Would you rather forfeit a mid 2025 first rounder or a low 2026 first rounder?

[Golden_Jet]

I wouldn't bet on us either, but shit happens. Nobody bet on Nashville being where they are right now either. Things go wrong, players get injured. It's not defeatist to acknowledge that.

If 2026 was a weak draft year, then sure maybe, but there's a McDavid-level player in that draft.

If I was betting, I would bet the Sens finish higher in the Standings in 25/26.
I don’t see them finishing 11th worse, or even worse than that, to get Gavin. Even if they did finish 11th, 3% odds are not the best.

 

[PlayOn]

I'm talking in recent years. Greig also graduated last season so obviously not talking only this season



Yes and that is what I am arguing. It's a mini disaster that we had to sign/acquire all these mediocre or bad free agents in the last 2 years. And yes you can predict things, I do that all the time. It's impossible to predict everything perfectly and see everything coming but you can EASILY predict that you will need these guys on ELC stepping in and contribute.



100% agree but overpaying marginal players and not having good youth prevents you from filling up all your needs



Josh Norris was acquired by trade, Yakemchuk is not on the team yet. We have 6 forwards and 4 D-men (10/23 players) drafted by the team after 7 full years of rebuilding. I mean, it's not that bad but some of them aren't young like you said, Tkachuk going on 26, Batherson going on 27 and Chabot on 28. You never know what can happen, particularly with guys like Greig, Pinto, Ostapchuk, Kleven and JBD who are not guaranteed to be long term guys. You need youth to be constantly able to step in.

And yes, like you said, we need to be good at drafting more than most NHL markets. I never said we can't have players that were acquired by pro scouting, I'm saying too many of our depth/support/role players this seasons had to be picked in the "left overs" pool.



Ullmark, Jensen and Gaudette gives hope. Perron (while being a bit expensive and one too many years for me), could have maybe worked out with more luck. Gregor and Cousins are ok at their price tag I guess. Amadio not a fan

I don't know what changes have been made but it seems that it's already improving from Dorion's era.

All that said, we absolutely need to have a better prospect pool.

We can agree to disagree. Like I said, I think it’s a lot more nuanced. Prospect pool needs are always relative to what is on the current team. And I think as you become a more competitive team, there are less roles available, specifically on the defense. You look at how sheltered Kleven and JBD are even now and there’s a reason most playoff teams aren’t breaking in rookie defencemen year after year.

We have a lot of guys that still have a lot of room to grow. I think the vets they are surrounded with are more than fine, and I think the areas where they aren’t are things you can address. There’s no question we put a lot of our eggs in one basket with the way things were handled but I don’t see it as a disastrous situation, moreso just one that needs to be attended to so that a few years down the road we don’t still have empty cupboards.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

If I was betting, I would bet the Sens finish higher in the Standings in 25/26.
I don’t see them finishing 11th worse, or even worse than that, to get Gavin. Even if they did finish 11th, 3% odds are not the best.

If we suffer similar injuries, yes it's extremely unlikely for the sens to finish lower next season. However, again who knows what happens both to our roster and around the league.

 

[CanadianHockey]

If they think this year is a shallow draft, they should forfeit this year's pick. Otherwise, hang onto it. More upside than downside.
+ Chance the league gives us the pick back
+ Chance the team improves in the standings
+ Extra year of prospect development to fill a hole in the pipeline
- Chance we regress next year (injuries or performance drops)

I don't think we end up in contention for the lottery either way. San Jose and Chicago are terrible. Anaheim isn't much better, Buffalo and Nashville may both implode for a chance at the lottery. Columbus and Montreal don't seem like they're going to breakout anytime soon.