Would you trade the 2nd overall pick for Cole Caufield?

[Xirik]

G-money, you’re the cats pajamas brother.

Love the D-Cat, love CC but don’t mess around. Grab Slaf (or Wright if that’s the case) and profit from the nectar of the gods. Happy to send Montreal the mechanical version of Bubo instead for future considerations.

I didn't know we could speak Jive on this board!

 

[Captain3rdLine]

As a Habs fan I say no. Good chance that Caufield will be a 30-40 goal scorer for the next decade and be around point per game. Him and Suzuki have great chemistry together.

Plus I have to assume that the Habs pick Wright at #1 which makes me think in this scenario they pick Nemec and #2. Best forward and best defenceman in the draft. It would leave a glaring hole on the roster of having skilled wingers.

They would pick Slafkovsky. It’s become very obvious that that is who it has come down to for the habs. Him and Wright.

 

[NJDfan86]

Trading it is a crap idea either way. That said, Caulfield is not a proven commodity. I’m a fan but it’s not a shoe in that he ends up in the same class as Debrincat. Debrincat is a proven elite goal scorer.

Caulfield’s first 77 games - 27/21/48
DeBrincat’s first 82 games - 28/24/52

Caulfield was born ~ 3 years later - I’d rather take my chance that his next years are as good or better at ELC and first RFA deal years than pay a premium for what DeBrincat has accomplished.


Again - I said I wouldn’t trade it. But I’d be easier on the GM if it was for Caulfield than DeBrincat.

 

[Emperoreddy]

The person we wohld pick with 2nd overall isn't proven either. If Habs offered up CC I would seriously consider it.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Habs fan here coming in peace

Just wanted to point out how fascinating I find the discrepancy between the results of the same poll in 2 forums

Here's what the same poll results look like in the other side:


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Now this doesn't in any way mean any of the 2 communities is right or wrong or knows its hockey better. It is more related to a psychology bias, we cherich what we consider our own and tend to instinctly give it more value simply because its ours.... Fascinating

Of course your fanbase wants nothing to do with it. You got hockey writers up there trying to convince people the Devils would trade the 2nd pick for a bucket of spare parts.

 

[JrFischer54]

Heck no and I am 100% in the boat of trading the pic. Need someone more established then Caufield. I get the pick is not proven either but If given the choice between two unknowns I would rather have the guy that our scouts want to draft.

 

[My3Sons]

The Monty Hall 3 Doors problem.

Monty Hall problem - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If the show offers to let you swap doors, you should say yes. Even after presented with the math showing this is true, some people feel that they still wouldn’t switch doors because they couldn’t emotionally deal with trading out of the winning prize.

They’d rather stay with a lower chance of winning than have held the winning door and then actively made a move to lose it.

You should also stick When the dealer has twelve if you have 12 but it seems counter intuitive and I’m not sure in the real world it works more often than not.

 

[My3Sons]

They don’t wanna trade Cc for 2nd, we don’t wanna trade 2nd for cc, everybody happy.

Btw would be “fun” when Cc will start to pan out next season, will score 30+ goals, Slaf will start to only adapt for new speed of the game, and they will say “I tallg-ya” by Cartman’s voice. And guys like Jim will sing along with them. It could be a sad sad song for devils ears, but we should wait for the second verse, and especially bridge. There will be some plot twist moment. The chorus will sound different after that.

That was an excellent word pack for a guy who writes English as a second or maybe third language. Very evocative music metaphor. As an aside the Beatles always called the bridge the “middle eight”.

 

[Devils731]

You should also stick When the dealer has twelve if you have 12 but it seems counter intuitive and I’m not sure in the real world it works more often than not.

Math actually says you should hit when you have 12 and dealer is showing a 2.

Dealer is actually in a pretty good spot when showing a 2 so you’re going to lose most of the time whether you stand or hit but you do marginally improve your chances by hitting.

 

[My3Sons]

Math actually says you should hit when you have 12 and dealer is showing a 2.

Dealer is actually in a pretty good spot when showing a 2 so you’re going to lose most of the time whether you stand or hit but you do marginally improve your chances by hitting.

Sorry yes dealer showing 2. You can find the blackjack chart online somewhere.

 

[Pantokrator]

Some home love to guest. You can not sold on the draft class, but price is exist in the moment of time, and Cofield doesn’t rise his price much. And for now little dwarf with questionable two way impact isn’t worth the things Slafkovsky could bring.
Every team fans like their own assets more, but pick number one and number two are unquestionably high assets and ever were.
Even after two weeks of the new season Slafkovsky could turn into the pumpkin and Smallfield could score 10 goals in five games. And price will turn around. But now course is different.
I easily believe Miniaturefield could be 40+ goal scorer, I even prefer him over Debrinkat, because of contract and age. But now he is in three years from draft and he is still a projection. Good projection I believe. Good little projection. Like cute corgi, he should grow in adorable boy. He will be a wonderful shepherd doggy. How can you even discuss the sale of such a puppy? How much do you want for it? Come back when he grows up. Oh, I'm sorry.

Lol! Smallfield is the best name.

 

[severian]

You should also stick When the dealer has twelve if you have 12 but it seems counter intuitive and I’m not sure in the real world it works more often than not.

This isn’t true at all. When factoring in pushes, you are statistically less likely to lose when hitting on 12 against a 2 than by standing.

 

[John Pedro]

Nope cause I don't wanna be just a good regular season team then get smoked come playoff time. This team need big wingers that can grind some goals, play a heavy game when defenses get tighter and you can't just be a one-dimensional counter attack team. Gimme Slaf or one of the Ds, I wouldn't even be much open to a trade for a estabilished player that's about to make 9+ million, need to be smart with money cause it may be our doom when we are ready to contend for a cup (which is not very far)

 

[My3Sons]

This isn’t true at all. When factoring in pushes, you are statistically less likely to lose when hitting on 12 against a 2 than by standing.

There is a chart somewhere. My recollection is to stand and the basic premise is that every card is going to be a ten or face card. That’s why when the dealer shows 2 you are supposed to assume he has a ten or face card. Maybe it’s changed in recent years. I haven’t gone to a casino in about ten years.

 

[njdevils1982]

There is a chart somewhere. My recollection is to stand and the basic premise is that every card is going to be a ten or face card. That’s why when the dealer shows 2 you are supposed to assume he has a ten or face card. Maybe it’s changed in recent years. I haven’t gone to a casino in about ten years.

are you aware of the monty hall problem?

 

[NjDevsRR]

I’m honestly surprised how many voted Yes.

 

[Devils731]

There is a chart somewhere. My recollection is to stand and the basic premise is that every card is going to be a ten or face card. That’s why when the dealer shows 2 you are supposed to assume he has a ten or face card. Maybe it’s changed in recent years. I haven’t gone to a casino in about ten years.

The premise is to hit.

There are only 4 cards you bust with and 9 cards you don’t bust with.

Also, the dealer is more likely to have 11 or less than have 12 with a 2 showing.

So you should hit at least once and you’re hoping the dealer has to hit twice.

You’re in a bad spot no matter what but you slightly improve your position by hitting.

 

[None Shall Pass]

There is a chart somewhere. My recollection is to stand and the basic premise is that every card is going to be a ten or face card. That’s why when the dealer shows 2 you are supposed to assume he has a ten or face card. Maybe it’s changed in recent years. I haven’t gone to a casino in about ten years.

Chart is here: https://blog.betway.com/casino/blackjack-strategy-101-what-is-the-hit-stand-betting-system/

 

[My3Sons]

are you aware of the monty hall problem?

Yeah. I get it. I’m just skeptical it really works that well in the real world. It’s like quantum mechanics to me. It exists but it’s really hard to scale up for real world application.

 

[njdevils1982]

nm

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

good player with great potential. As constructed, I don't want little guys.

My exact thought. Cole is too small, sorry. We need some size in our forwards. Not necessarily grit, just size.

 

[Guadana]

That was an excellent word pack for a guy who writes English as a second or maybe third language. Very evocative music metaphor. As an aside the Beatles always called the bridge the “middle eight”.

I could make a casino metaphore, but Im too cautious person and prefer to not gamble on the 2OA pick and use my chances to pick top player by our scouts group, who I belive, work good. And made good choices in the last 4years. May be not the best sometimes, but they were good. And statisticly you are always have good selection for 2nd pick.
As I remember, Islanders did trade second overall for Yashin. Pick was turn into Jason Specca.
In the last Years different teams did trade their picks, that turn into the high picks. They did trade it for proven players. I remember San Jose trade for Karlsson. They played in one final, but now they have an anchor deal. Pick was turned into Stuzle.
I remember Ottawa trade their pick to Colorado. Is it Bowen Byram? They did fix it after? Bowen Byram is good. I prefer him over unstable Duchene.
Columbus did trade pick for Duchene. Pick was turned into Lassi Thomson. Nothing special. Ottawa could be better now.
Seth Jones example.

Oh! Arizona did trade for Hall! They could have Mercer now.
Toronto did trade contract of Marleau for pick. That turned into Jarvis!

I believe there are a lot of examples. If you are not a proven team, don't trade the pick. Not for Debrinkats, not for Fialas or Nylanders. Not for Cofields. Cofield is a really good player on my taste, but team building still exist. Its not about maximum shiny toys. Its about balance and making players complimentaring to each other. 6.4 good skater with awesome hands could do it with our centers. Cofield will score a lot I believe, but I can't imagine how bad duo of him and Jack will look in own zone. You can't compensate it by only one player.

 

[JimEIV]

Some home love to guest. You can not sold on the draft class, but price is exist in the moment of time, and Cofield doesn’t rise his price much. And for now little dwarf with questionable two way impact isn’t worth the things Slafkovsky could bring.
Every team fans like their own assets more, but pick number one and number two are unquestionably high assets and ever were.
Even after two weeks of the new season Slafkovsky could turn into the pumpkin and Smallfield could score 10 goals in five games. And price will turn around. But now course is different.
I easily believe Miniaturefield could be 40+ goal scorer, I even prefer him over Debrinkat, because of contract and age. But now he is in three years from draft and he is still a projection. Good projection I believe. Good little projection. Like cute corgi, he should grow in adorable boy. He will be a wonderful shepherd doggy. How can you even discuss the sale of such a puppy? How much do you want for it? Come back when he grows up. Oh, I'm sorry.

One of the more enjoyable post I've read here in a while.

 

[glenwo2]

"little dwarf with questionable two way impact"

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Caufield is a good player, but NJ shouldn’t be adding another midget to the forward corps.