Would Olli Jokinen be dominant asset in today's NHL?

[ijuka]

Olli Jokinen a pretty underrated player I think. He made for good memes but he also was a real good player.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Do you mean prime Jokinen in today's NHL? Or if today's 42 year old Jokinen was signed to a contract, 6 years after he last played pro?

So, the Leafs are interested?

 

[NK94]

Olli Jokinen finished with more OT points as Leaf than David Clarkson. Jokinen played 6 games as a Leaf before he was dealt to St. Louis.

That season was dogshit, but it was pretty cool to see one of my childhood favourites play a few games for Toronto.

 

[Marshall]

Not sure. Guess you could say I'm waffling.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

He’s be on the All-Handsome team for sure

 

[Mulletman]

It's him and Laine, right? The two most mismanaged and misunderstood geniuses in hockey history? Why are everyone so vehemently against these two players and try to sabotage their careers by any means necessary? Teammates, coaches, managers, pundits, scouts, fans, et cetera. Everyone. I don't get it, but it's such a damn shame.

Well just look at Laine last night. Was on a career long scoring drought and then puts up 1+1=2 points and what does he get in return?! Benched! Florida Panthers - Columbus Blue Jackets - March 11th, 2021
Now why the hell would they do that?! It's to sandbag him so Columbus can sign him as cheap as possible. Same reason Winnipeg traded him away earlier this year after a dominant 2+1 in his opening game. They knew that a weak Canadian division would mean that Laine could pad his stats and become to expensive to sign. Dubois will be much cheaper as he's under contract longer and they'll be able to get him cheaper on a long term deal. And since joining Columbus Laine has been a healthy scratch 3 times and benched 2 times and lost a fight 1 time. It's absolutely criminal what they are doing to the potential long term legacy of Patrick Laine and I wouldn't be surprised if Laine is gone within 2-3 years to play in the KHL instead...

 

[Lundell4Prez]

Did corsi figs exist when he was playing well for us? Because I always thought he seemed to get some of the luckiest goals, a ton of empty netters and just played zero defense.

Coming from a Panther fan, I think if anything he was overrated.

 

[Albatros]

Well just look at Laine last night. Was on a career long scoring drought and then puts up 1+1=2 points and what does he get in return?! Benched! Florida Panthers - Columbus Blue Jackets - March 11th, 2021
Now why the hell would they do that?! It's to sandbag him so Columbus can sign him as cheap as possible.

Tortorella doesn't give a f... about his next contract.

 

[Unspecified]

I miss this:

 

[sr edler]

Well just look at Laine last night. Was on a career long scoring drought and then puts up 1+1=2 points and what does he get in return?! Benched! Florida Panthers - Columbus Blue Jackets - March 11th, 2021
Now why the hell would they do that?! It's to sandbag him so Columbus can sign him as cheap as possible. Same reason Winnipeg traded him away earlier this year after a dominant 2+1 in his opening game. They knew that a weak Canadian division would mean that Laine could pad his stats and become to expensive to sign. Dubois will be much cheaper as he's under contract longer and they'll be able to get him cheaper on a long term deal. And since joining Columbus Laine has been a healthy scratch 3 times and benched 2 times and lost a fight 1 time. It's absolutely criminal what they are doing to the potential long term legacy of Patrick Laine and I wouldn't be surprised if Laine is gone within 2-3 years to play in the KHL instead...

So Jarmo Kekäläinen has told Tortorella to bench Laine as soon as Laine starts scoring too much? To save money? Because that's what I'm reading from this post. You say "they" benched Laine, so presumably the coach and the GM? Anyone else involved in the plot? Ownership? Perhaps they should try to save money on him because this current player isn't worth near 9 or 10 million.

I watched the highlights against the Panthers and Laine's assist was quite a far-fetched secondary assist and the goal was a typical standstill Laine goal. Perhaps Torts wasn't impressed with his overall game? From what I've watched so far this season I'm not impressed by his overall game either. He's standing around way too much, waiting for the play to come to him. He doesn't drive much play, if at all. He should try to run the play himself way more, that's what dynamic game changers do. And even when he does move now he's got this heavy and slow body language like he's a 37 year old guy with back problems or something, holding his stick stiff to the ice like it's a crutch or something.

If Laine ends up in KHL in 3 years it's entirely on himself.

Since this is an Olli thread perhaps Olli realized, after having bombed in both Los Angeles and Long Island, that you're not getting anything for free in the big league and that you have to force the play yourself sometimes if you want to accomplish anything, even if it's just being a star player in a small market like Florida.

 

[Mulletman]

So Jarmo Kekäläinen has told Tortorella to bench Laine as soon as Laine starts scoring too much? To save money? Because that's what I'm reading from this post. You say "they" benched Laine, so presumably the coach and the GM? Anyone else involved in the plot? Ownership? Perhaps they should try to save money on him because this current player isn't worth near 9 or 10 million.

I watched the highlights against the Panthers and Laine's assist was quite a far-fetched secondary assist and the goal was a typical standstill Laine goal. Perhaps Torts wasn't impressed with his overall game? From what I've watched so far this season I'm not impressed by his overall game either. He's standing around way too much, waiting for the play to come to him. He doesn't drive much play, if at all. He should try to run the play himself way more, that's what dynamic game changers do. And even when he does move now he's got this heavy and slow body language like he's a 37 year old guy with back problems or something, holding his stick stiff to the ice like it's a crutch or something.

If Laine ends up in KHL in 3 years it's entirely on himself.

Since this is an Olli thread perhaps Olli realized, after having bombed in both Los Angeles and Long Island, that you're not getting anything for free in the big league and that you have to force the play yourself sometimes if you want to accomplish anything, even if it's just being a star player in a small market like Florida.

Columbus is known for their cheap ownership. If Laine was playing for my Leafs he would have a 8 figure cap hit for sure! Oh and Laine will never be a two way player. Laine will never be able to play defense, or battle in the corners, or score in traffic, or stickhandle, or get garbage goals in front of the net. His specialty is his shot. Laine will be one of the most dominant players of all time on the powerplay with that shot. Laine also scores on the rush and with the right coach and system they'll have him scoring a lot of goals right after the face off in the offensive zone too just like Ovechkin does many times. And add to that some icetime at the end of games to get a few empty net goals every season and you'll be looking at an elite goal scorer that will have an impressive legacy once it's all said and done.

Oh and Olli was never really given a shot in his rookie year. Gone after just 8 games with basically no icetime. Olli started off hot in his second year were he had 8 points after his first 9 games, but then his icetime was reduced by several minutes each game and he only had 1+1 in his next 29 games. Olli had a way worse start to his career in LA than what Puljujarvi has had in Edmonton. And if Olli had had as bad of a start as Lafreniere he probably never would've made it past LA...

 

[Devilmademedoit]

Would Olli Jokinen be important player in your team roster if he made a contract?

Title and question are two different things.

Dominate vs important, He was not dominate when he played but was an important asset for a few years. He had two really good years but was mostly a serviceable player for what he did. Turkey Girl--now there was a Dominate meme

 

[Zenos]

Title and question are two different things.

Dominate vs important, He was not dominate when he played but was an important asset for a few years. He had two really good years but was mostly a serviceable player for what he did. Turkey Girl--now there was a Dominate meme

dominant. The word is dominant.
Somebody who dominates is dominant.

Sorry nothing personal, just a little pet peeve of mine which I see posted nearly daily here. Same with bias / biased.

 

[Helistin]

In his prime he was a very good player but wouldn't call him a dominant (asset)? player.

Also , why no waffle gif yet?

 

[JFG]

He was one of the best player in his era for sure!

He was a good player and for sure waisted his prime in Florida but “one of the best” of his era?

 

[Lambo]

So Jarmo Kekäläinen has told Tortorella to bench Laine as soon as Laine starts scoring too much? To save money? Because that's what I'm reading from this post. You say "they" benched Laine, so presumably the coach and the GM? Anyone else involved in the plot? Ownership? Perhaps they should try to save money on him because this current player isn't worth near 9 or 10 million.

I watched the highlights against the Panthers and Laine's assist was quite a far-fetched secondary assist and the goal was a typical standstill Laine goal. Perhaps Torts wasn't impressed with his overall game? From what I've watched so far this season I'm not impressed by his overall game either. He's standing around way too much, waiting for the play to come to him. He doesn't drive much play, if at all. He should try to run the play himself way more, that's what dynamic game changers do. And even when he does move now he's got this heavy and slow body language like he's a 37 year old guy with back problems or something, holding his stick stiff to the ice like it's a crutch or something.

If Laine ends up in KHL in 3 years it's entirely on himself.

Since this is an Olli thread perhaps Olli realized, after having bombed in both Los Angeles and Long Island, that you're not getting anything for free in the big league and that you have to force the play yourself sometimes if you want to accomplish anything, even if it's just being a star player in a small market like Florida.

Yeah, I don't like his way of playing either. If I had the chance to get him, I would forego it. Better to get an independent player for this. Even if it had 25% less potential. Princesses floating on the ice are not my thing.

 

[amnesiac]

peak Jokinen, sure. He was a 90 point player

regular Jokinen... meh

 

[sinDer]

He was a good player and for sure waisted his prime in Florida but “one of the best” of his era?

He was actually one of the best of his era...but his era lasted 2 seasons...

 

[Diamonddog01]

How is this even in doubt? Just check the clout/swag combo:

Love Bertuzzi tickling the ivories to an adoring crowd

 

[sr edler]

He was actually one of the best of his era...but his era lasted 2 seasons...

Olli Jokinen when he had his two best seasons with 89 and 91 points finished 16th and 14th in league scoring. So that's not even a single top 10 overall scoring finish. Or top 13 scoring finish. For comparison Pavol Demitra had three top 10 scoring finishes. In 2005–06 when Olli scored 89 points you know who also scored 89 points? Brian Gionta. And this is only offensively speaking, so if Olli is around the 15th best scorer on average during these two seasons, that's without even adding in defensemen and goalies to the mix of overall players.

And, it's also without weighing in the overall game aspect. Since Olli was average defensively at best some forwards with a bit less points than Olli during these two seasons, but with way stronger overall games, are still closing the gap, depending on its size. Henrik Zetterberg & Pavel Datsyuk for instance, with 85 and 87 points in 77 and 75 games played respectively in 2005–06, and thus both scoring at a higher pace than Jokinen, were miles better defensively. So, both scoring at a higher pace than Olli and both being substantially better defensively, but somehow Olli is better than both because he scores 4 and 2 more raw points during the season? Lol.

Again, 2006–07 season, Olli and Datsyuk have the exact same scoring pace, with Datsyuk being miles better defensively, but Olli is playing 3 more games and scores 4 more points which makes him a better overall player? Lol.

 

[SotasicA]

Played mostly with KHuselius, MNilsson and NHorton and with NHagman
also played with 33 year old Viktor Kozlov and 30 year old Valerie Bure
+ with 40 year olds Niewendyk, Gelinas and Roberts

Stumpel was actually his main sidekick. A damn good playmaker.

 

[sinDer]

Olli Jokinen when he had his two best seasons with 89 and 91 points finished 16th and 14th in league scoring. So that's not even a single top 10 overall scoring finish. Or top 13 scoring finish. For comparison Pavol Demitra had three top 10 scoring finishes. In 2005–06 when Olli scored 89 points you know who also scored 89 points? Brian Gionta. And this is only offensively speaking, so if Olli is around the 15th best scorer on average during these two seasons, that's without even adding in defensemen and goalies to the mix of overall players.

And, it's also without weighing in the overall game aspect. Since Olli was average defensively at best some forwards with a bit less points than Olli during these two seasons, but with way stronger overall games, are still closing the gap, depending on its size. Henrik Zetterberg & Pavel Datsyuk for instance, with 85 and 87 points in 77 and 75 games played respectively in 2005–06, and thus both scoring at a higher pace than Jokinen, were miles better defensively. So, both scoring at a higher pace than Olli and both being substantially better defensively, but somehow Olli is better than both because he scores 4 and 2 more raw points during the season? Lol.

Again, 2006–07 season, Olli and Datsyuk have the exact same scoring pace, with Datsyuk being miles better defensively, but Olli is playing 3 more games and scores 4 more points which makes him a better overall player? Lol.

wow...calm down my friend.

First, I never compared Jokinen with Datsyuk.

Second, you missed my point. I was having fun about the fact that Jokinen’s peak only lasted 2 years (89 and 90 pts with the Panthers).

During this short period of time, he was good...very good. And being in the top 20 is nothing to be shy about.

But calling him « one the best of his era » is a long shot, I’m not arguing that.

 

[lebdafor norris]

I miss this:

Jokinen and Luongo memes, the "outhouse" thread, the Thrashers HF boards fan draft (sorry to the former Thrashers fans that got drafted by the Leafs and Oilers) and that thread talking about the Thrashers logo was seriously peak HF.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Nathan Horton was the best player who OJ played with at his prime.
That should say a lot, Horton was a good player but...never was a star player thou.

Horton had such promise, it will always suck what ended up happening

 

[Shinjuku Calling]

criminally underrated because of how goofy looking he was.