Proposal: Would the Sharks fancy all of the Canadiens picks for 2nd overall?

[Cas]

I’m impressed by the value of the 2nd rounders in this exercise

Lucky string of 49s but Hintz, Ferraro, and Marchenko are great

Ferraro is a success for #49, but trust me, he is not great.

 

[Shark Finn]

Probably if all the Sharks had was Celebrini. But in this position, no.

 

[StreetHawk]

No. Big money Mike hangs up and blocks Kent Hughes number. You don’t trade quality for quantity.

I agree. If you are still in the asset acquisition phase, quality over quantity.

 

[T_Cage]

No. The Sharks need quality. Not quantity.

If you want 2OA it's gonna cost you Hutson+16+17.

if the Sharks asked for Hutson alone for 2nd overall I hang up the phone before they can even add 16 and 17. And as a Leafs fan i would love to see Montreal lose a trade but that's just robbery

 

[Crow]

I would and then take half of those picks and move up to 3 for Martone.

I wouldn’t take all of those picks for 3rd overall, let alone half.

Hawks need quality over quantity too.

 

[Ford Prefect]

Why are we even talking about Celebrini ? And why are you ignoring the extra two first round picks added to the offer??

Are you new here? It's cause trolls always hijack these threads. Be lucky if you get an insightful comment on the first page, it just deteriorates from there (if you get that far).

 

[HabsAddict]

Hmm, so first you say you'd trade Hutson for Celebrini, now it's Hutson is better?

No, of course I'm not mad that Hutson probably wins the Calder. He's got the Habs hype and played on a much better team, of course he's got the gas.

Whether or not Hutson ever becomes a legitimate #1D (never mind a top-5 D in the league, but it's natural to be biased for your team's player), the fact that he was drafted in the 60's shows that you can always get top pairing D outside of the top-5 of the NHL draft. True #1 centers? Almost exclusively drafted in the top-5 of the NHL draft. That's why no one sane would trade Michael Misa for Lane Hutson, even if I also understand that you don't want to trade Hutson. It is always, always, always possible to draft top pairing defensemen outside the top-5. It is almost never possible to draft a #1C outside the top-5. You as a Habs fan should know this intimately.

Suzuki...13thOA

 

[Jumptheshark]

Quantity vs what could be quality, This is not the 2015 draft. There is a missive drop off after about 4 or 5. Lots of magic beans but not all magic beans are a like

 

[Hockeypete49]

I know this is fantasy land in typical Garth Snow fashion when he offered Columbus ALL OF HIS PICKS to move up to the 2nd overall spot and draft Ryan Murray but

Considering the Habs have more than enough middle of the lineup players and are sufficiently advanced in their rebuild, it would be worth moving quantity for quality

And considering the Sharks are probably missing on the guy they want anyway in Matthew Shaefer

Would Mike Grier accept

2025 16th overall (CGY)
2025 17th overall (MTL)
2025 40th overall pick (PIT)
2025 49th overall pick (MTL)
2025 MTL 3rd round pick
2025 VAN 3rd round pick
2025 NJ 3rd round pick
2026 MTL 1st round pick*
2026 MTL 2nd round pick
2026 CBJ 2nd round pick

for

2025 2nd overall (SJ)

I didnt put all those late picks because the Sharks probably have no use for it and there's still a 50 contracts limit. Even though they are rebuilding, they dont have a tons of picks capitals in the next few years : 2x 1st, 2x 2nd, and 5 more picks in 2025, then 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd and 3 more picks in 2026.

From a Habs POV, I feel like the 2nd overall pick would be the prize for all the assets collected through the rebuild. He is exactly what the Canadiens need, a big responsible centreman. He is also close to be NHL ready to he solve a need short term and long term.

*I'm putting some kind of top 10 protection here. If it's top 10, then Sharks get 2027 1st instead.

I know it's a crazy idea but you have to do crazy to differentiate yourself and win.

I do this in a heartbeat.

 

[Anardil]

Hmm, so first you say you'd trade Hutson for Celebrini, now it's Hutson is better?

No, of course I'm not mad that Hutson probably wins the Calder. He's got the Habs hype and played on a much better team, of course he's got the gas.

Whether or not Hutson ever becomes a legitimate #1D (never mind a top-5 D in the league, but it's natural to be biased for your team's player), the fact that he was drafted in the 60's shows that you can always get top pairing D outside of the top-5 of the NHL draft. True #1 centers? Almost exclusively drafted in the top-5 of the NHL draft. That's why no one sane would trade Michael Misa for Lane Hutson, even if I also understand that you don't want to trade Hutson. It is always, always, always possible to draft top pairing defensemen outside the top-5. It is almost never possible to draft a #1C outside the top-5. You as a Habs fan should know this intimately.

The only thing that I disagree with in your post is that you state that Hutson played on a much better team than Celebrini. It's true that they ended the season as a much better team, but if you were to take a closer look, this is virtually the same roster that had finished in the bottom 5 for the three previous years, and until December this season, was 31st in league standings.

Hutson is one of the main reasons why the team ended the season in the playoffs, and it should be the main reason why he wins the Calder.

Finally, I would like to say that I believe that Celebrini will end up having a better career than Hutson, as long as Celebrini avoids serious injuries. He had a remarkable season, considering the team he is currently on and his age.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The only thing that I disagree with in your post is that you state that Hutson played on a much better team than Celebrini. It's true that they ended the season as a much better team, but if you were to take a closer look, this is virtually the same roster that had finished in the bottom 5 for the three previous years, and until December this season, was 31st in league standings.

Hutson is one of the main reasons why the team ended the season in the playoffs, and it should be the main reason why he wins the Calder.

Finally, I would like to say that I believe that Celebrini will end up having a better career than Hutson, as long as Celebrini avoids serious injuries. He had a remarkable season, considering the team he is currently on and his age.

Listen, I appreciate your measured take overall so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't watch a single Sharks game this season or even look to see who is on our roster. Here's a sweet little glimpse into the roster we were icing at the end of the year:



Please tell me with a straight face that you think the Habs' roster this season wasn't MUCH MUCH MUCH better than this.

Despite finishing fifth to last in the 2023-2024 NHL season, the Habs had TWENTY-NINE (29!!) more standings points than the Sharks. In 2023-2024, the Montreal Canadiens were a MUCH MUCH MUCH better hockey team than the San Jose Sharks. Take both Hutson and Celebrini off their teams this season and the Montreal Canadiens would be a MUCH MUCH MUCH better hockey team than the San Jose Sharks. This is not debatable.

 

[Jared Dunn]

The only thing that I disagree with in your post is that you state that Hutson played on a much better team than Celebrini. It's true that they ended the season as a much better team, but if you were to take a closer look, this is virtually the same roster that had finished in the bottom 5 for the three previous years, and until December this season, was 31st in league standings.

Hutson is one of the main reasons why the team ended the season in the playoffs, and it should be the main reason why he wins the Calder.

Finally, I would like to say that I believe that Celebrini will end up having a better career than Hutson, as long as Celebrini avoids serious injuries. He had a remarkable season, considering the team he is currently on and his age.

Obviously Hutson's addition was one of if not the single biggest factor but also Suzuki and Caufield taking big steps, Laine bringing an offensive boost at the right time, and veteran players playing their best hockey in 3+ seasons - it wasn't just a single change. Habs definitely have a much better roster, Celebrini is the Sharks best player by a pretty fair margin at 18 (hutson for calder nonethless, for the record)

 

[Anardil]

Obviously Hutson's addition was one of if not the single biggest factor but also Suzuki and Caufield taking big steps, Laine bringing an offensive boost at the right time, and veteran players playing their best hockey in 3+ seasons - it wasn't just a single change. Habs definitely have a much better roster, Celebrini is the Sharks best player by a pretty fair margin at 18 (hutson for calder nonethless, for the record)

And who helped Suzuki and Caufield have career years? Hutson mainly. I responded to a post saying that I believe that Celebrini will have the better career, but the Calder goes to the rookie who has the most impressive season, not who has the highest potential.

Hutson flat out had the more impressive rookie season. In fact, he had an historical rookie season as a d-man.

 

[Anardil]

Listen, I appreciate your measured take overall so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't watch a single Sharks game this season or even look to see who is on our roster. Here's a sweet little glimpse into the roster we were icing at the end of the year:



Please tell me with a straight face that you think the Habs' roster this season wasn't MUCH MUCH MUCH better than this.

Despite finishing fifth to last in the 2023-2024 NHL season, the Habs had TWENTY-NINE (29!!) more standings points than the Sharks. In 2023-2024, the Montreal Canadiens were a MUCH MUCH MUCH better hockey team than the San Jose Sharks. Take both Hutson and Celebrini off their teams this season and the Montreal Canadiens would be a MUCH MUCH MUCH better hockey team than the San Jose Sharks. This is not debatable.

The only difference is that the Sharks were a year or two behind the Habs in their rebuilds, and the Habs did not do a tear down to the studs rebuild. They were just a bad NHL team, full of NHLers. And this MUCH MUCH MUCH better team was 31st in league standings on December 1, 2024, above only Chicago.

This still does not change the fact that Hutson, almost single-handedly took a bottom five roster a late as December this season, to a playoff team. Hutson had the most impressive rookie season, bottom line. He had an NHL historic level rookie season for a defenseman. He set a rookie season points record for the franchise!! A franchise that has produced, Harvey, Savard, Lapointe, Robinson, Chelios, amongst others. Celebrini had an impressive rookie season, yes. Hutson had an historical rookie season.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The only difference is that the Sharks were a year or two behind the Habs in their rebuilds, and the Habs did not do a tear down to the studs rebuild. They were just a bad NHL team, full of NHLers. And this MUCH MUCH MUCH better team was 31st in league standings on December 1, 2024, above only Chicago.

This still does not change the fact that Hutson, almost single-handedly took a bottom five roster a late as December this season, to a playoff team. Hutson had the most impressive rookie season, bottom line. He had an NHL historic level rookie season for a defenseman. He set a rookie season points record for the franchise!! A franchise that has produced, Harvey, Savard, Lapointe, Robinson, Chelios, amongst others. Celebrini had an impressive rookie season, yes. Hutson had an historical rookie season.

Single-handedly is a laughable way to frame Hutson’s season that doesn’t need it.

 

[matt trick]

Single-handedly is a laughable way to frame Hutson’s season that doesn’t need it.

I think Hutson is awesome (love the style of player), but have to agree with this. Matheson had 62 points as the #1 offensive option for the Habs last year. Now, Hutson only started getting those opportunities 20 (?) games in, so maybe with the benefit of experience he’d have put up another 5-10 points. That said, with Matheson putting up 62 makes it a little hard to argue he single-handedly pulled the team along. Wouldn’t argue him being the biggest reason, but single-handed is a bit unfair.

Even the sharks post Blackwood, Granlund, Zetts, Ceci, and Walman still had Eklund, Tofolli, Smith, Ferraro, and Wennberg in addition to Celebrini.

Habs are a 2C and a good 2nd pair RD (maybe Reinbacher) away from being a perennial playoff team.

 

[vokiel]

Wut? I wouldn't even bother answering that if I'm Montreal GM.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I think Hutson is awesome (love the style of player), but have to agree with this. Matheson had 62 points as the #1 offensive option for the Habs last year. Now, Hutson only started getting those opportunities 20 (?) games in, so maybe with the benefit of experience he’d have put up another 5-10 points. That said, with Matheson putting up 62 makes it a little hard to argue he single-handedly pulled the team along. Wouldn’t argue him being the biggest reason, but single-handed is a bit unfair.

Even the sharks post Blackwood, Granlund, Zetts, Ceci, and Walman still had Eklund, Tofolli, Smith, Ferraro, and Wennberg in addition to Celebrini.

Habs are a 2C and a good 2nd pair RD (maybe Reinbacher) away from being a perennial playoff team.

Using your logic, any rookie dman with offensive talent can get 60 plus points in the Habs, because Matheson did it…



Here’s an interesting fact. Hutson didn’t get PO1 duty until ~January. He could have had another 10 points!

 

[matt trick]

Using your logic, any rookie dman with offensive talent can get 60 plus points in the Habs, because Matheson did it…

Not any, just a particularly special one.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Considering The Islanders picked 4th that year and Columbus still said no...

 

[Juxtaposer]

The only difference is that the Sharks were a year or two behind the Habs in their rebuilds, and the Habs did not do a tear down to the studs rebuild. They were just a bad NHL team, full of NHLers. And this MUCH MUCH MUCH better team was 31st in league standings on December 1, 2024, above only Chicago.

This still does not change the fact that Hutson, almost single-handedly took a bottom five roster a late as December this season, to a playoff team. Hutson had the most impressive rookie season, bottom line. He had an NHL historic level rookie season for a defenseman. He set a rookie season points record for the franchise!! A franchise that has produced, Harvey, Savard, Lapointe, Robinson, Chelios, amongst others. Celebrini had an impressive rookie season, yes. Hutson had an historical rookie season.

Why are you moving the goal posts? You said the Habs this year weren’t much better than the Sharks and that the only reason they ended up in the playoffs was Hutson. I showed you that’s completely and utterly false. Now you’re saying that the Sharks are two years behind the Habs rebuild and the Sharks burned it down to the studs while the Habs didn’t? I’m glad that you come around to the correct perspective (the 2024 Sharks were much much much worse than the 2024 Habs and the 2025 Sharks were much much much worse than the 2025 Habs, which is true!), but making a statement like “Lane Hutson didn’t play on a better team than Macklin Celebrini this year” and then hard pivoting to “well okay I was totally wrong” is pretty funny. I never said that Hutson wasn’t going to win the Calder, so I don’t know why that’s an issue. And if Macklin Celebrini played his first NHL season at age 20 instead of age 18, he would put up a historic rookie season too, why are we ignoring that Hutson is 21 years old? I don’t see why Habs fans are so fixated on directly comparing Hutson to Celebrini. Yes, Hutson will most likely win the Calder. No, Hutson is not even in the same stratosphere as Celebrini as a player and 100 out of 100 NHL executives and scouts and GMs would take Celebrini over Hutson.

You can keep saying “Lane Hutson is worth forty points in the standings” until you’re blue in the face, but that is simply incorrect.

Using your logic, any rookie dman with offensive talent can get 60 plus points in the Habs, because Matheson did it…



Here’s an interesting fact. Hutson didn’t get PO1 duty until ~January. He could have had another 10 points!

How can you possibly miss the point so badly? He’s saying that the Habs had a 62 point defenseman last year shows that you don’t have to be an elite offensive player to put up elite offensive numbers as the defenseman getting prime minutes on the Habs. Not that any rookie defenseman could do it. Use your brain for a second!

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Neither team does this. San Jose already has a great prospect pool and a ton of picks, makes sense for them to add another elite prospect to their pool with that pick.

Habs have been drafting much better since HuGo took over so I'd rather give their scouts more to work with. In addition, they might use some of those picks to help improve their current team.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why are you moving the goal posts? You said the Habs this year weren’t much better than the Sharks and that the only reason they ended up in the playoffs was Hutson. I showed you that’s completely and utterly false. Now you’re saying that the Sharks are two years behind the Habs rebuild and the Sharks burned it down to the studs while the Habs didn’t? I’m glad that you come around to the correct perspective (the 2024 Sharks were much much much worse than the 2024 Habs and the 2025 Sharks were much much much worse than the 2025 Habs, which is true!), but making a statement like “Lane Hutson didn’t play on a better team than Macklin Celebrini this year” and then hard pivoting to “well okay I was totally wrong” is pretty funny. I never said that Hutson wasn’t going to win the Calder, so I don’t know why that’s an issue. And if Macklin Celebrini played his first NHL season at age 20 instead of age 18, he would put up a historic rookie season too, why are we ignoring that Hutson is 21 years old? I don’t see why Habs fans are so fixated on directly comparing Hutson to Celebrini. Yes, Hutson will most likely win the Calder. No, Hutson is not even in the same stratosphere as Celebrini as a player and 100 out of 100 NHL executives and scouts and GMs would take Celebrini over Hutson.

You can keep saying “Lane Hutson is worth forty points in the standings” until you’re blue in the face, but that is simply incorrect.


How can you possibly miss the point so badly? He’s saying that the Habs had a 62 point defenseman last year shows that you don’t have to be an elite offensive player to put up elite offensive numbers as the defenseman getting prime minutes on the Habs. Not that any rookie defenseman could do it. Use your brain for a second!

How many 62+ pt dman have the Habs had the past 10 years? Here’s the answer: 2!!!

You have to be elite offensively to put up 62+ points. Its not normal.

Not that you would understand that…

As for Celebrini - his 63 points is fairly routine. I can name 6 SJ forwards who have accomplished that over the past 6 years…

 

[Mrfenn92]

This thread lol

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why are SJ fans so bitter with Lane’s inevitable Calder win? Its not like Celebrini was entitled to win. Lane just ran away with it.

Its not Habs fans’ fault!