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Proposal: Would the Sharks fancy all of the Canadiens picks for 2nd overall?

If there weren't constraints around contract limits/business reasons/etc. I don't actually think this is that ridiculous. If reliable statistical models demonstrate that that giant pile of picks is significantly more valuable I think it's smarter to do it.

But I think practically the sharks say no (e.g., the marketing value of one potential superstar/high pick, contract limits, etc.)
 
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Thrasymachus said:
Garth Snow tried this once for Ryan Murray.

Ask yourself... do you want to be emulating Garth Snow?
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He then proceeded to do this in that same draft:
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If you can't get the defenseman you want, just draft 7 more in hopes they all work out.
 
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De Montreal said:
I know this is fantasy land in typical Garth Snow fashion when he offered Columbus ALL OF HIS PICKS to move up to the 2nd overall spot and draft Ryan Murray but

Considering the Habs have more than enough middle of the lineup players and are sufficiently advanced in their rebuild, it would be worth moving quantity for quality

And considering the Sharks are probably missing on the guy they want anyway in Matthew Shaefer

Would Mike Grier accept

2025 16th overall (CGY)
2025 17th overall (MTL)
2025 40th overall pick (PIT)
2025 49th overall pick (MTL)
2025 MTL 3rd round pick
2025 VAN 3rd round pick
2025 NJ 3rd round pick
2026 MTL 1st round pick*
2026 MTL 2nd round pick
2026 CBJ 2nd round pick

for

2025 2nd overall (SJ)

I didnt put all those late picks because the Sharks probably have no use for it and there's still a 50 contracts limit. Even though they are rebuilding, they dont have a tons of picks capitals in the next few years : 2x 1st, 2x 2nd, and 5 more picks in 2025, then 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd and 3 more picks in 2026.

From a Habs POV, I feel like the 2nd overall pick would be the prize for all the assets collected through the rebuild. He is exactly what the Canadiens need, a big responsible centreman. He is also close to be NHL ready to he solve a need short term and long term.

*I'm putting some kind of top 10 protection here. If it's top 10, then Sharks get 2027 1st instead.

I know it's a crazy idea but you have to do crazy to differentiate yourself and win.
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Who are targeting at 2? Usually those deals are mistakes. Many late round picks make it. Especially with Montreal drafting twice in mid first round.
 
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SlyIslands said:
A trade like that would need to be with a team that has a thin prospect pool. NYI would be one but at #1 I don't see it. I think Boston might be interested.
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No team drafting in the top 5 is downgrading that much to make it happen. Possibly a team closer to 10 but not the one with the #1 or #2 pick. That's some NBA draft level craziness.
 
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Bizz said:
No. The Sharks need quality. Not quantity.

If you want 2OA it's gonna cost you Hutson+16+17.
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I could see Reinbacher and the pick(s)

But lol at Hutson being name dropped

To be fair, I do wonder if this makes sense

Reinbacher+16 and Kapanen for the second pick

I say so because the Sharks ideal fit was drafting a Dman, ideally an RD to pair with Dickinson eventually, no dman worth it at two

Habs need their 2C, while Misa might not be ready for it now, I'd keep him a year in college and hope he sees time as a center mainly.

And yes the Habs will still need an RD, I think there are targets which could be acquired (Pulock as an example) that shouldn't cost the farm and Mailloux's playoff run have given me a boost in optimism about him making the NHL
 
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Doublechin said:
To be fair, I do wonder if this makes sense

Reinbacher+16 and Kapanen for the second pick
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It doesn't.

Reinbacher is a depreciating asset thus far and a middle 1st pick in a draft with a huge drop off after the first few picks is not a fair offer for a young team in need of acquiring top talent which is nothing you are offering.
 
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Bizz said:
No. The Sharks need quality. Not quantity.

If you want 2OA it's gonna cost you Hutson+16+17.
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C'mon now.

Hutson will be the Calder Trophy Winner this year, if the 2OA pick is half as good as Hutson, it Will already be a Win in itself

The Sharks have only one asset I'd Trade Hutson for, and that asset Will loose the Calder to Hutson anyway
 
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Bouboumaster said:
C'mon now.

Hutson will be the Calder Trophy Winner this year, if the 2OA pick is half as good as Hutson, it Will already be a Win in itself

The Sharks have only one asset I'd Trade Hutson for, and that asset Will loose the Calder to Hutson anyway
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A Sharks fan didn't make this thread, a Habs fan did, take it up with OP for their terrible offer. When you make a horrible trade proposal, you can't get mad when the team you're attempting to victimize makes a lopsided counter proposal.

I wouldn't even think about trading Misa for Hutson and I doubt any other Sharks fan would either, so I think we can put this thread to bed.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
A Sharks fan didn't make this thread, a Habs fan did, take it up with OP for their terrible offer. When you make a horrible trade proposal, you can't get mad when the team you're attempting to victimize makes a lopsided counter proposal.

I wouldn't even think about trading Misa for Hutson and I doubt any other Sharks fan would either, so I think we can put this thread to bed.
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I responded to a batshit insane comment made by a Shark fan, and Misa have big, big shoes to fill before deserving to be named in the same sentence as Lane Hutson
 
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Jee said:
ROFL
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Why are you guys laughing? That seems about right.

This is why no one ever trades into the top 3. The two firsts don't even move the needle. You'd need 4 of them

Boston that one year with three in a row, 12th to 14th I think? Likely couldn't even get into the top 4-5.
 
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For the trade to work, I think the Canadiens or another team would need to get be higher in the draft where San Jose sees the last point before the top 10 talent tier drops off.

Philadelphia seems to be the best match. They need a future 1C. They have the 6th OA pick, two late firsts, and four seconds, and a bunch of late picks. I don't think the Canadiens are picking high enough for it to make sense.

1999 first round pick (12th overall, later traded to Chicago, used to select Cade McNown)[14]
1999 third round pick (71st overall, later traded to Chicago, used to select D'Wayne Bates)[14]
1999 fourth round pick (107th overall, used to select Nate Stimson)[15]
1999 fifth round pick (144th overall, later traded to Chicago, used to select Khari Samuel)[16]
1999 sixth round pick (179th overall, later traded to Denver, used to select Desmond Clark)[15]
1999 seventh round pick (218th overall, later traded to Denver, used to select Billy Miller)[15]
2000 first round pick (2nd overall, used to select LaVar Arrington)[13]
2000 third round pick (64th overall, used to select Lloyd Harrison)[13]

That is the Ricky Williams trade that he quoted, but the sports are completely different so a third round pick in the NFL is a lot more consequential than a 3rd round pick in hockey.

Philadelphia has two late 1sts, four 2nds, and a high 3rd. Should it take all those picks to move up from 6 to 2? No. But if the idea is to come up with an absurd Ricky Williams type scenario where a team blatantly overpays in on paper value to move up, it's pretty easy to come up with a scenario where the Flyers could include some combo of those picks to move up from 6 to 2.
 
TLEH said:
They're both probably wingers when its all said and done so maybe not too crazy a discussion.
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Year 1: Hutson already stacked up against the top 5 defensemen in the league
Why moving him Up when he's already that good?
Especially since we already have a Winger prospect Much better than Misa in Demidov
 
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