Speculation: Would you trade Fowler for Nino Neiderreiter??
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When the day started, I thought we were going to take the Etem at 12
RIGHT? Lmao! That's what we projected with the 12th pick hahaha
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Id love to add him to our team, we lack Left wings on our team and prospect pool.
But ya not for fowler or lindholm, wouldnt even consider. Vatanan could be a potential starting point add where needed.
The fact that we didnt have a name plate for fowler at the draft showed how high our team was on him... id consider him untouchable specially with scotty neids here to help coach him.
But ya not for fowler or lindholm, wouldnt even consider. Vatanan could be a potential starting point add where needed.
The fact that we didnt have a name plate for fowler at the draft showed how high our team was on him... id consider him untouchable specially with scotty neids here to help coach him.
airforceones25
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As I stated I would certainly trade Vatanen + pick/roster player(Beleskey of possibly Cogliano). Would also entertain trading DSP for him as well.
LW is a need on this team.
Also reading Detroit fans complaining of the lack of RH defenseman on their rosters. I would also be willing to package Vatanen in a trade for Nyquist. =)
LW is a need on this team.
Also reading Detroit fans complaining of the lack of RH defenseman on their rosters. I would also be willing to package Vatanen in a trade for Nyquist. =)
When the day started, I thought we were going to take the Etem at 12
Me too. I still think we might have. Maybe. If Madden was smart enough he would've given other guys a look.
Since some posters are convinced Sami is going to be in the line up as sooon as he gets better, Then they might as well trade Fowler and a couple of other defensemen for Nino, Sami will carry the team on his back
mightyquack
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Papaspud
Vatman
ESPECIALLY the last line!!!
As fans we want our players to want to play for us, to be part of a team, to struggle, and win together.
An unproven quantity asking for a trade has a demoralizing effect in the locker room. The kid is poison now. If they trade him, he has a huge target whenever you guys play him, and If they don't trade him...Jesus...imagine the atmoshpere.
MattMartin
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Im the guy who stirred this debate but please read what i wrote before passing judgement and I never said that Fowler right now would or should be traded for Nino. All i basically said it was way to early to tell. Again this is my opinion and i brought up some facts to show my theory as well. Good luck guys/gals with your team and Cam and i mean that sincerely.
1st off whats this love affair with Can Fowler??? He fell to 12th so in hindsight 6 other teams had a chance to grab him and let him go. Here are the players picked before him and by position.
6.RW Brett Connolly Tampa
7.C Jeff SKinner Carolina
8.C Alexander Burmistrov Atlanta
9.W Mikael Granlund Minnesota (love this kid, just getting his shot this year)
10.D Dylan McIlrath Rangers
11.G Jack Campbell Dallas
If anyone should be kicking themselves its the Rags!!
Fowler had a great rookie season playing with great talent around him and i know he is still very young with lots of upside so we shall see in years to come what kind of player he really is.These are his stats in his 1st 2 years and notably again he was/is playing with lots more talent then he would have here, see Getzlaf,Ryan,Perry,Selanne and Visnovsky that 1st season.
10/11 76 10 30 40 -25
11/12 82 5 24 29 -28
Obviously very good/great stats 1st year maybe a sophmore slump in the 2nd but his +/- is horrifying so people acting like he the next coming of Lidstrom or Pronger i dont see that happening but we shall see.
Edit: just found this article http://kuklaskorner.com/index.php/ps...worst_adjusted
"Cam Fowler is no stranger to posting poor puck possession stats. Last season he posted the worst adjusted Corsi rating in the league. These numbers show that Fowler has had problems adjusting to NHL play. Fowler is a future NHL star who has been playing a big role in the NHL as a teenager. In fact when I wrote about the lack of established elite defencemen today commenter CMo44 listed Fowler as an elite defenceman who is well on his way."
"He has clearly been given a big role on the Anaheim Ducks. Many interpret this as a sign he is a star. What people don’t notice is that he is struggling defensively. When Fowler is on the ice, the other team has the puck and they score more goals than his team does. Fowler struggles at even strength. He isn’t ready to play the role that he has been given. Perhaps he never will be ready."
"Cam Fowler is a young defenceman. His story as a top draft pick who has immediately jumped into a big role in the NHL makes many think he is already an NHL star. He isn’t. He has been a liability to his team. He does have a lot of potential and might improve as he grows into his NHL career. However right now he is not a star defenceman despite what many want to believe."
1st off whats this love affair with Can Fowler??? He fell to 12th so in hindsight 6 other teams had a chance to grab him and let him go. Here are the players picked before him and by position.
6.RW Brett Connolly Tampa
7.C Jeff SKinner Carolina
8.C Alexander Burmistrov Atlanta
9.W Mikael Granlund Minnesota (love this kid, just getting his shot this year)
10.D Dylan McIlrath Rangers
11.G Jack Campbell Dallas
If anyone should be kicking themselves its the Rags!!
Fowler had a great rookie season playing with great talent around him and i know he is still very young with lots of upside so we shall see in years to come what kind of player he really is.These are his stats in his 1st 2 years and notably again he was/is playing with lots more talent then he would have here, see Getzlaf,Ryan,Perry,Selanne and Visnovsky that 1st season.
10/11 76 10 30 40 -25
11/12 82 5 24 29 -28
Obviously very good/great stats 1st year maybe a sophmore slump in the 2nd but his +/- is horrifying so people acting like he the next coming of Lidstrom or Pronger i dont see that happening but we shall see.
Edit: just found this article http://kuklaskorner.com/index.php/ps...worst_adjusted
"Cam Fowler is no stranger to posting poor puck possession stats. Last season he posted the worst adjusted Corsi rating in the league. These numbers show that Fowler has had problems adjusting to NHL play. Fowler is a future NHL star who has been playing a big role in the NHL as a teenager. In fact when I wrote about the lack of established elite defencemen today commenter CMo44 listed Fowler as an elite defenceman who is well on his way."
"He has clearly been given a big role on the Anaheim Ducks. Many interpret this as a sign he is a star. What people don’t notice is that he is struggling defensively. When Fowler is on the ice, the other team has the puck and they score more goals than his team does. Fowler struggles at even strength. He isn’t ready to play the role that he has been given. Perhaps he never will be ready."
"Cam Fowler is a young defenceman. His story as a top draft pick who has immediately jumped into a big role in the NHL makes many think he is already an NHL star. He isn’t. He has been a liability to his team. He does have a lot of potential and might improve as he grows into his NHL career. However right now he is not a star defenceman despite what many want to believe."
MattMartin
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Honestly after reading that would any of you here claim that i bashed Cam at all? let alone sparked a debate on whether he should be traded for Nino??
Palmieri
Ryan
Winnik
Beleskey
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Etem
Kerdiles
Maroon
Doesn't look like a need. Our prospect pool could use a little added depth there, but it isn't an emergency that needs to be addressed right now. Palmieri fixed our need there.
airforceones25
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Please don't come here to speak down on our players and stir the pot. The consensus opinion of all fans alike would not trade Fowler for Nino. Good bye.
AngelDuck
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When you come onto a Ducks message board and right a post about whether we should trade our best defenseman (who happens to be very young) for a winger who scored one goal in 55 games last year...you're going to get some "wtf?" or some "Lolz" from us.
AngelDuck
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Palmieri and Etem aren't LW's. They're being used there out of need.
LW is by far the biggest need for this organization.
airforceones25
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Problem here...
Palmieri, Etem and Ryan all natural RW players. Kerdilles a natural C but seems to be okay at the wing.
I think it's safe to say Ryan has adjusted just fine and we should basically call him a LW player at this point.
However relying on guys like Winnik, Beleskey and Maroon as your LW's is quite honestly asking for trouble.
It's not an easy transition for everyone as you seem to think. We can definitely use some high end talent that is a natural LW. Palmieri hasn't shown he can produce at the LW position yet. I don't see how you can just say he fixed our need there.
They aren't natural LWs, but as Bobby shows, that doesn't matter. It's not like Palmieri is struggling there.
Though I like how you're suddenly a stickler for this after suggesting that we play Holland at RW.
mightyquack
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Nino has 1 point in 55 NHL games. He sucks!!!!! Draft position far too high!!!
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
mightyquack
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Kerdiles isn't a natural C. He spent plenty of time at LW prior to his time with Wisconsin.
Why don't we wait for Palmieri to actually struggle before we label his position swap as a problem.
MattMartin
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"Im the guy who stirred this debate but please read what i wrote before passing judgement and I never said that Fowler right now would or should be traded for Nino. All i basically said it was way to early to tell. Again this is my opinion and i brought up some facts to show my theory as well. Good luck guys/gals with your team and Cam and i mean that sincerely."
I never spoke down on your players i was just showing what i wrote and had nothing to hide. Thank you for your understanding and good luck!
Buh Bye
airforceones25
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On paper LW is clearly a glaring need. We can't just assume every player can play any position. Why don't we fill an organizational need before we just label every RW a LW?
Palmieri may be just fine on the left side but it isn't as simple as just playing every player out of position. There is a reason players play the positions they play.
