

I was pretty angry about making him Captain and more angry about the contract, that was all about him and had nothing to do with the team. My posts on the subject are still all there too bad Matthews is too.

Kadri
Hyman
And pretty soon Marner and Tavares

Captain my ass!

 

[notbias]

If this thread is how the GMs of the NHL think, how many 1st are we giving up with him to get rid of the contract?

We don't have a lot of assets to get rid of the contract.

Yes he’s a perennial loser

Try to trade him to LA for Byfield

Trade him while you can and his value is ‘high’

Why would LA trade for a loser?

Some of you make no sense at all.

 

[IPS]

Just gotta let that Toronto media work its magic and drill it into everybody's head that Matthews' injury can and will excuse all of this.

I've underestimated the media's influence before to my own perill. It is f***ing amazing how they can memory hole things and play right into the short NPC-like memories of the populace of Toronto.

They did it before and they're gonna do it again.

 

[The Shadow]

If this thread is how the GMs of the NHL think, how many 1st are we giving up with him to get rid of the contract?

We don't have a lot of assets to get rid of the contract.



Why would LA trade for a loser?

Some of you make no sense at all.

Why would teams do the stupid things they do? Why would terrible managers keep getting hired or recycled?

This is the way of hockey.

I would bet there are 10 or more GMs who would think they can fix matthews and get him in the right environment.

My post makes a lot of sense. You not understanding how hockey works doesn’t

 

[JKG33]

I think if Marner doesn’t re-sign, that might be the trigger for Matthews to approach management for a trade.

If Marner leaves, Matthews’ emotional security blanket leaves. In essence, it’s an instance where three siblings that were divided into a 2 vs 1 dynamic, becomes 1 vs 1.

I think looking over at Nylander, without Marner in the room, sets up a different uncomfortable dynamic for Matthews’ ego.

And as we’ve come to understand profoundly, Papi appears to have particular ownership rights to a level of comfort that’s non-negotiable.

I think theres a reality where Marner goes to Anaheim this summer, and by draft day 2026 Matthews is traded there too

 

[notbias]

Why would teams do the stupid things they do? Why would terrible managers keep getting hired or recycled?

This is the way of hockey.

I would bet there are 10 or more GMs who would think they can fix matthews and get him in the right environment.

My post makes a lot of sense. You not understanding how hockey works doesn’t

Treliving is one of those GMs I'd assume... he just gave him the captaincy, no reason to think he'd trade him, I don't think he believes he is a loser.

Your post makes no sense, because you don't know how hockey works.

 

[Al14]

Let's make him our next Captain to bring the BEST out of him... oh wait !!!

Yes, just trade this under performer as soon as you can and for whatever you can get.

He isn't going to magically get better as he ages !!!

 

[JKG33]

Absolutely.

I have, and will always defend the Kadri trade because he was fired. Team just couldn't trust him any more and it was better for everyone involved to move on. In hindsight, Kadri was the kind of player we needed to keep around, but firing him was and will have always been the correct choice to make at the time. The consequences afterwards were ours to deal with, but an organization with balls must make decisive moves from time to time.

Matthews is fired. I don't care what we get for him, he's fired. Marner will have the privilege of more gently being allowed to walk as a UFA, but he is also fired. These guys make the hot tempered Kadri look like the patron saint of reliability. These guys are so unreliable it is entirely reliable that they will let us down again. Curse the hockey gods that made our stars unreliable players, but you still have to play the hand you were dealt and it's time to fold this one. I don't ever want to watch these losers play in the Maple Leaf colours again. Matthews is so far down to rock bottom that if he ever scores 3g in a playoff series again in his career he should win the Masterton trophy.

I used to love Matthews, now I don't think I have an ounce of respect for him left. Wow, he's got some good hockey tools, but everything that I respect in a man, such as courage, ability to lead or follow, and basic f***ing competence in a stressful situation, he's a zero. A talented husk, twisting in the wind.

Thats my thoughts exactly (except for the liking Matthews part lol).

Kadri was a trade that had to be done. He was a petulant child, a me first selfish player just for different reasons than the current ones. As you said, firing is a perfect way to put it. The problem wasnt with getting rid of Kadri, it was targeting yet another charmin ultra soft player in return. The Dubas special.

I agree Matthews and Marner should also be fired. Let Marner walk, let Matthews get whatever surgery he needs and trade him next offseason. Only because the franchise would never want to justify losing both in the same off season.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

If Matthews want to play games you tell that bum that if he doesn't waive his NMV The C will get stripped in public. Tell that loser to pack up his bags or the team will publicly humiliate him.

 

[Da Mash]

I’m so happy that Tre did such a marvellous this yr with cap space and assets he had to use to improve the club.
Bottom six can be replaced today with marlies players and we still wouldn’t notice a difference.

Fans supported the Laughton trade because he is a home boy but in reality he is a 4th line player all day.

Thats what Tre wasted a 1st rd pick on?
Our D will get another yr older next year. They better invest in Rod Langway shin pads.

Berube …keeps games close as his main goal is to play low event hockey.

Get down quick and Berube system fails. Dont get elite goaltending, system fails. Don’t have elite PP and PK the system fails.

Imagine if this team wasn’t so great at winning faceoffs.
We would witnessing a game of leafs players chasing pucks all game.

 

[Stephen]

Let's be real though, the system is crap as well.

They typically allow far too much time and space to the other team, which leads to many spells of getting hemmed in and outshot. Conversely, they don't do that nearly as much to other teams now because CB seems to like massive stodgy defencemen who can't activate or contribute anything other than "getting in the way."

Savard's been an utter mess with the PP.

Lambert and Van Ryn are more guilty by association.

There’s no hockey system that can compensate for this version of Auston Matthews to get you to a championship. Dragging him to the second round and protecting him by giving him props for being a defensive passenger has already been a Herculean effort. We would need Pacioretty to go full Rantanen to get us past Florida.